Re: No one have ever hurt anyone but themeselves - is it true?

[Guest guest]

> " Is the baby´s suffering its own resposibility? " Perhaps a better

> question would be how can I be sure a baby is suffering. I can never

> know what anyone is feeling I only know the story I am believing

> about what they feel. And of course the baby's suffering can only be

> caused because it believes thoughts which are not true. The very fact

> that the baby believes the thought that they are a baby and not love

> is the primary cause of endless suffering.

Let's be careful not to depart from reality as we do the Work.

One reason to chose a baby to illustrate what the Work is because a baby is=

completely real. Babies do not engage in guile, in pretense, in self-

justification or in self-deception.

We know the baby is in distress because the baby cries. That is reality.

Your example, zenbear, is so far from reality that it is crazy-making. It w=

ill drive

those who believe it insane. If you cannot trust your own inner feelings,

physical and emotional, then there is nothing you can trust. The Work helps=

us examine them for truth, yes. And truth is what we are supposed to find. =

[Guest guest]

> It might be useful to distinguish between pain and suffering. Pain is

> just a sensation generated by the body. Suffering is caused by the

> stories we add to that basic sensation.

Okay, Zenbear, this makes a lot more sense than your last post. Yes, we do

have pain. That is truth. We increase our suffering by adding false stories to

it.

That is truth as well.

As an aside, has anyone read " The Assault? " When I told my daughter about

The Work, she told me about this story. It takes place in Nazi Poland, I

believe,

and is about the incredible sufferings of one boy. His family is murdered, his

house burned, and so on, because someone had left the body of a Nazi

informer in front of his house. And the end, he found out the real story of why

that happened, and it changed his understanding of everything.

[Guest guest]

Thank you !

And thanks to all the others who has responded to my question. Some

of the things you have been writing I don´t understand, believe or

agree with. But one thing you all helped me to discover is that I

really, really don´t know. Some of you seem to be so dedicated to

this. Whatever anyone here in the group says you have an

explaination or an answer to it that sounds just like something you

could have read in ´s book. Isn´t there anything you don´t

know? Or is it just how you become when you have been doing the work

long enough? Please God, don´t let me ever believe I know

everything. I like to say " I don´t know " sometimes. Is it true that

no one have ever hurt anyone but themselves? I don´t know!

> > " Is the baby´s suffering its own resposibility? " Perhaps a

better

> > question would be how can I be sure a baby is suffering. I can

never

> > know what anyone is feeling I only know the story I am believing

> > about what they feel. And of course the baby's suffering can

only be

> > caused because it believes thoughts which are not true. The very

fact

> > that the baby believes the thought that they are a baby and not

love

> > is the primary cause of endless suffering.

>

> Let's be careful not to depart from reality as we do the Work.

>

> One reason to chose a baby to illustrate what the Work is because

a baby is=

>

> completely real. Babies do not engage in guile, in pretense, in

self-

> justification or in self-deception.

>

> We know the baby is in distress because the baby cries. That is

reality.

>

> Your example, zenbear, is so far from reality that it is crazy-

making. It w=

> ill drive

> those who believe it insane. If you cannot trust your own inner

feelings,

> physical and emotional, then there is nothing you can trust. The

Work helps=

>

> us examine them for truth, yes. And truth is what we are supposed

to find. =

>

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