Re: Re: hope as a barrier to enlightenment ? Chris

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Hi Steve

What " do " you agree with . What is " real " for you?

Love,

Lyn

--- Steve Daily wrote:

>

> Dear Lyn,

>

> Thank you for taking the time to spell out your opinion. I

> don't

> agree with it but I do appreciate it.

>

> As I said in the previous post, we obviously have vastly

> different

> world views and that is perfect.

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

>

>

> > Hi Steve

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Hi

So, I get that basically what your saying is that you can

create your life and live without what one would consider

negative emotional thoughts that one could get stuck in, is that

correct?

Warmly,

Lyn

--- christownsend2002 wrote:

>

> > Okay - so let's say, a person's life is " perfect " now. And

> one

> > says, why would you want to change a perfect life. But,

> maybe a

> > " perfect " life IS change. Meaning the person " loves "

> change.

> > But to " change " one would put out the intention that things

> > change. Some like changes to be in the form of " surprises "

> and

> > some don't.

>

> Your life always is and always has been perfection. Its the

> wanting

> and needing that sets up the illusions that you are not in

> perfection. In the sedona method they talk about attractions

> and

> aversions. Clouding your thinking.

>

> This does not mean that you can't love change, its just that

> you

> create change without the attachments and aversions that hope

> brings.

> Would you rather love change with your painful illusions? or

> would

> you rather love change and be free at the same time - your

> choice.

>

> Instead of toiling you could create things effortlessly from

> the

> stateless state. Instead of just feeling proud of your work,

> maybe

> you could feel esctasty - then live the rest of the year in

> that.

>

> Love you all

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> > Hope is a " not know " . You don't actually " know " what will

> > happen or the outcome. This is all part of the " surprise " .

> > People who are afraid of the pains involved if they are

> totally

> > disappointed might try to keep " hope " out of their life.

> They

> > may try to just allow everything to just " happen " and remain

> > neutral or detached emotionally.

> >

> > Hope has the above definitions of the emotions involved.

> Some

> > people love those emotions. The desires and the

> anticipations

> > and the expectations. Its my opinion, that those who have

> been

> > hurt the most, will come up with the ideas that the

> definitions

> > above are perhaps risky and not necessary, etc. Other

> people

> > love hope because of the emotions it evokes. It can be

> > addicting in the extreme. But then so can detachment, as

> odd as

> > that may sound.

> >

> > Being in the present or in the " now " and seeing things as

> > perfect can be an extreme just as hope can be. I think its

> a

> > matter of balancing them so that they can both work for you,

> in

> > my opinion. I see nothing wrong with " hoping " to see

> someone

> > you love, but at the same time, you could have it or not

> have it

> > because you are willing to not see the person as well. That

> if

> > the person doesn't show up, there will be a future time,

> etc.,

> > or other types of opportunities.

> >

> > My opinion only

> >

> > Warmly,

> > Lyn

> > >

> > > Blessings, Steve D.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I see hope as a thief that steals your attention away

> from

> > > how

> > > > beautiful everything already is.

> > > >

> > > > Hope presupposes that things could get better, that " The

> sun

> > > will

> > > > come out tomorrow " and that something is wrong with the

> here

> > > and

> > > now.

> > > > One thing that repeats frequently is the she is a

> > > " Women with

> > > > no future " . What does that mean?

> > > > I think it means that if she died right now then

> everything

> > > is

> > > > perfect. nothing could be added. She walks in a state

> > > where

> > > > everything is complete and perfect. Nothing needs to be

> > > changed

> > > > because nothing is wrong. Why would you need hope if

> > > nothing needs

> > > > changing? It can't get any better than being truely

> free.

> > > >

> > > > Despite you truely beautiful poetic prose in homage of

> hope.

> > > Hope

> > > > has a future orientation and negates the present. Taking

> one

> > > away

> > > > from reality and what is. Failure is an inherent

> component

> > > of

> > > > hope. If things really needed to be changed, you would

> just

> > > change

> > > > them. Not indulge in fantasy or wishful thinking.

> > > >

> > > > There is a word that is worthy of all the qualities in

> your

> > > post,

> > > > but it is not 'hope', for hope has a darker side that

> takes

> > > us away

> > > > from reality.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you find what you are looking for.

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > > > Here is how I see hope.

> > > > >

> > > > > On this earth we must act. (Everyone does until they

> > > don't).

> > > > >

> > > > > I see HOPE as innocent arising within the heart.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I am subtracting any sense of fear or worry from

> hope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just pure innocent hope put there by god (as I

> perceive

> > > God).

> > > > >

> > > > > So I would say:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope is a vital, expansive part of life. Without hope,

> > > life

> > > > becomes

> > > > > dry. There is a difference, however, between hope and

> > > expectation.

> > > > > Expectation thinks, nearly insists, that something

> must

> > > happen

> > > and

> > > > > experiences a big let down that can lead to depression

> and

> > >

> > > > resentment

> > > > > when it does not happen according to plan. Expectation

> > > carries

> > > > > suitcases containing demands, attachments, and lots of

> > > ego. Hope

> > > > > travels light, with no baggage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope is a light shining in your heart. Hope says,

> " Yes! I

> > > will

> > > > plant

> > > > > the tree! " Hope holds a vision of apples already

> growing

> > > on the

> > > > tree.

> > > > > Then, expectation jumps in. Expectation crowds out the

> > > innocent,

> > > > > expansive energy of hope. Hope can let go. Expectation

> can

> > > only

> > > > grab.

> > > > > Hope holds a vision put there by God. Expectation

> takes

> > > hold of

> > > > that

> > > > > vision and calls it " mine. "

> > > > >

> > > > > .....works for me

> > > > > xxx000

> > > > > Judy

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi

--- Stephan Baker wrote:

> Amen ...!

> Not everybody talkin ' 'bout heavrn is a' 'goin' there .

Maybe not everyone " wants " to.

Warmly,

Lyn

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Lyn,

> >

> > You said: " Not a whole lot else " can " be said . "

> >

> > But, it apears that a whole lot more can be said and will be

> said but

> > that does not mean that any of it will have anyhting to do

> with what

> > is " real " . :-)

> >

> > Love, Steve D.

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