Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Hi All, I'm new to this group and planning to buy a Bullworker asap. Does this really work? When I was 16 in the 70s I bought a tensolator (Bullworkers previous name, for those who don't know). Worked out with it for weight loss and toning for about 6 months and then put it away. The strength I gained then was incredible. A year later after a mud football game my buddies and I went to hang out at a jocks house. They started to work out with weights to demonstrate their superior strength over us slackers. They were amazed and surprised when I was able to surpass their best effort. Never picked it up again though and gave it away. To this day, some 34 years later the strength aquired then is the foundation of my phyisique today. Now that I'm fat and old , its time to pick it up again to strengthen my body for the coming years. I also plan to buy one for each of my nephews. IT WORKS! IT WORKS VERY WELL! I can't wait to get started. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Zoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Zoo,that was the best Bullworker story to date...Mark.(Dawk) Re: Bullworker: Is it Effective, or is it a just Gimmick??? > > > > Hi All, > I'm new to this group and planning to buy a Bullworker asap. Does > this really work? When I was 16 in the 70s I bought a tensolator > (Bullworkers previous name, for those who don't know). Worked out > with it for weight loss and toning for about 6 months and then put it > away. The strength I gained then was incredible. A year later after > a mud football game my buddies and I went to hang out at a jocks > house. They started to work out with weights to demonstrate their > superior strength over us slackers. They were amazed and surprised > when I was able to surpass their best effort. > Never picked it up again though and gave it away. To this day, some > 34 years later the strength aquired then is the foundation of my > phyisique today. Now that I'm fat and old , its time to pick it up > again to strengthen my body for the coming years. I also plan to buy > one for each of my nephews. IT WORKS! IT WORKS VERY WELL! > I can't wait to get started. Looking forward to getting to know you > all. > Zoo > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Not to start anything but let's be realistic- something done for 6 months is just not going to have results that have lasted for 34 years. "Use it or lose it" is how the saying goes. Dave Re: Bullworker: Is it Effective, or is it a justGimmick???>>>> Hi All,> I'm new to this group and planning to buy a Bullworker asap. Does> this really work? When I was 16 in the 70s I bought a tensolator> (Bullworkers previous name, for those who don't know). Worked out> with it for weight loss and toning for about 6 months and then put it> away. The strength I gained then was incredible. A year later after> a mud football game my buddies and I went to hang out at a jocks> house. They started to work out with weights to demonstrate their> superior strength over us slackers. They were amazed and surprised> when I was able to surpass their best effort.> Never picked it up again though and gave it away. To this day, some> 34 years later the strength aquired then is the foundation of my> phyisique today. Now that I'm fat and old , its time to pick it up> again to strengthen my body for the coming years. I also plan to buy> one for each of my nephews. IT WORKS! IT WORKS VERY WELL!> I can't wait to get started. Looking forward to getting to know you> all.> Zoo>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 > > My " endorsement " of the Bullworker means about as much as yours for > the Power Block, ie, nothing. Just like there is research on the > effetiveness of weight training, there is research on the use of > isometrics. No, there is EVIDENCE on the effective of weight training. There is RESEARCH on the use of isometrics. > The particular tool, ie Bullworker or Power Block would > be used to either train with weights or using isometrics. > Simply put, the Bullwork " can be " effective when used properly. The > same could be said for Power Blocks, they " can be " effective when > used properly. Weight training (ex: PowerBlocks) IS ALWAYS effective when used properly. As a matter of fact, weight training can be effective when used improperly, too! However, there's lots of people (many of them on this list) that will tell you that the bullworker can be ineffective when used properly. But I've seen no effective evidence that the Bullworker can be consistantly effective. > Is that " rigorous " enough for you? For bullshit, yes, that's vigourous. You're attempting to equate weight training and isometrics. History has clearly shown weight training is effective. > BTW- I have no need to market the Bullworker. I have one, I have > Power Blocks and I have a Bowflex. It sounds like the bullworker is not effective for you? > > It is all good. > > PS- the burn makes you feel good but has little to do with strength > acquisition. In fact, you could argue it is counterproductive. Now you're being evasive. Look, I really don't want to start anything here, but isn't it silly trying to equate the proven effectiveness of weight training with a gimmick like bullworker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 > No, there is EVIDENCE on the effective of weight training. There is > RESEARCH on the use of isometrics. There is research that substantiates that the Bullworker is effective in a lot of ways, not the least of which is the ability to do exercises that weights simply cannot do. Put those dumbells behind your back and squeeze..... > Look, I really don't want to start anything here, but isn't it silly > trying to equate the proven effectiveness of weight training with a > gimmick like bullworker? A gimmick? Ok, a gimmick like the total gym, or the bowflex, or soloflex, or bandflex, or anything else that has come along and given better results in a shorter period of time? A gimmick that doesn't require a spotter? I'll bet you even hate machine weights too, and I have a Weider home gym, which I could max out after working with the bullworker for a few months. So there are strength gains that either alone won't give. My best advice. Bullworker, and/or cardio or some fight training, like Taebo or something similar. You do not have to be big to look good. and you do not have to be big to be strong. Stronger is better than bigger. A bullworker, used correctly, will help to make you strong. It has less joint impact. Less chance of injury. I keep picturing steel monkeys walking around with buckets of concrete, telling you to overtrain, how to eat, how to think, who to worship???? If you want to be big like them, that is. And I keep seeing guys in their 40's, gurus of the bodybuilding world, who collapse and die for no reasons that are ever publicly explained. In wieght training, drug abuse is more rampant than it is on the street. There are more people doing steroids than shooting heroin and smoking crack. People are sacrificing their lives to be big. Yeah, big and strong, but weak minded when it comes to making the right choices in life. Stick with your bullworker training and add something cardio. It could be stepper, or taebo, or any other type of training. Or even sports, like basketball, or something that keeps you moving. You will be in much better shape in the long run. Special Forces troops aren't huge, but no one gives them crap. Martial artists do not look like Arnold, but they can take care of themselves, and their BMI and blood work probably look better than anyone else you may know. You will alsso develop a will of iron, and not be afraid to stand up for your beliefs. God knows I'm not. Weight training is ok. Adverse effects if you ever stop. Bullworker? They tell you to take some time off. You come back better. And do cardio. Max cardio. Forget bulk. Cardio is where you will really see improvement in everything. Ask a weightlifter to go jogging. Ask a weightlifter to miss a meal. Who needs enslavement to iron routines? Cardio ups your metabolism as well. But your body does less at rest. So it is resting. Remember, muscle mass means your body has to work harder, even at rest. Most guys promote the fat burning capabilities. But only if you keep lifting. Stop, and your gains disappear in a short time. But that extra weight you packed on doesn't. No wonder this guy doesn't believe that the bullworker used properly stays with you. You teach your body something that it doesn't unlearn. If you want to push weights, go to misc fitness.weights, or something similar. If you talk that pwerbock crap here, expect to get flamed. And with good reason. Stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Forgive me but this argument is becoming rather purile and silly. As both a very keen weight trainer of 33 years and a user of the Bullworker perhaps I can add some sensible comments. Is the original " poster " merely trying to devalue the effectiveness of the Bullworker and to what end? To prove what? If you don't like it, think it's trash, then go elsewhere for your training, it is a free world and your choice. There is a lot of evidence in support of weight training, similarly the case for isometrics has been exhaustively researched. The latter was started during the war to help bed ridden casualties regain muscle strength and yes, it did work. It also works for my fellow martial artists who have strength disproportionate to the size of others, who are just weight trainers. I use both methods and I find it does add strength, it is eminently portable and it trains every body part. A bargain in every way methinks! In addition it can be used for CV work whilst away on business or pleasure. The " burn " you allude to is merely the effect of lactic acid accumulating in the muscles and is normally found in aerobics training, more as general fatigue in strength training. Overload a muscle, rest it and it will build. Many weight trainers go for " to failure " reps on the last one, exactly what a bullworker gives you by making you push or pull to the limit, such that you can't move it any more. There are many books available on both methods and I wont bore you with the titles but I feel a more educated debate on the subject of both methods would be more helpful to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 As I read these emails going back and forth, I think the bottom line is there are pros and cons to all forms of exercise. Are isometrics and isotonics gimmicks? I would think that any exercise is better than no exercise. How many people here really bought a Bullworker thinking it provided the most effective form of exercise possible bar none? Even if the Bullworker does not provide the most effective form of exercise, it is amazingly convenient to use and store, to carry on travel, and yet allows one to perform an amazing variety of exercises for muscles that simply could not be reached without expensive, very focused professional gym equipment. And the thing lasts forever and still costs only $100. It was so perfectly conceived, that it almost hasn't changed in 40 years. What other home exercise device has done that except for free weights? That makes this machine incredible. We are here, in this club, because it is an amazing invention and we admire that and hope it will work for us. We should use this forum to discuss what we find does work and to compare experiences to use this device successfully. We can be the ones who determine just what this type of exercise will do for the human body. 6079 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Lets try to keep this simple. Isotonics and isometrics. Both will help develop certain phyical qualities, strength, endurance etc. Power Blocks and Bullworker, both devices that train the body via isotonics and isometrics (largely by providing resistance). So, I know from experience that both devices can be used to provide specific resistance. They both " work " ! In fact, Power Blocks are much more limited in their effectiveness, since at some point you grow too strong to make much use of them for further strenght development. You stagnate. Not an issue with Bullworker. Sorry but frankly, your grasp of exercise science is primative at best! But if you don't like the BW, don't use it. > > > > My " endorsement " of the Bullworker means about as much as yours for > > the Power Block, ie, nothing. Just like there is research on the > > effetiveness of weight training, there is research on the use of > > isometrics. > > No, there is EVIDENCE on the effective of weight training. There is > RESEARCH on the use of isometrics. > > > > The particular tool, ie Bullworker or Power Block would > > be used to either train with weights or using isometrics. > > > > Simply put, the Bullwork " can be " effective when used properly. The > > same could be said for Power Blocks, they " can be " effective when > > used properly. > > Weight training (ex: PowerBlocks) IS ALWAYS effective when used > properly. As a matter of fact, weight training can be effective when > used improperly, too! > > However, there's lots of people (many of them on this list) that will > tell you that the bullworker can be ineffective when used properly. > > But I've seen no effective evidence that the Bullworker can be > consistantly effective. > > > Is that " rigorous " enough for you? > > For bullshit, yes, that's vigourous. > > You're attempting to equate weight training and isometrics. History > has clearly shown weight training is effective. > > > BTW- I have no need to market the Bullworker. I have one, I have > > Power Blocks and I have a Bowflex. > > It sounds like the bullworker is not effective for you? > > > > > It is all good. > > > > PS- the burn makes you feel good but has little to do with strength > > acquisition. In fact, you could argue it is counterproductive. > > Now you're being evasive. > > Look, I really don't want to start anything here, but isn't it silly > trying to equate the proven effectiveness of weight training with a > gimmick like bullworker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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