Re: Re: Testing to determine medical treatment - was: CIH Bashing & Ethics

August 18, 2011

Jack,

You are demonstrating over and over to me that it is YOU who does not understand what is occurring when it comes to chemical sensitivities. You see many individuals with chemical sensitivities and then made up the name chronic inflammatory response syndrome because you still haven't realized that the reaction is triggered by a neural receptor mechanism created by the adaptive immune system. It is obvious when you spend any amount of time with people who react to low levels of volatile chemicals

August 18, 2011

Steve: I am tired of this constant posting by you. I am sure others are too.

I have a web site. My CV is on the web site. I have published peer reviewed

papers on the subject of chemical intolerance since approximately 1988. The

chemical exposure have involved insecticides, formaldehyde, Gulf War

Veterans, water-damaged buildings, hydrogen sulfide, to mention a few.

Individuals with chemical intolerance have immune alterations, evidence of

immune activation and immune suppression, evidence of multiple

autantibodies, elevated C3a and C4a split complements, often if not always,

polymorphism in detoxification pathways phases I and II, and HLA

polymorphism, to name a few. They also have macrophages and microglia

(macrophages of the nervous system) shifted towards the chronic production

of pro-inflammatory cytokines and other mediators that are abnormal with

exposures to a variety of toxins, including formaldehyde, pesticides, VOCs

such as perfumes, organic solvents, as well as and probably MVOCs. It is the

toxicity of the pro-inflammatory cytokines that is causing the symptoms of

people with chemical intolerance, including those exposed to mold and

bacteria (and by-products) in water damaged indoor environments. Also, there

is considerable information on this type of injury at the National Toxic

Encephalopathy Foundation.

Jack Dwayne Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

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Lee Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

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Testing to determine medical treatment - was: CIH

> Bashing & Ethics

>

> > In a message dated 8/15/2011 8:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > snk1955@... writes:

> >> IF there are contaminants in building that determine what kind of

> >> treatment is required, then testing can be of the utmost importance.

> >

> > I would like to see a list of environmental contaminants that would

> > determine what kind of medical treatment is required. Apart from

> > testing

> > the

> > affected individual to determine the most effective treatment of

> > infections with

> > antibiotics or anti-fungals, what can environmental testing tell a

> > doctor

> > about proper " treatment " ? I know of no curative treatment for acquired

> > hypersensitivity reactions. My clients have reported that they have

> > tried

> > all

> > sorts of " treatments " , including cognitive therapy.

> >

> > People get better when they learn which contaminants they must avoid,

> > and

> > then stay away from them. People with sensitivities learn their own

> > coping

> > strategies when they do get exposed to a triggering agent and cope

> > better.

> > I

> > am not aware of any treatment that addresses the acquired neural

> > receptor

> > mechanism. Dr. Rea is attempting desensitization treatments that have

> > been

> > reported to work in some cases. This does not cure the sensitivity any

> > more

> > than allergy shots cure someone of allergies. The desensitization

> > effect

> > " wears off " .

> >

> > Arnold Mann's book, " They're poisoning us... " illustrates through his

> > investigative reporting how those who become sensitized stay sensitized

> > (Gulf War

> > vets, oil spill cleanup workers, EPA building workers, Southwest Airline

> > sick building workers, etc.). They learn to avoid exposures and live

> > with

> > the

> > sensitivity.

> >

> >>

> >> I guess it boils down to first having to determine what one wants to

> >> know

> >> from testing, before they can decide if, where and when to test.

> >

> > Right. Sampling is a tool. If you do not design a sampling strategy

> > that

> > permits you to draw a conclusion when you get the results, you probably

> > should not be sampling.

> >

> > Steve Temes

> >

>

August 18, 2011

I am tired of this constant posting by you.

Same here. I am only trying to quell the misinformation and fear mongering, and get to the science underlying the real causes of building-related illness.

So, I'll stop the constant posting if you do.

Steve Temes

BTW, the post below was written by someone who knows about chemical sensitivities, but it was not written by me. It was written by another Steve on this list -- Steve Chalmers. He is the one who wrote the following, not me:

Dr. Thrasher,

With all due respect, acknowledging the importance of science evolving the

knowledge of mankind in a systematic, thoroughly examined way before

reaching consensus, and the role of reputable peer reviewed literature in

that process:

The process described below is inconsistent with what has been happening in

my body for the last 16 years, since the sick house incident which gave me

(and my family) what I self diagnose as MCS. My experience is much more

consistent with nanogram levels of contaminants from the environment

reaching my bloodstream, and from there directly modulating one or more

aspects of my nervous system. There is no immune mediation. I concluded 15

years ago that the basic science behind both the practice of medicine, and

the related research, said that what was happening to me was impossible.

Hence my belief that today's science is an approximation as irrelevant to

what is going on in my body as the science of Pasteur's day was to

contagious disease.

I'm just one of Pasteur's millions.

Best Regards,

Steve Chalmers

stevec@...

And your response to Steve C. was, "I completely understand what has happened to you." Really?