Re: Steve/Andy/lovetheworkofbk/Janet

[Guest guest]

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I've heard/read that people who have suffered severe accidents and

spend time in the intensive care unit many times do not remember this

period of time, so it's like the ego mind is " protecting " the self

from the trauma (maybe these are so called " suppressed memories " ).

*****I've heard this said about childbirth. Being male, I wouldn't

know, firsthand, but the comment I've heard on occasion is that if

memory were accurate, women would give birth only once. :-)))

From a personal place, in April I underwent a three-week hospital

stay enduring high-dose chemotherapy and a stem-cell transplant the

last two weeks of which were really quite miserable. Those days,

only three months past, are even now shrouded in a mosaic of vague

and nostalgic memories, the misery of them now light, airy thoughts

and not an intense feeling of reality.

I've often noticed that the memory of dreams is identical to the

memory of " real " events. How does one differentiate the two? This

is one piece of the " puzzle " that led me to conclude it's all

happening in thought, that there is no " real " " external " world " out

there. " And yet, that recognition has not elevated me from on-goings

of " everyday life. " (Perhaps it never will; perhaps it never does?)

Days are filled with " chopping wood and carrying water, " with feeling

feelings, both the pleasant and unpleasant, with paying the bills and

cooking the meals.

Curiously, there are moments when some part of me yearns for a state

of ALWAYS feeling good (comfort, security, " pleasant " feelings both

physical and emotional). But I wonder: if that were always the state

of affairs, without surcease, how could the organism *know* the

pleasure in it? Would it not be like a thirsty fish swimming in a

pond?

About your comments, Janet, regarding mental illness and the ability

to heal it......I just don't know. I don't think I'm mentally well

enough to offer any intelligent understanding of the phenomena. :-))))

[Guest guest]

> *****I've heard this said about childbirth. Being male, I wouldn't

> know, firsthand, but the comment I've heard on occasion is that if

> memory were accurate, women would give birth only once. :-)))

My first thought was: the pain the child goes through. If we

remebered *that* one, we would be born only once! ;-)

***** Beckett, the late Irish poet/novelist/dramatist, was

quoted as saying that he remembered the moments of his birth.

Perhaps that explains the type of material he wrote, the most famous

of which was " Waiting for Godot. "

Probaby, for those believing in rebirth that goes for the memory of

the pain in life, too?

*****Well, this is where we part company. There is no sense here

that there is an abiding " soul " or " spirit " or whatever that persists

from lifetime to lifetime. There is simply Energy (or God or

Consciousness, Totality...). It takes form and it takes other

forms. Imagine All There Is being sand, like one finds at the

beach. A small, beautiful sandcastle is built. That is you.

Another one is constructed, that is me. Both castles are smooshed

into the sand from which they arose. The sand (God) remains. The

castle, that bodymind entity with which we identified, is no more, as

a conceptual entity. Of course that which constituted the castle,

the sand, is always there. So there is no entity to be reborn. The

sand, which always was, always is. It simply takes on other forms.

So one might say that some...thing is reborn, but it is not the

actual entity; it is That which is the formlessness from which the

previous entity was constructed.

Now I recognize that this is a belief and it has as much or as little

validity (read " truth " ) as any other. It is one that persists in

thought, here. That is all. And there is an irresistable impulse to

share it. So that is done. That is all.

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

> > *****I've heard this said about childbirth.  Being male, I wouldn't

> > know, firsthand, but the comment I've heard on occasion is that if

> > memory were accurate, women would give birth only once. :-)))

> My first thought was: the pain the child goes through.  If we

> remebered *that* one, we would be born only once! ;-)

> ***** Beckett, the late Irish poet/novelist/dramatist, was

> quoted as saying that he remembered the moments of his birth. 

> Perhaps that explains the type of material he wrote, the most famous

> of which was " Waiting for Godot. "

*lol* are we getting a bit offtopic?

> Probaby, for those believing in rebirth that goes for the memory of

> the pain in life, too?

>

> *****Well, this is where we part company.

God Forbid! ;-)

> There is no sense here

> that there is an abiding " soul " or " spirit " or whatever that persists

> from lifetime to lifetime.  There is simply Energy (or God or

> Consciousness, Totality...).  It takes form and it takes other

> forms.  Imagine All There Is being sand, like one finds at the

> beach.  A small, beautiful sandcastle is built.  That is you. 

> Another one is constructed, that is me.  Both castles are smooshed

> into the sand from which they arose.

…and we merge! No separation!

> The sand (God) remains.  The

> castle, that bodymind entity with which we identified, is no more, as

> a conceptual entity.  Of course that which constituted the castle,

> the sand, is always there.  So there is no entity to be reborn.  The

> sand, which always was, always is.  It simply takes on other forms. 

> So one might say that some...thing is reborn, but it is not the

> actual entity; it is That which is the formlessness from which the

> previous entity was constructed.

>

> Now I recognize that this is a belief and it has as much or as little

> validity (read " truth " ) as any other.  It is one that persists in

> thought, here.  That is all.  And there is an irresistable impulse to

> share it.  So that is done.  That is all.

Great!

And I have been told that for some people rebirth is a useful concept.

Could be true?

[Guest guest]

> There is no sense here that there is an abiding " soul " or " spirit "

> or whatever that persists from lifetime to lifetime. There is

> simply Energy (or God or Consciousness, Totality...). It takes

> form and it takes other forms. Imagine All There Is being sand,

> like one finds at the beach. A small, beautiful sandcastle is

> built. That is you. Another one is constructed, that is me. Both

> castles are smooshed into the sand from which they arose.

> …and we merge! No separation! The sand (God) remains. The

> castle, that bodymind entity with which we identified, is no more,

> as a conceptual entity. Of course that which constituted the

> castle, the sand, is always there. So there is no entity to be

> reborn. The sand, which always was, always is. It simply takes on

> other forms. So one might say that some...thing is reborn, but it

> is not the actual entity; it is That which is the formlessness from

> which the previous entity was constructed.

> Now I recognize that this is a belief and it has as much or as

> little validity (read " truth " ) as any other. It is one that

> persists in thought, here. That is all. And there is an

> irresistable impulse to share it. So that is done. That is all.

Great!

And I have been told that for some people rebirth is a useful concept.

Could be true?

*****Sure. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination. That is what

phenomenality is about as far as I can see. The world we each see,

inhabit, move within, is created just for us, individually. There

isn't " one world " : there is one per localized consciousness. How

else to explain the multifaceted experience of Life? And at the same

time, the Total Architecture which unites the billions of worlds, the

Source from which the billions of worlds arises, is sufficiently

congruent that utter chaos does not reign.