Re: not knowing - is that true?

[Guest guest]

Dear Tami:

For me, The Work does not have any agenda, except to investigate (ask

question) to find what is true.

However, I do find that " my thinking " does have an agenda and that is

to " be right " . The Work does not " need anything " , it only asks

questions.

You said:

" I already know from the begining of the journey where I am about to

end. "

Yes, once we are " truly willing " to hear the truth, the truth is

instantly obvious. Our willingness to hear (by doing The Work (e.g.:

question our thinking) allows the door to open in our awareness for

Truth to enter in. The Truth will not enter in unwelcome as It is

Love and Love does not force itself on us.

You said:

" I am envy of people that can really not know what will happen when

they do the work or how it will end up. "

The Ego Mind " thinks it knows " where things will end up and always

speaks first; however, if we will wait for the " Heart " to answer, we

may be very surprised by the response. This listening for the answer

from the " Heart " requires " being still and surrendering our desire to

be right " and " waiting " . Not having the Ego Mind jump in with a

quick answer. This is the habitual activity of the Ego Mind that one

must go beyond in order to be able to honestly say " I don't know -

and that is a good thing " .

I hope this is helpful, as I find it difficult to put into words. :-)

Love, Steve D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Eva,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said to Jan:

> > > > > > " Enlightenment can wait... :-) "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **Yes, it can, but I doubt if it will, oatmeal or

> > > cheeseburgers

> > > > or

> > > > > > not. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Merry Christmas, Steve D.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey I don't know man...are you saying you know?

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

for me, doing The Work is often an interesting exploration.

During the day, when I have a thought like: he shouldn't do this, or

he shouldn't do that, I have the same experience as you have: the

turnaround comes very quickly, and often it makes me smile and helps

to get rid of the stress that the original thought produced.

I do the Work on stressful thoughts that keep coming back, and in

those cases, the process of doing the Work can have quite unexpected

results.

I often skip writing a worksheet and work directly on a stressful

thought, but when I do write a worksheet, I can enjoy myself

immensely by letting myself go and writing down the pettiest

thoughts that I can find. This in itself feels already therapeutic,

and a lot of fun.

Unexpected results of doing the Work on a stressful thought include:

= uncovering underlying beliefs. These can be precious finds, and I

may decide to switch to doing the work on the underlying belief

instead of the thought I started out with.

= realising how hurtful the thought is to myself. Realising this

pain will create a distance between me and the thought, in the

analogy of : if you burn your hand, you don't think twice about

letting go of the red-hot coal. Doing the work makes me realise how

the red-hot thought burns me. This realisation is particularly

intense when I go deep with question 3, using many of the additional

questions

= realising how the thought makes me behave unlovingly towards

others.

= new turnarounds that weren't obvious when I started out. As you

say, a turnaround of 'he should' can be 'I should', but it can also

be: 'he shouldn't', or 'I shouldn't', or still different, and it is

nice to taste all of these turnarounds in my mind and decide which

one sounds the most true.

So in all, I find doing the Work on paper a lot more intense, and a

lot more unpredictable than you would think, perhaps.

In any case, I don't find it too difficult to really not know what

will be the outcome, since indeed so far, it has always produced one

or more unexpected results.

Eva

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Eva,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said to Jan:

> > > > > > " Enlightenment can wait... :-) "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **Yes, it can, but I doubt if it will, oatmeal or

> > > cheeseburgers

> > > > or

> > > > > > not. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Merry Christmas, Steve D.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey I don't know man...are you saying you know?

[Guest guest]

> Dear Tami:

>

> For me, The Work does not have any agenda, except to investigate

(ask

> question) to find what is true.

But in a way

the work does have an agenda

for example:

the truth = reality

my truth could be:

people should be kind to each other

And according to the work

it is not true, because it doesn't happen in reality

Another predictable agenda

is: the 3 kind of business

It is hard for me to expain

you call the work simple 4 question

that leads you to the truth

I see them as 4 question

that leads you to

's point of view

wich is a peacfull one

loving what is

>

> However, I do find that " my thinking " does have an agenda and that

is

> to " be right " . The Work does not " need anything " , it only asks

> questions.

>

> You said:

> " I already know from the begining of the journey where I am about

to

> end. "

>

> Yes, once we are " truly willing " to hear the truth, the truth is

> instantly obvious. Our willingness to hear (by doing The Work

(e.g.:

> question our thinking) allows the door to open in our awareness

for

> Truth to enter in. The Truth will not enter in unwelcome as It is

> Love and Love does not force itself on us.

>

> You said:

> " I am envy of people that can really not know what will happen

when

> they do the work or how it will end up. "

>

> The Ego Mind " thinks it knows " where things will end up and always

> speaks first; however, if we will wait for the " Heart " to answer,

we

> may be very surprised by the response. This listening for the

answer

> from the " Heart " requires " being still and surrendering our desire

to

> be right " and " waiting " . Not having the Ego Mind jump in with a

> quick answer. This is the habitual activity of the Ego Mind that

one

> must go beyond in order to be able to honestly say " I don't know -

> and that is a good thing " .

>

> I hope this is helpful, as I find it difficult to put into

words. :-)

>

> Love, Steve D.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Eva,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You said to Jan:

> > > > > > > " Enlightenment can wait... :-) "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **Yes, it can, but I doubt if it will, oatmeal or

> > > > cheeseburgers

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not. :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Merry Christmas, Steve D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey I don't know man...are you saying you know?

[Guest guest]

Agenda or not,

I have just heard a cd where does the work

with a women that got wraped by a priest

when she was young.

One sentence she said

grabbed my attention:

" until you don't see this priest as god

your work is not done "

katie see's god in everything

good for her

I want to see god in everything too

This sentence hold within a very deep agenda:

until I don't see god in everything

my work is not done

Does I make myself clear?

> Dear Tami:

>

> You said:

> " you call the work simple 4 question that leads you to the truth

>

> I see them as 4 question that leads you to 's point of view

> wich is a peacfull one loving what is "

>

> **And, I can not seem to find a problem with that! :-)

>

> By the way, we can only guess that that is 's point of view,

> since we only know our story of a . :-)

>

> Love, Steve D.

[Guest guest]

Dear tami,

Yes, Sotnos, you have made your idea clear.

Love, Steve D.

>

> Agenda or not,

>

> I have just heard a cd where does the work

> with a women that got wraped by a priest

> when she was young.

>

> One sentence she said

> grabbed my attention:

> " until you don't see this priest as god

> your work is not done "

>

> katie see's god in everything

> good for her

> I want to see god in everything too

>

> This sentence hold within a very deep agenda:

> until I don't see god in everything

> my work is not done

>

> Does I make myself clear?

>

>

> > Dear Tami:

> >

> > You said:

> > " you call the work simple 4 question that leads you to the truth

> >

> > I see them as 4 question that leads you to 's point of view

> > wich is a peacfull one loving what is "

> >

> > **And, I can not seem to find a problem with that! :-)

> >

> > By the way, we can only guess that that is 's point of view,

> > since we only know our story of a . :-)

> >

> > Love, Steve D.