Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Grant, welcome to the group, and I look forward to hearing more from you, as I am sure others on the list will also. God bless, Sharon(moderator) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Dynamic Tension can be found at: www.charlesatlas.com Visit the message board,and you can join free,Great place to ask and learn,also share your experiences. I do three chair push-ups,two chairs 24" apart(this works entire upper body,except biceps),feet on third chair. I do the crunches and squats,and a few other chest exercises found in," Atlas,10 Steps To A Better Body",an introductionto the complete Dynamic Tension course(at and Noble for $15.00,well worth it)..Also,a few exercises found in the complete course.Then,I finish up with Bullworker,and try to get a walk in.Then,warm shower follwed by cold shower.This works great for me,with the varity of Bullworker exercises and DT. RichBob Armstrong wrote: Hi ,Would you please post your Dynamic Tension exercises?TIA,Bob Armstrong--- richard pancoast wrote:> I,personally,have gained muscle mass from just using> Bullworker alone.You can build a> lean,powerful,muscular body just using> Bullworker.Today,I do Dynamic Tension along with> Bullworker,they compliment each other nicely.But,to> each his or her own.Some of you may prefer> weights,or,as in recent> post,kettlebells,or,bodyweight exercises,along with> Bullworker.Whatever works for you..Fact> is,though,Bullworker DOES build muscle if given an> honest chance.And,it's a great,quick workout when> you haven't always the time for weights,etc.Just> remember to do some walking,jogging,or other aerobic> exercise,along with whatever else you do.> rrbelloff wrote:> Well, you continue to use attack versus logic. What> else is new?> > You were the one that indicated that lower body> involvment was > necessary to add muscular mass. I simply pointed out> that it was > possible without such. Of course, one should> exercise their legs > and I agreed that the BW is not great for leg> exercises. There are > ways to work your leg muscles isometrically and much> of the iso > research is conducted using leg contractions.> > However, the issue that got us started was whether> using the BW and > isometrics can add muscular mass. Research says that> it can, you say > that it can't.> > So, we must believe you over research?> > As I have said repeatedly and which you continue to> ignore is that > most exercise systems can and will add muscle mass> when employed > correctly. I have no issue with weights nor> bodyweight exercises, I > have and do employ them from time to time.> > However, my personal experience and research> indicates that muscle > mass can be added by using isometric contraction,> AND that it is > from a time employed perspective, a superior> exercise method vs. > isotonic movements.> > So, attack away but everything I have said has been> researched to > death.> > Regarding my position as moderator, I suppose I> should have allowed > your insults to the British citizens to pass freely> to the folks on > this board. However, I was doing my job, pure and> simple.> > Thanks for sharing.> > > > > > > > > > > > In bullworkerclub , "Canadian> Combato" > <whammer@e...> wrote:> > You just don't make much sense, no?> > > > Of course someone can gain mass on their upper> body without > working their> > lower body- but those gains would come easier if> the larger muscle > masses> > (hips and thighs) are stimulated. It's well> documented that people > doing> > squat rountines have gained mass throughout their> body- perhaps > you need to> > do some reading, no?> > > > Odd you mention wheelchair athletes....did their> gains come from> > isometrics???> > Again if one wants to mirror success it only makes> sense to do > what those> > who are successful do.> > Those wheelchair athletes pump a lot of iron.> > > > Again I ask...please tell us your measurements,> tell us your > compressions> > numbers on the BW. Let us see what you have> accomplished.> > > > Making you a moderator on this forum has been a> mistake on Tony's > part. A> > little sense of power can make some people> egomaniacs.> > > > Dave> > Re: (unknown)> > > > > > Well of course, my "comments" have nothing to do> with this. I have> > simply stated what has been researched in the lab> and on the field.> > I have provided a place for you to go and get> educated on the> > effectivness of isometric contractions. You have> failed to do so> > and simply resorted to name calling, a trait which> you seem to be> > fairly good at it.> > > > Why don't you pick up a copy of the Supertraining> Book and check it> > out. A little education might help.> > > > > > Regarding my size and abilities, they are> irrelevant to our> > conversation, no? ly, if I were Athlete "A"> endorsing the BW> > or a weight set, what would that prove; well> nothing.> > > > The fact remains that one can ad muscle mass in a> variety of ways,> > all you need is place muscles under tension for a> period of time.> > > > Isometrics can do this as can weights, tubes,> springs, bodyweight> > etc etc.> > > > You can figure this out, can't you?> > > > Oh, and BTW, your statement about gaining mass and> working the hips> > and legs is frankly, wrong. You have seen> wheelchair athletes, no?> > Some have very very impressive mass in their upper> bodies. Hmmmm,> > how did they do that? Where is your research that> shows that > overall muscle> > mass is determined by working the hips and> legs?????> > > > > > Having said that, working the lower body with the> BW is difficult> > and one has to resort to other isometric actions> to do a good job> > there.> > > > BTW- I deleted your post insulting our British> friends. I was> > tempted to pass it on so that folks could see what> a child you> > really are but my judgement got the better of me.> > > > Try to grow up before you next post!> > > > > > > > > > > I think it is you who have revealed yourself.> > > You make comments like you are the final word> when it comes to> > physical> > > training and you accept no other viewpoint other> than your own.> > >> > > Please share with us your measurements and> abilities so that the> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 I forgot to add: Do two sets of as many reps as you can without straining.As they say,Train,don't strain!With Bw,I just do the regular 7 to 8 second hold on each exercise.Bw halps make you stronger so other exercises are easier. Bob Armstrong wrote: Hi ,Would you please post your Dynamic Tension exercises?TIA,Bob Armstrong--- richard pancoast wrote:> I,personally,have gained muscle mass from just using> Bullworker alone.You can build a> lean,powerful,muscular body just using> Bullworker.Today,I do Dynamic Tension along with> Bullworker,they compliment each other nicely.But,to> each his or her own.Some of you may prefer> weights,or,as in recent> post,kettlebells,or,bodyweight exercises,along with> Bullworker.Whatever works for you..Fact> is,though,Bullworker DOES build muscle if given an> honest chance.And,it's a great,quick workout when> you haven't always the time for weights,etc.Just> remember to do some walking,jogging,or other aerobic> exercise,along with whatever else you do.> rrbelloff wrote:> Well, you continue to use attack versus logic. What> else is new?> > You were the one that indicated that lower body> involvment was > necessary to add muscular mass. I simply pointed out> that it was > possible without such. Of course, one should> exercise their legs > and I agreed that the BW is not great for leg> exercises. There are > ways to work your leg muscles isometrically and much> of the iso > research is conducted using leg contractions.> > However, the issue that got us started was whether> using the BW and > isometrics can add muscular mass. Research says that> it can, you say > that it can't.> > So, we must believe you over research?> > As I have said repeatedly and which you continue to> ignore is that > most exercise systems can and will add muscle mass> when employed > correctly. I have no issue with weights nor> bodyweight exercises, I > have and do employ them from time to time.> > However, my personal experience and research> indicates that muscle > mass can be added by using isometric contraction,> AND that it is > from a time employed perspective, a superior> exercise method vs. > isotonic movements.> > So, attack away but everything I have said has been> researched to > death.> > Regarding my position as moderator, I suppose I> should have allowed > your insults to the British citizens to pass freely> to the folks on > this board. However, I was doing my job, pure and> simple.> > Thanks for sharing.> > > > > > > > > > > > In bullworkerclub , "Canadian> Combato" > <whammer@e...> wrote:> > You just don't make much sense, no?> > > > Of course someone can gain mass on their upper> body without > working their> > lower body- but those gains would come easier if> the larger muscle > masses> > (hips and thighs) are stimulated. It's well> documented that people > doing> > squat rountines have gained mass throughout their> body- perhaps > you need to> > do some reading, no?> > > > Odd you mention wheelchair athletes....did their> gains come from> > isometrics???> > Again if one wants to mirror success it only makes> sense to do > what those> > who are successful do.> > Those wheelchair athletes pump a lot of iron.> > > > Again I ask...please tell us your measurements,> tell us your > compressions> > numbers on the BW. Let us see what you have> accomplished.> > > > Making you a moderator on this forum has been a> mistake on Tony's > part. A> > little sense of power can make some people> egomaniacs.> > > > Dave> > Re: (unknown)> > > > > > Well of course, my "comments" have nothing to do> with this. I have> > simply stated what has been researched in the lab> and on the field.> > I have provided a place for you to go and get> educated on the> > effectivness of isometric contractions. You have> failed to do so> > and simply resorted to name calling, a trait which> you seem to be> > fairly good at it.> > > > Why don't you pick up a copy of the Supertraining> Book and check it> > out. A little education might help.> > > > > > Regarding my size and abilities, they are> irrelevant to our> > conversation, no? ly, if I were Athlete "A"> endorsing the BW> > or a weight set, what would that prove; well> nothing.> > > > The fact remains that one can ad muscle mass in a> variety of ways,> > all you need is place muscles under tension for a> period of time.> > > > Isometrics can do this as can weights, tubes,> springs, bodyweight> > etc etc.> > > > You can figure this out, can't you?> > > > Oh, and BTW, your statement about gaining mass and> working the hips> > and legs is frankly, wrong. You have seen> wheelchair athletes, no?> > Some have very very impressive mass in their upper> bodies. Hmmmm,> > how did they do that? Where is your research that> shows that > overall muscle> > mass is determined by working the hips and> legs?????> > > > > > Having said that, working the lower body with the> BW is difficult> > and one has to resort to other isometric actions> to do a good job> > there.> > > > BTW- I deleted your post insulting our British> friends. I was> > tempted to pass it on so that folks could see what> a child you> > really are but my judgement got the better of me.> > > > Try to grow up before you next post!> > > > > > > > > > > I think it is you who have revealed yourself.> > > You make comments like you are the final word> when it comes to> > physical> > > training and you accept no other viewpoint other> than your own.> > >> > > Please share with us your measurements and> abilities so that the> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 I didn't make any statement about the Brits- I made a comment about the person possibly being an American. This was after an insult spoken against Canadians- which you seemed to have no trouble allowing to be passed along to the group because it suited your needs. As for gaining muscle mass....let's use your own words: (This is taken from your post on June 23/05) " > Regarding the BW, it is a superior isometric device and isometric > exercise has been proven to be able to develop muscular strength, > resting tonus, and in some cases, muscular mass. " You use the words " and in some cases, muscular mass " . It would seem that it is not a given that muscle mass and isometrics go hand in hand. Since the whole reason we are on this topic is due to a question about gaining muscle mass using the BW, your above statement seems to answer that question quite well. But now you seem to be singing a different tune. Anyway, everyone needs to follow the course or path that they feel is best for them. - Dave Walmsley (unknown) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates devise,but > > the > > > > guy > > > > > who wrote > > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you > remember, > > > > was a > > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant > spring > > > > > inside two > > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were > > steel > > > > > cables > > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and > legs > > > > with a > > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by > pushing > > in > > > > on > > > > > either > > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by > watching > > a > > > > > plastic > > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest compression) > > or > > > > > you'd pull > > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the > spring) > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is > just > > as > > > > > good as a > > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more > talented > > > > > piece of > > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more > > > compact: > > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the > > > devise > > > > > he writes > > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he > claims > > > the > > > > > Bullworker > > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer exists. > > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > > > > > > >You can read the article at: goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > > > > > Circle.Never heard > > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 , I don't understand this post. You've copied word for word part of the inside front cover of the Bullworker 2 training booklet. It's also a bit misleading as it talks about having to lift very heavy weights for many tiring hours. This really isn't the case. When one reads these words you can easily see how BW is attempting to "brainwash" and appeal to the lazy sloth who hates exercise. They create the imagine of straining under huge weights for many hours and getting little result. They then tell you that with only a 7 second exercise you'll be bursting with new muscle. As for the BW also exercising internal organs....doesn't every exercise method do this? One really needs to be able to see through all the bullshit hype and selling tactics that those "selling" anything use. This BW booklet was what the company mailed out to you when you requested info on the BW. -Dave Walmsley (unknown) Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also strengthen internal organs. Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly reduced. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 I stand by my statement about isos adding muscle masses " in some cases. " Building Mass does not " go hand in hand " for ANY training methodology one employs. For example, in using weights as a training method, by varying my training technique I can add great amounts of strength with very little added muscle mass. Competitive weightlifters and wrestlers use this very method, as they want maximize their strength gains without having to go up a weight class etc. Likewise, gymanasts do the same thing. They want strength, not added mass. Body builders go the other way and have very different training techniques to add tons of mass. So too, in the use of isos, one can alter technique to maximize strength (using shorter contractions and longer rest period between contractions). If one wants to focus on mass, isos contractions are longer with shorter rest periods between sets. If you have investigated the research material I suggested, you would have come across this material. Information, it is a good thing! PS- I stand by the removal of your post. It was a good thing also. Hi ,I never > got > > > > hurt > > > > > > > >using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years > > > > ago,advocated > > > > > > by Dave > > > > > > > >Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a > > strait > > > > bar > > > > > > with two > > > > > > > >bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the > > middle.The > > > > > idea > > > > > > was to > > > > > > > >bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It > was > > > the > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > >princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one > of > > > the > > > > > > handles > > > > > > > >slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by > > > > > > > Foreman.The funny > > > > > > > >thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw > my > > > > > > freind,who owned > > > > > > > >one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a > > full > > > > > > linemans cage > > > > > > > >facemask while working out with this thing.I think it > was > > > > called > > > > > > the Power > > > > > > > >Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with > > safety > > > > > > straps on the 2 > > > > > > > >handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into > > > > > > oblivion.....any of you > > > > > > > >Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk. > > > > > > > > (unknown) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates > devise,but > > > the > > > > > guy > > > > > > who wrote > > > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you > > remember, > > > > > was a > > > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant > > spring > > > > > > inside two > > > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were > > > steel > > > > > > cables > > > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and > > legs > > > > > with a > > > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by > > pushing > > > in > > > > > on > > > > > > either > > > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by > > watching > > > a > > > > > > plastic > > > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest > compression) > > > or > > > > > > you'd pull > > > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the > > spring) > > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > > > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is > > just > > > as > > > > > > good as a > > > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more > > talented > > > > > > piece of > > > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more > > > > compact: > > > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the > > > > devise > > > > > > he writes > > > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he > > claims > > > > the > > > > > > Bullworker > > > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer > exists. > > > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > > > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > > > > > > > >You can read the article at: > goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > > > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > > > > > > Circle.Never heard > > > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 The material from most sellers of exercise equipment is largely hype and the BW booklet was no exception. Some of the statements are truly humerous. However, that does not negate the science behind isometrics and the BW, much as the garage often printed about weight training does not negate that weight training is indeed very sound. Perhaps we can lighten up about this topic now. The fact is that resistence exercise works and there are many many ways to skin a cat. The BW is one and a pretty cool one too! > , > > I don't understand this post. > You've copied word for word part of the inside front cover of the Bullworker 2 training booklet. > > It's also a bit misleading as it talks about having to lift very heavy weights for many tiring hours. This really isn't the case. > When one reads these words you can easily see how BW is attempting to " brainwash " and appeal to the lazy sloth who hates exercise. > They create the imagine of straining under huge weights for many hours and getting little result. They then tell you that with only a 7 second exercise you'll be bursting with new muscle. > > As for the BW also exercising internal organs....doesn't every exercise method do this? > One really needs to be able to see through all the bullshit hype and selling tactics that those " selling " anything use. This BW booklet was what the company mailed out to you when you requested info on the BW. > > -Dave Walmsley > (unknown) > > > Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also strengthen internal organs. > > Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly reduced. > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 let's put this argument to an end. look at gymnasts. what do they do? a combination of bodyweight movements and isometrics. If you don't think isometrics can build muscle mass, talk to a gymnast about what iron crosses did for their builds. Go read the forums at www.bronzebowpublishing.com and look at what some people have done there with isos, dvrs and such. one guy didn't chin for a month or so and just did the dvr chins and isos and when he went back to chin he more than doubled what he'd been doing before. of course, if you really think you are right, here is what you could do. order a bullworker. then follow the bullworker training daily for the next three months and don't do any weight lifting. Nothing but bullworker. then prove to us all and to yourself whether it is effective or not. (unknown) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates > devise,but >> > the >> > > > guy >> > > > > who wrote >> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you >> remember, >> > > > was a >> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant >> spring >> > > > > inside two >> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were >> > steel >> > > > > cables >> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and >> legs >> > > > with a >> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by >> pushing >> > in >> > > > on >> > > > > either >> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by >> watching >> > a >> > > > > plastic >> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest > compression) >> > or >> > > > > you'd pull >> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the >> spring) >> > > > using >> > > > > the >> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. >> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is >> just >> > as >> > > > > good as a >> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more >> talented >> > > > > piece of >> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more >> > > compact: >> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the >> > > devise >> > > > > he writes >> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he >> claims >> > > the >> > > > > Bullworker >> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer > exists. >> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. >> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... >> > > > > > >You can read the article at: > goinside.com/00/4/magic.html >> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic >> > > > > Circle.Never heard >> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------- >> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 As to the "lazy sloth who hates exercise",isn't Bullworker training better than nothing?And,doctor's for years have prescribed isometric exercises to certain patients.The U.S.Marine Corps has published isometric exercises for the Marines,as have the Army,etc..And,these exercises are about 7 seconds each in length.The Military can't afford to waste time on exercise programs that don't work. Yes,most exercises exercise internal organs,Bullworker was merely stating the fact that the Bullworker does just that.A selling point,maybe,but an important one. This club is for those who use or are concidering using the Bullworker.Bullworker does what it claims if given an honest chance.My nephew,years ago,had so many health problems,he could not run,had trouble walking,was very weak,etc.,his doctor actually put him on the Bullworker program (not just isometrics,he actually prescribed the Bullworker itself)to help improve his health.It woked. So,if Bullworker has "brainwashed" me,I'm all the better for it,as is my nephew,and thousands of other Bullworker users.. Canadian Combato wrote: , I don't understand this post. You've copied word for word part of the inside front cover of the Bullworker 2 training booklet. It's also a bit misleading as it talks about having to lift very heavy weights for many tiring hours. This really isn't the case. When one reads these words you can easily see how BW is attempting to "brainwash" and appeal to the lazy sloth who hates exercise. They create the imagine of straining under huge weights for many hours and getting little result. They then tell you that with only a 7 second exercise you'll be bursting with new muscle. As for the BW also exercising internal organs....doesn't every exercise method do this? One really needs to be able to see through all the bullshit hype and selling tactics that those "selling" anything use. This BW booklet was what the company mailed out to you when you requested info on the BW. -Dave Walmsley (unknown) Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also strengthen internal organs. Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly reduced. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 The lazy sloth isn't going to stick with any program. Many of them just keep buying that next gizmo that's on the infomercial, and then sell it off cheap at a yard sale. Don't even get into anything to do with the military. They waste time and money on the stupidest things. "Military Approved" is no stamp of approval in my book. (unknown) Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also strengthen internal organs. Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly reduced. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 You know,there will always be those among us who will argue that black is white and up is down.They will disagree just to disagree,They are right,we are wrong.That's too bad,we should be a club united,not divided.Positive arguing is healthy,but negative arguing is not.Dick Lane is right,let's put this to an end.Let's reunite to spread the positive of Bullworker Training.Those who disagree or don't believe BW Training works can always leave the club and let the believers go on with what this club was founded for.Dick Lane wrote: let's put this argument to an end.look at gymnasts. what do they do? a combination of bodyweight movements and isometrics. If you don't think isometrics can build muscle mass, talk to a gymnast about what iron crosses did for their builds.Go read the forums at www.bronzebowpublishing.com and look at what some people have done there with isos, dvrs and such. one guy didn't chin for a month or so and just did the dvr chins and isos and when he went back to chin he more than doubled what he'd been doing before.of course, if you really think you are right, here is what you could do. order a bullworker. then follow the bullworker training daily for the next three months and don't do any weight lifting. Nothing but bullworker. then prove to us all and to yourself whether it is effective or not. (unknown)>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates> devise,but>> > the>> > > > guy>> > > > > who wrote>> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you>> remember,>> > > > was a>> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant>> spring>> > > > > inside two>> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were>> > steel>> > > > > cables>> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and>> legs>> > > > with a>> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by>> pushing>> > in>> > > > on>> > > > > either>> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by>> watching>> > a>> > > > > plastic>> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest> compression)>> > or>> > > > > you'd pull>> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the>> spring)>> > > > using>> > > > > the>> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs.>> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is>> just>> > as>> > > > > good as a>> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more>> talented>> > > > > piece of>> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more>> > > compact:>> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the>> > > devise>> > > > > he writes>> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he>> claims>> > > the>> > > > > Bullworker>> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer> exists.>> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes.>> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g...>> > > > > > >You can read the article at:> goinside.com/00/4/magic.html>> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic>> > > > > Circle.Never heard>> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker.>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >--------------------------------->> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >__________________________________________________>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Dick, The person who didn't do chins for a month and only iso's a dvr's in a nice story- but it's not neccessarily proof. There are so many other factors that could've been at work. Overtraining instantly springs to mind. Many people overwork themselves and do too much. Taking a break allows their muscles to finally fully recover and then when they start back again they are amazed at how strong they feel. Most think that by taking time off they will be growing weaker everyday, but that's not really the case. This person should stop doing chinups for 6 months and then see what happens. If his chinup numbers are still as good or better than he can stop bothering to do chinups ever again because the iso's and dvr's truly are working. I've owned a BW for over 30 years and use it. But I would never use it along. It's an incomplete method in my opinion. A muscle needs to be worked through it's full range- if you want it to truly be functional. Due to design limitations the BW just can't do this, you are limited at working the muscle only in the range the BW allows. (unknown) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates > devise,but >> > the >> > > > guy >> > > > > who wrote >> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you >> remember, >> > > > was a >> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant >> spring >> > > > > inside two >> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were >> > steel >> > > > > cables >> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and >> legs >> > > > with a >> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by >> pushing >> > in >> > > > on >> > > > > either >> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by >> watching >> > a >> > > > > plastic >> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest > compression) >> > or >> > > > > you'd pull >> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the >> spring) >> > > > using >> > > > > the >> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. >> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is >> just >> > as >> > > > > good as a >> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more >> talented >> > > > > piece of >> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more >> > > compact: >> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the >> > > devise >> > > > > he writes >> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he >> claims >> > > the >> > > > > Bullworker >> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer > exists. >> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. >> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... >> > > > > > >You can read the article at: > goinside.com/00/4/magic.html >> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic >> > > > > Circle.Never heard >> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------- >> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Agreed! (unknown) > > > Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also strengthen internal organs. > > Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly reduced. > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 yea, I chuckled at the lazy line too. Try doing 5-6 reps and then a 10 second hold and do that for 25 exercises. I work up more sweat and heavy breathing doing that than I ever did pumping iron in the gym. (unknown) > > > > Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a > superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the > Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds > and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also > strengthen internal organs. > > Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of > effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is > no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are > basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your > success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of > will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly > reduced. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 I'm right? Wow, gotta save this post for future reference! (unknown) >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates >> devise,but >>> > the >>> > > > guy >>> > > > > who wrote >>> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you >>> remember, >>> > > > was a >>> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant >>> spring >>> > > > > inside two >>> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were >>> > steel >>> > > > > cables >>> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and >>> legs >>> > > > with a >>> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by >>> pushing >>> > in >>> > > > on >>> > > > > either >>> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by >>> watching >>> > a >>> > > > > plastic >>> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest >> compression) >>> > or >>> > > > > you'd pull >>> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the >>> spring) >>> > > > using >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. >>> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is >>> just >>> > as >>> > > > > good as a >>> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more >>> talented >>> > > > > piece of >>> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more >>> > > compact: >>> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the >>> > > devise >>> > > > > he writes >>> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he >>> claims >>> > > the >>> > > > > Bullworker >>> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer >> exists. >>> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. >>> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... >>> > > > > > >You can read the article at: >> goinside.com/00/4/magic.html >>> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic >>> > > > > Circle.Never heard >>> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >--------------------------------- >>> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 I don't disagree about much of what you said in this post, and if you'd said it this way several days ago instead of just attacking the BW, we probably could have saved a lot of internet bandwidth. I do bodyweight exercises almost daily and when I do, say chins, I do go all the way down till the arms are straight before heading back up. I agree about full range benefits. (unknown) >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates >> devise,but >>> > the >>> > > > guy >>> > > > > who wrote >>> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you >>> remember, >>> > > > was a >>> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant >>> spring >>> > > > > inside two >>> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were >>> > steel >>> > > > > cables >>> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and >>> legs >>> > > > with a >>> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by >>> pushing >>> > in >>> > > > on >>> > > > > either >>> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by >>> watching >>> > a >>> > > > > plastic >>> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest >> compression) >>> > or >>> > > > > you'd pull >>> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the >>> spring) >>> > > > using >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. >>> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is >>> just >>> > as >>> > > > > good as a >>> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more >>> talented >>> > > > > piece of >>> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more >>> > > compact: >>> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the >>> > > devise >>> > > > > he writes >>> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he >>> claims >>> > > the >>> > > > > Bullworker >>> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer >> exists. >>> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. >>> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... >>> > > > > > >You can read the article at: >> goinside.com/00/4/magic.html >>> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic >>> > > > > Circle.Never heard >>> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >--------------------------------- >>> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 , Thanks for the info. I'll followup with the books. Bob A --- richard pancoast wrote: > Dynamic Tension can be found at: > www.charlesatlas.com Visit the message board,and you > can join free,Great place to ask and learn,also > share your experiences. > > I do three chair push-ups,two chairs 24 " apart(this > works entire upper body,except biceps),feet on third > chair. > I do the crunches and squats,and a few other chest > exercises found in, " Atlas,10 Steps To A > Better Body " ,an introductionto the complete Dynamic > Tension course(at and Noble for $15.00,well > worth it)..Also,a few exercises found in the > complete course.Then,I finish up with Bullworker,and > try to get a walk in.Then,warm shower follwed by > cold shower.This works great for me,with the varity > of Bullworker exercises and DT. > Rich > > Bob Armstrong wrote: > Hi , > Would you please post your Dynamic Tension > exercises? > TIA, > Bob Armstrong > > --- richard pancoast wrote: > > > I,personally,have gained muscle mass from just > using > > Bullworker alone.You can build a > > lean,powerful,muscular body just using > > Bullworker.Today,I do Dynamic Tension along with > > Bullworker,they compliment each other > nicely.But,to > > each his or her own.Some of you may prefer > > weights,or,as in recent > > post,kettlebells,or,bodyweight exercises,along > with > > Bullworker.Whatever works for you..Fact > > is,though,Bullworker DOES build muscle if given an > > honest chance.And,it's a great,quick workout when > > you haven't always the time for weights,etc.Just > > remember to do some walking,jogging,or other > aerobic > > exercise,along with whatever else you do. > > rrbelloff wrote: > > Well, you continue to use attack versus logic. > What > > else is new? > > > > You were the one that indicated that lower body > > involvment was > > necessary to add muscular mass. I simply pointed > out > > that it was > > possible without such. Of course, one should > > exercise their legs > > and I agreed that the BW is not great for leg > > exercises. There are > > ways to work your leg muscles isometrically and > much > > of the iso > > research is conducted using leg contractions. > > > > However, the issue that got us started was whether > > using the BW and > > isometrics can add muscular mass. Research says > that > > it can, you say > > that it can't. > > > > So, we must believe you over research? > > > > As I have said repeatedly and which you continue > to > > ignore is that > > most exercise systems can and will add muscle mass > > when employed > > correctly. I have no issue with weights nor > > bodyweight exercises, I > > have and do employ them from time to time. > > > > However, my personal experience and research > > indicates that muscle > > mass can be added by using isometric contraction, > > AND that it is > > from a time employed perspective, a superior > > exercise method vs. > > isotonic movements. > > > > So, attack away but everything I have said has > been > > researched to > > death. > > > > Regarding my position as moderator, I suppose I > > should have allowed > > your insults to the British citizens to pass > freely > > to the folks on > > this board. However, I was doing my job, pure and > > simple. > > > > Thanks for sharing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bullworkerclub , " Canadian > > Combato " > > <whammer@e...> wrote: > > > You just don't make much sense, no? > > > > > > Of course someone can gain mass on their upper > > body without > > working their > > > lower body- but those gains would come easier if > > the larger muscle > > masses > > > (hips and thighs) are stimulated. It's well > > documented that people > > doing > > > squat rountines have gained mass throughout > their > > body- perhaps > > you need to > > > do some reading, no? > > > > > > Odd you mention wheelchair athletes....did their > > gains come from > > > isometrics??? > > > Again if one wants to mirror success it only > makes > > sense to do > > what those > > > who are successful do. > > > Those wheelchair athletes pump a lot of iron. > > > > > > Again I ask...please tell us your measurements, > > tell us your > > compressions > > > numbers on the BW. Let us see what you have > > accomplished. > > > > > > Making you a moderator on this forum has been a > > mistake on Tony's > > part. A > > > little sense of power can make some people > > egomaniacs. > > > > > > Dave > > > Re: (unknown) > > > > > > > > > Well of course, my " comments " have nothing to do > > with this. I have > > > simply stated what has been researched in the > lab > > and on the field. > > > I have provided a place for you to go and get > > educated on the > > > effectivness of isometric contractions. You > have > > failed to do so > > > and simply resorted to name calling, a trait > which > > you seem to be > > > fairly good at it. > > > > > > Why don't you pick up a copy of the > Supertraining > > Book and check it > > > out. A little education might help. > > > > > > > > > Regarding my size and abilities, they are > > irrelevant to our > > > conversation, no? ly, if I were Athlete > " A " > > endorsing the BW > > > or a weight set, what would that prove; well > > nothing. > > > > > > The fact remains that one can ad muscle mass in > a > > variety of ways, > > > all you need is place muscles under tension for > a > > period of time. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Not to argue, but with a little imagination, you can use the later BW models with the dual straps, to hit most muscles through the full range of movement, top, middle and bottom. Research on isos indicates that this training will strengthen the muscle through its range of motion. The other advantage (which is unique to isos) is that you can use them to fully overload the muscle throughout the range. This is really possible with weights nor bodyweight exercise, unless you have a power rack for your weights and you are willing to break up your movements into quarters or thirds. With iso, no equipment necessary. Just need some imagination. One deficiency in the BW manual is not stressing nor showing how the BW can be used to fully work the muscle at the angles necessary for a full contraction workout. That is the result of having adv guys write the manuals and not exercise physiologies etc. Good stuff!-- - In bullworkerclub , " Canadian Combato " <whammer@e...> wrote: > Dick, > > The person who didn't do chins for a month and only iso's a dvr's in a nice > story- but it's not neccessarily proof. There are so many other factors that > could've been at work. Overtraining instantly springs to mind. Many people > overwork themselves and do too much. Taking a break allows their muscles to > finally fully recover and then when they start back again they are amazed at > how strong they feel. Most think that by taking time off they will be > growing weaker everyday, but that's not really the case. > This person should stop doing chinups for 6 months and then see what > happens. > If his chinup numbers are still as good or better than he can stop bothering > to do chinups ever again because the iso's and dvr's truly are working. > > I've owned a BW for over 30 years and use it. But I would never use it > along. It's an incomplete method in my opinion. A muscle needs to be worked > through it's full range- if you want it to truly be functional. Due to > design limitations the BW just can't do this, you are limited at working the > muscle only in the range the BW allows. > > > (unknown) > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates > > devise,but > >> > the > >> > > > guy > >> > > > > who wrote > >> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you > >> remember, > >> > > > was a > >> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant > >> spring > >> > > > > inside two > >> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were > >> > steel > >> > > > > cables > >> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and > >> legs > >> > > > with a > >> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by > >> pushing > >> > in > >> > > > on > >> > > > > either > >> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by > >> watching > >> > a > >> > > > > plastic > >> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest > > compression) > >> > or > >> > > > > you'd pull > >> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the > >> spring) > >> > > > using > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs. > >> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is > >> just > >> > as > >> > > > > good as a > >> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more > >> talented > >> > > > > piece of > >> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more > >> > > compact: > >> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the > >> > > devise > >> > > > > he writes > >> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he > >> claims > >> > > the > >> > > > > Bullworker > >> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer > > exists. > >> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes. > >> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g... > >> > > > > > >You can read the article at: > > goinside.com/00/4/magic.html > >> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic > >> > > > > Circle.Never heard > >> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Yes,it is quiet a workout.And I feel that anything to get an idle person moving,motivated and exercising is better than nothing,and,who knows,they may discover thy like it and stay with it.Not everyone who starts workouts will stay with it,lazy or not,but a lot will.Dick Lane wrote: yea, I chuckled at the lazy line too. Try doing 5-6 reps and then a 10 second hold and do that for 25 exercises. I work up more sweat and heavy breathing doing that than I ever did pumping iron in the gym. (unknown)>>>> Using the Bullworker you can train your body throughout to produce a > superb muscular system. Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the > Bullworker system is that most of the exercises last only seven seconds > and these exercises don't merely strengthen the muscles, they also > strengthen internal organs.>> Some traditional methods of body building require a considerable amount of > effort, using heavy weights and putting in hours of tiring work. There is > no certainty at all that you will get satisfactory results as they are > basically every time wasting methods of building muscles. Furthermore your > success using these methods depends very greatly upon the amount of > will-power you exert. With the Bullworker the element of chance is greatly > reduced.>> __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Bob,I believe you'll be more than happy you did.Let me know. My best to you. RichBob Armstrong wrote: ,Thanks for the info. I'll followup with the books.Bob A--- richard pancoast wrote:> Dynamic Tension can be found at:> www.charlesatlas.com Visit the message board,and you> can join free,Great place to ask and learn,also> share your experiences.> > I do three chair push-ups,two chairs 24" apart(this> works entire upper body,except biceps),feet on third> chair.> I do the crunches and squats,and a few other chest> exercises found in," Atlas,10 Steps To A> Better Body",an introductionto the complete Dynamic> Tension course(at and Noble for $15.00,well> worth it)..Also,a few exercises found in the> complete course.Then,I finish up with Bullworker,and> try to get a walk in.Then,warm shower follwed by> cold shower.This works great for me,with the varity> of Bullworker exercises and DT.> Rich> > Bob Armstrong wrote:> Hi ,> Would you please post your Dynamic Tension> exercises?> TIA,> Bob Armstrong> > --- richard pancoast wrote:> > > I,personally,have gained muscle mass from just> using> > Bullworker alone.You can build a> > lean,powerful,muscular body just using> > Bullworker.Today,I do Dynamic Tension along with> > Bullworker,they compliment each other> nicely.But,to> > each his or her own.Some of you may prefer> > weights,or,as in recent> > post,kettlebells,or,bodyweight exercises,along> with> > Bullworker.Whatever works for you..Fact> > is,though,Bullworker DOES build muscle if given an> > honest chance.And,it's a great,quick workout when> > you haven't always the time for weights,etc.Just> > remember to do some walking,jogging,or other> aerobic> > exercise,along with whatever else you do.> > rrbelloff wrote:> > Well, you continue to use attack versus logic.> What> > else is new?> > > > You were the one that indicated that lower body> > involvment was > > necessary to add muscular mass. I simply pointed> out> > that it was > > possible without such. Of course, one should> > exercise their legs > > and I agreed that the BW is not great for leg> > exercises. There are > > ways to work your leg muscles isometrically and> much> > of the iso > > research is conducted using leg contractions.> > > > However, the issue that got us started was whether> > using the BW and > > isometrics can add muscular mass. Research says> that> > it can, you say > > that it can't.> > > > So, we must believe you over research?> > > > As I have said repeatedly and which you continue> to> > ignore is that > > most exercise systems can and will add muscle mass> > when employed > > correctly. I have no issue with weights nor> > bodyweight exercises, I > > have and do employ them from time to time.> > > > However, my personal experience and research> > indicates that muscle > > mass can be added by using isometric contraction,> > AND that it is > > from a time employed perspective, a superior> > exercise method vs. > > isotonic movements.> > > > So, attack away but everything I have said has> been> > researched to > > death.> > > > Regarding my position as moderator, I suppose I> > should have allowed > > your insults to the British citizens to pass> freely> > to the folks on > > this board. However, I was doing my job, pure and> > simple.> > > > Thanks for sharing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bullworkerclub , "Canadian> > Combato" > > <whammer@e...> wrote:> > > You just don't make much sense, no?> > > > > > Of course someone can gain mass on their upper> > body without > > working their> > > lower body- but those gains would come easier if> > the larger muscle > > masses> > > (hips and thighs) are stimulated. It's well> > documented that people > > doing> > > squat rountines have gained mass throughout> their> > body- perhaps > > you need to> > > do some reading, no?> > > > > > Odd you mention wheelchair athletes....did their> > gains come from> > > isometrics???> > > Again if one wants to mirror success it only> makes> > sense to do > > what those> > > who are successful do.> > > Those wheelchair athletes pump a lot of iron.> > > > > > Again I ask...please tell us your measurements,> > tell us your > > compressions> > > numbers on the BW. Let us see what you have> > accomplished.> > > > > > Making you a moderator on this forum has been a> > mistake on Tony's > > part. A> > > little sense of power can make some people> > egomaniacs.> > > > > > Dave> > > Re: (unknown)> > > > > > > > > Well of course, my "comments" have nothing to do> > with this. I have> > > simply stated what has been researched in the> lab> > and on the field.> > > I have provided a place for you to go and get> > educated on the> > > effectivness of isometric contractions. You> have> > failed to do so> > > and simply resorted to name calling, a trait> which> > you seem to be> > > fairly good at it.> > > > > > Why don't you pick up a copy of the> Supertraining> > Book and check it> > > out. A little education might help.> > > > > > > > > Regarding my size and abilities, they are> > irrelevant to our> > > conversation, no? ly, if I were Athlete> "A"> > endorsing the BW> > > or a weight set, what would that prove; well> > nothing.> > > > > > The fact remains that one can ad muscle mass in> a> > variety of ways,> > > all you need is place muscles under tension for> a> > period of time.> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Correct.Glad you posted this.Thanks.rrbelloff wrote: Not to argue, but with a little imagination, you can use the later BW models with the dual straps, to hit most muscles through the full range of movement, top, middle and bottom. Research on isos indicates that this training will strengthen the muscle through its range of motion.The other advantage (which is unique to isos) is that you can use them to fully overload the muscle throughout the range. This is really possible with weights nor bodyweight exercise, unless you have a power rack for your weights and you are willing to break up your movements into quarters or thirds.With iso, no equipment necessary. Just need some imagination.One deficiency in the BW manual is not stressing nor showing how the BW can be used to fully work the muscle at the angles necessary for a full contraction workout.That is the result of having adv guys write the manuals and not exercise physiologies etc.Good stuff! Hi ,I never> > got> >> > > hurt> >> > > > > > >using the Bullworker.There was a devise sold years> >> > > ago,advocated> >> > > > > by Dave> >> > > > > > >Draper.I can't really remember the name,but it was a> >> strait> >> > > bar> >> > > > > with two> >> > > > > > >bicycle handle bar grips with a big spring in the> >> middle.The> >> > > > idea> >> > > > > was to> >> > > > > > >bring the 2 handles together to build up your chest.It> > was> >> > the> >> > > > > opposite> >> > > > > > >princible of the old spring chest expander.One day one> > of> >> > the> >> > > > > handles> >> > > > > > >slipped from my grip,and it felt like I got hit by> > > >> > > > > Foreman.The funny> >> > > > > > >thing is it must have whacked some others too,as I saw> > my> >> > > > > freind,who owned> >> > > > > > >one too,wearing his high school football helmet with a> >> full> >> > > > > linemans cage> >> > > > > > >facemask while working out with this thing.I think it> > was> >> > > called> >> > > > > the Power> >> > > > > > >Flex,but I'm not sure.The next year it came out with> >> safety> >> > > > > straps on the 2> >> > > > > > >handles,and then thru law suites it faded off into> >> > > > > oblivion.....any of you> >> > > > > > >Bullworkers remember that thing...Dawk.> >> > > > > > > (unknown)> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >I just found a site about some sort of Pilates> > devise,but> >> > the> >> > > > guy> >> > > > > who wrote> >> > > > > > >it had the following to say:The Bullworker, if you> >> remember,> >> > > > was a> >> > > > > > >monstrous self-contained exercise device with a giant> >> spring> >> > > > > inside two> >> > > > > > >metal pipes. Attached on either side of the tubes were> >> > steel> >> > > > > cables> >> > > > > > >encapsulated in plastic. To exercise your muscles and> >> legs> >> > > > with a> >> > > > > > >Bullworker, you would either compress the spring by> >> pushing> >> > in> >> > > > on> >> > > > > either> >> > > > > > >end of the pipe (gauging your strength progress by> >> watching> >> > a> >> > > > > plastic> >> > > > > > >marker on the pipe that tracked your furthest> > compression)> >> > or> >> > > > > you'd pull> >> > > > > > >out on the steel cables (which still compressed the> >> spring)> >> > > > using> >> > > > > the> >> > > > > > >opposing muscles of your arms and legs.> >> > > > > > >Alas, the Bullworker is no more, but a Magic Circle is> >> just> >> > as> >> > > > > good as a> >> > > > > > >Bullworker and it is certainly a lighter and a more> >> talented> >> > > > > piece of> >> > > > > > >exercise equipment because it's kinder to use and more> >> > > compact:> >> > > > > > >Apparently,he knows nothing about the Bullworker.And,the> >> > > devise> >> > > > > he writes> >> > > > > > >about weighs 2 pounds,according to the article.So,he> >> claims> >> > > the> >> > > > > Bullworker> >> > > > > > >was a monstrous,heavy devise,and that it no longer> > exists.> >> > > > > > >I emailed him and politely pointed out his mistakes.> >> > > > > > >If you'd like to email him,his address is: boles@g...> >> > > > > > >You can read the article at:> > goinside.com/00/4/magic.html> >> > > > > > >He then goes on to say how he was hurt using that Magic> >> > > > > Circle.Never heard> >> > > > > > >of anyone being hurt using Bullworker.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >---------------------------------> >> > > > > > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Thanks any premonitions on 6 little lottery numbers you would like to share?"Brann, Mr" wrote: I want to mention I think the bullworker and similar products are very good – they are portable – light – convenient and give you a good quick work out. As I mentioned in the past I am a natural body builder of 10 years – I promote free weights and believe above all things these can not be beaten, however since I purchased a bullworker from a table top sale (BW 2 green handles and cables) I have come to appreciate the benefits. I use my bullworker at home on nights I can not face getting all my weight plates out and stowing them away again - knowing the whole effort + work out is going to take 2 hours. I also take the BW to work to do a 30 min work out at lunch. I think anything that shocks the body to respond and create muscle growth has got to be good. But on the note regarding the BW causes internal organs to become stronger I want to make two points: 1. the only internal organs I know that will grow when doing weights or the BW are – the heart and the internal muscles around the tummy + the lungs. The heart is a muscle and respond to exercise this intern lowers the resting heart rate as it pushes more blood round the body with every pump. The internal muscle sheaf inside round the tummy is essential as it gives core strength – one of the reasons with free weights an exercise belt should not be used constantly, as the external belt prevents development of internal muscles that stabilize the body. Lung growth and capacity speaks for itself! If you don’t use it you lose it. 2. I am a little shocked by point two and that is, there is no doubt the inventor of the BW was a ingenious man, not everyone has access to free weights – the time or the money. He created an excellent exercise device. But he is not a guru (might have known a great deal about fitness and developed ideas that still hold true in the most today – but not everything we believed in the past is still solid today otherwise we would still think the world was flat) and his booklets are not the lost scrolls of knowledge. I don’t think everything he said was meant to be taken literally and I don’t think the odd phrase or word has some hidden meaning. I don’t think everything written about fitness in the past or present is correct and will not everything will hold up now or in the future. Not even Nostradamus or Alistair Crowley was meant to be taken literally on everything they wrote or said. So I am just a little shocked by some of the BW club members when they pick up on every sentence he wrote and look for hidden meanings. I emailed the BBC 1 week to 10 days before the UK atomic sub incident telling them I had a premonition all day and described the events that subsequently unfolded, I even told them where the sub was in the world. But they never responded then or after the event, despite the fact I have emailed them after the event reminding them I predicted the event. Now if I wrote a book would people be looking for every hidden meaning or some lost teaching, I think not. All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 genetics"Brann, Mr" wrote: Your doing something I cant I have been body building for 10 years and am 48 years old now – while I have an impressive body and have made substantial gains in size and strength I have not significantly gained size in my biceps since Nov 2002. I am 14 ½” on both arms non pumped. I have been using the bullworker (+ free weights on days I don’t use the bullworker) for 1-2 months and while I have got harder in the muscles and have certainly gained power and strength size increase alludes me. I eat a good diet and do cardio. But no way I can get to 15” arms least lone 16” I used to take protean powder but still could not get much bigger than I am now. I read your article and it made me a little depressed – but then I have been told size is not everything by my wife – but being a man and a body builder I think size is important. I am 5’6 ½” so my arms do look big. I have also been told a fat person can have 18” arms but is fat not muscular. Without steroids I see no chance of significant increases in size. On the weekend with an EZ bar I cleaned and jerked 74 Kg put it on my shoulders and squatted, I weigh 77 Kg – my best ever clean and jerk with an EZ bar was 80 Kg when I weighed 76 Kg. Your going to have to tell me your secret of how you jumped from 13” arms to 16” arms. I think I could have 18” arms if I cut the end of the tape measure off or put a finger between my arms and the tape. Is this an honest reading? Or what is your secret? Without taking steroids. Thanks Kumar. This sounds like a very effective routine. Have you made all your gains using only the Bullworker or do you also lift weights or do bodyweight exercises? What about legs?Bob> > When one looks at the old BW charts and manuals, there > were 28 exercises at 7 seconds each. Did that provide an optimum > workout in 3.2 minutes?> > > > How about the X-5 charts which incorporate an inner/middle/outer > range of exercise... 40 exercises @ 7 seconds = 4.3 minutes? > > > > When one looks at some of the newer charts, 7 major muscle groups > at 7 seconds each, does that constitute the optimum workout at 49 > seconds?> > > > If one is only using 70% of their strength for optimum results... > when are the muscles ready for another workout?> > > > The Dynamic Tension programs had one exercising in almost every > function of the day. Sitting at the desk... walking to the bus stop, > waiting for an elevator... even sitting at the dinner table… all day > every day. Heavy weight training has every other day off for > fatigued muscle groups.> > > > That being said, the question pertains to the isometric aspect of > Bullworker, not comparing to other exercise routines.> > > > I pose this question on the following premise... the size of the > Steel-Bow has allowed me to take and use it in situations I never did > with the X-5. It is not unusual for me to have several exercise > routines daily, some longer than others, but several times more than > once daily or every other day.> > > > I have found with the increased use, muscular tone and definition > has greatly increased. Because the exercises are at 60-70% exertion, > there is not the total muscle fatigue that would result in the > necessary time off for the muscles to recoup. With a minimum one > hour between use, I feel fresh in using the SB each time, albeit in a > different manner, and usually with some Iso-Motion involved, but > still fresh. With the completion of a single or multiple set of > exercises, does not matter which, I can feel the muscle fatigue from > the set. That is always a constant.> > > > This experiment came about because when I did the 40 exercise X-5 > routine, one after another with very little rest between exercises, > the results were more evident than with the 7-exercise or even the 28-> exercise routine. All the routines produced results; just some > results were better than others. > > > > It appeared more was better.> > > > So which was the most beneficial; the rapidity of the routine… or > the increased number of exercises… the several times a day or an > extended exercise routine?> > > > > > Bullworker USA> > > > ---------------------------------> > Get your own web address.> > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love> > (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hi ,will you be taping it? I'd love to hear/learn from you!Sorry to post a second message, but if you are interested in the Gemmotherapy class, please either respond to my email directly or call the office and leave me a message. drasmarbambuclinic or (503)274-9360. Thanks. Let's keep this forum free of random emails. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Asmar, ND - Bambu Clinic - 838 SW 1st Avenue, Ste 330 - Portland, OR 97204ph - fax - www.bambuclinic.comBe a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Not sure yet. Trying to get the Portland details set and considering my options about others outside of the close vicinity. Maybe podcast it? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Asmar, ND - Bambu Clinic - 838 SW 1st Avenue, Ste 330 - Portland, OR 97204 ph - fax - www.bambuclinic.com Re: (unknown)Hi , will you be taping it? I'd love to hear/learn from you! Sorry to post a second message, but if you are interested in the Gemmotherapy class, please either respond to my email directly or call the office and leave me a message. drasmar@bambuclinic .com or (503)274-9360. Thanks. Let's keep this forum free of random emails. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Asmar, ND - Bambu Clinic - 838 SW 1st Avenue, Ste 330 - Portland, OR 97204 ph - fax - www.bambuclinic. com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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