Re: INCI names for milk powders

[Guest guest]

I can't answer your question about Canadian/American INCIs, but many of the

INCIs on the Oshun site are not EU INCIs. Illogically, European and US INCIs

are often quite different, but both are called INCI. Puts a whole new

meaning on the " International " bit...

Rose

The London Soap Company

In a message dated 15/3/02 11:20:21 pm, Cosmeticinfo writes:

<< Yes....I do. But, in an effort to find the answer myself, I went to the

Oshun site page for INCI names. On their site, the entry says " Milk

(cow's fresh or dried) INCI - " Lac " . I wonder why? It does *not* say EU

name. I am under the impression that North America (not just the US)

uses INCI names (this according to the Oshun site). Does Canada use EU,

and are all the names on their list EU names and not INCI names (as they

say they are)?

>>

[Guest guest]

>What are the INCI names for the various milk powders? I have whole milk

>powder, goat's milk powder, and buttermilk powder. I know that the INCI

>name for milk is " Lac " , so would I list goat's milk powder as Goat's Lac

>Powder???

Dorothy, don't you live in the US? If you live in the EU, Lac is a

valid name for Milk. In the USA, the INCI name for milk is Milk. The

INCI name for Powdered Skim Milk is Nonfat Dry Milk.

The INCI name for Buttermilk Powder is Buttermilk Powder.

The INCI name for Goat Milk is Goat Milk. There was not listing in my

INCI dictionary for Goat Milk Powder. I thinl using Goat Milk Powder

as an INCI name would be satifactory, given the other nomenclature

used.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

[Guest guest]

> What are the INCI names for the various milk powders? I have whole milk

> powder, goat's milk powder, and buttermilk powder. I know that the INCI

> name for milk is " Lac " , so would I list goat's milk powder as Goat's Lac

> Powder???

Dorothy, Goat Milk was discussed in-depth earlier this month. If you check

the archives I believe you will find what you are looking for.

Pat.

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[Guest guest]

" Maurice O. Hevey " wrote:

> Dorothy, don't you live in the US? If you live in the EU, Lac is a

> valid name for Milk. In the USA, the INCI name for milk is Milk. The

> INCI name for Powdered Skim Milk is Nonfat Dry Milk.

Yes....I do. But, in an effort to find the answer myself, I went to the

Oshun site page for INCI names. On their site, the entry says " Milk

(cow's fresh or dried) INCI - " Lac " . I wonder why? It does *not* say EU

name. I am under the impression that North America (not just the US)

uses INCI names (this according to the Oshun site). Does Canada use EU,

and are all the names on their list EU names and not INCI names (as they

say they are)?

I'm glad I asked here. Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI

names on the web?

Thank you for clearing this up!

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> I'm glad I asked here. Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI

> names on the web?

Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I

am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be

applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. If my memory

serves me correctly there once was talk of the US adopting the EU

nomenclature for those chemicals that we differ on. If this is/was the case

then I assume Sherri was saving herself some time by not having to do it

again. Then again, she will probably address this herself as she is a valued

member of this list. Personally, I am grateful to have such a resource.

Pat.

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[Guest guest]

Aqua and Lac are called EU trivial names. The following is a quote

from the International Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary and Handbook,

Eighth Edition:

" In the EU, " trivial " names are listed in the EU Cosmetic Ingredient

Inventory. These names represent common names that should be easily

recognized by consumers in the EU where eleven different languages are

spoken. The trivial names are based primarily on designations taken

from the European Pharmacopoeia. Examples of such INCI labeling names

harmonized for the U.S. and EU markets are shown below:

* Water (Aqua)

* Beeswax (Cera Alba)

* Sea Salt (Maris Sal)

EU Trivial Name Functions

Functions for EU trivial names can be found in the EU Cosmetic

Ingredient Inventory, 1996. A trivial name may have differing functions

dependent on the ingredient preparation. To prevent confusion, the

functions for the trivial names are not listed in the Dictionary. "

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

[Guest guest]

If you say that the Oshun list is the most complete and reliable then I

certainly will continue to use it. I didn't mean to insult Sherri and I

apologize if it sounded that way - I just know so very little that it is

impossible for me to discern (at this point) what sources of information

are reliable and which are not. I guess that it was just coincidence

that the first and only time I used the list to look up an INCI name the

one I looked up was listed incorrectly (for my purposes).

As you know, I'm not selling anything (only giving away to family and

friends) the soaps and toiletries that I make. Almost all of the dry

ingredients that I buy are shipped in plastic bags, which are difficult

to store. So, I bought a bunch of large plastic jars to repackage all

these dry ingredients. While I was making the labels for the jars, it

occurred to me that I should label each jar with the common name AND the

INCI name of the contents- that way, I would learn (over time) the

correct INCI names for the ingredients I use most frequently.

Dorothy

Pat McDonnell wrote:

>

> Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I

> am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be

> applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. <snip> Personally,

I am grateful to have such a resource.

>

> Pat.

[Guest guest]

>Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI

>names on the web?

The only other one I know of is all EU nomenclature. Of course you can go

to Amazon and buy the dictionary yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1882621220/avsearch-bkasin-20/104-8387440\

-5879124

As it states at the top of our INCI translator page, it hasn't been updated

in well over a year. Some of the names I was given have since proved to be

incorrect or EU versions, these will be corrected when I update the

translator in a month or so.

Warmly,

Sherri

Oshun - Your Wholesale Source for Quality Cosmetic Ingredients & Packaging

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[Guest guest]

>Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I

>am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be

....slapped with wet noodle for not keeping it up to date? LOL! Thanks, Pat.

It is a lot of work that I just haven't had time to get to as yet. It is a

project that is now second on my priority list for extra work. I've just

got a notebook pc and will be networking it with my main pc in the next

couple of days so that I can work at night on these extra projects and the

web site. I hope to get to updating the INCI translator within a month. My

goal is simply to have a common/chemical name to 8th edition INCI

translator for all the cosmetic ingredients we carry, as well as many

others commonly used by small manufacturers. I'm not aware of what the

plans are for harmonizing NA and EU INCI names currently, I was simply

given incorrect information on those milk names back when I first created

the translator. They will be corrected when I update the page.

Warmly,

Sherri

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[Guest guest]

Sure can! Thanks for keeping me from having to spend that money! Your

chart is a great resource.

Jen

> Of course you can go

> to Amazon and buy the dictionary yourself:

>

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1882621220/avsearch-bkasin-20/104-838

7440-5879124

[Guest guest]

I second this, and in addition, since the EU INCI simply lacks

straightforward listings for many, many label ingredients used by

handmade soapmakers (we have no INCIs for saponified sunflower oil,

cocoa butter etc etc. The 'missing' list is larger than the one's that

are present!), I have it bookmarked as an exemplar for how our listing

should read when we finally get the legislators to recognise us as

part of the mainstream industry!

Rose

The London Soap Company

>

> Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As

far as I

> am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to

be

> applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. If my

memory

> serves me correctly there once was talk of the US adopting the EU

> nomenclature for those chemicals that we differ on. If this is/was

the case

> then I assume Sherri was saving herself some time by not having to

do it

> again. Then again, she will probably address this herself as she is

a valued

> member of this list. Personally, I am grateful to have such a

resource.

>

> Pat.

>

> Peace, Joy, Serenity

> House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles,

Soap, Etc.

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