Re: What? How's that again? --Jan -

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" " wrote:

> Tap into the primal love that comes from the place where all

> consciousness is ONE, and all your stories vanish.

>

> It is only your personality's choice to work through them one-by-one,

> thereby strenghening your confidence in your own personality.

>

> Enjoy the choice you've made. I know you're aware that other choices

> were (and still are) possible. While inquiry is great entertainment,

> it carries within it the seed of the intellect. Are you sure that's

> the seed you want to be nurturing?

>

> Chris

If I knew how to do that, I think I would do that. Simply saying tap

into the love doesn't automatically transport me there.

Intellectually I know of what you are speaking - connecting to THAT

nonstop would be a nice place to be indeed.

I'm not sure it's my personality's choice. When I ask myself, what is

blocking myself from experiencing love non-stop...an unforgiveness

appears, a judgement appears, etc. I inquire.

In fact I find myself frustrated with posts that simply say drop it

all - now! What's wrong with you? Drop it now!!!!

I suspect that I have to embrace all of me on the way and let it drop

away in it's own time. Willing to listen and look forward to your

response....

Blessings - Jan

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Jan, you wrote in a later response to Andy: " ...I did discover that I

really like me doing exactly what I'm doing... "

Definitely. It comes through clearly, Jan, that you have a great

gift for asking questions and it gives you joy. This is what I mean

by saying that it's your personality's choice.

Jan wrote in response to my post: " In fact I find myself frustrated

with posts that simply say drop it all - now! What's wrong with

you? Drop it now!!!! "

I didn't tell you to drop it, and I didn't say there was anything

wrong with you. Those words are your own contribution, Jan, because

you seem to assume that if I appear to have a view different from

yours, then I must be attacking. (All this is mere dualistic

appearance -- not truth or reality.)

I'm questioning (and I know I'm in Jan's business here -- but will

get out of it soon), whether or not you really do want to reach the

end of an inquiry.

(And no, I don't think you " should " or " should not " -- but do I think

neutral observation plays a role, and it becomes possible to observe

when one isn't feeling stressed out.)

I observed that you had demolished over the face lift, but were

not content to stop there. You also needed (or so it appeared) to

convince everyone else who ventured an alternate opinion that your

inquiry was superior to theirs. (And, sweetly, most of them

complimented you for it. One even apologized eloquently.)

These exchanges were entertaining, and maybe we were learning inquiry

methods (although I doubt that most learning was actually about " The

Work " -- but more like inquiry for inquiry's sake). I am not saying

any of this " should " or " should not " have taken place. I'm simply

watching. I was content to watch silently until you equated love

with addiction.

Are these really the same? Results of my inquiry say no, but it's a

subjective position -- knowable and experiential, maybe not

scientifically provable.

If we were to delve further into where you and I might differ

over " love = addiction, " I'd say that we are probably operating from

different contextual fields. We could play ping-pong. We might have

fun analyzing it like a couple of dogs wrangling over a bone. But we

wouldn't be doing " The Work. "

I'm being simple-minded here. But for " The Work " to help people live

their lives (which I naively assume to be its purpose), the object of

inquiry is to effect a change in perception. Change how you see the

world, and miracles can occur.

The point where an individual shifts how she views the world is the

end of that particular inquiry, as far as " The Work " is concerned.

To keep on probing, pursuing the " reality " of every term used in the

argument, is to start doing philosophy. Despite what I've been

reading here on this message board recently, I'm pretty sure

that " The Work " is not about philosophy. And it's not about Zen.

You are right to call me on my statement that by tapping into the

ONE -- the All That Is, the " I AM " , the field of Consciousness

(really hoping to avoid hang-up over terms), stories can vanish

without having to work through them one by one.

But this is only if someone chooses that method. By no means is it

required. There is no law saying this is the way.

However, I do disagree with a recent statement here on this board (I

forget who wrote it) that we are always either attaching or

inquiring. My inquiry tells me this duality is not true. There is a

third way: we can release. We can inquire until we achieve a shift

in perception, at which point we can then release. OR, without the

detailed inquiry in every instance, we can simply release.

Jan, in regard to tapping into love you wrote, " If I knew how to do

that, I think I would do that. Simply saying tap into the love

doesn't automatically transport me there. Intellectually I know of

what you are speaking - connecting to THAT nonstop would be a nice

place to be indeed. "

Can we locate a mutually identified context from which to conduct a

dialog? I'm feeling my way slowly, knowing that we may misunderstand

each other's terms at first. However, I do grasp that if anyone

experiences a problem, it helps to heed Einstein's warning. Einstein

said, (paraphrasing), " We cannot solve a problem with the same level

of conscious with which we created the problem. "

A leap to a new consciousness level -- that's the prerequiste. Only

you know the nature of your experience, so in speaking of this I can

only allude to my own. If I created problems for myself in the past

(or even worse, believed that other people were my problem), I'm not

going to be able to solve anything or even shift my perception very

far using the same mind-set of the past -- which now simply reviews,

replays, or re-interprets what happened before. No matter how

sophisticated my questioning, as long as personal consciousness

remains at the same level, I'll not likely succeed in a shift of

perception large enough to create genuine release. Or, whenever I do

extinguish a few old stories, more spring up to take their place.

Raising personal consciousness to a new level requires among other

things, a full realization -- emotionally, spiritually, and not just

intellectually -- of how I am NOT my mind. I am not my thoughts.

One way I come to experience this truth is by watching my thoughts,

and as I watch I realize that the vast majority (98-99%) of my mind

is actually silent. And yet most of us spend virtually all of our

time paying attention to only the 1-2% of what goes on in the mind.

The noisy words that take up all our attention are not our real

selves.

Think of your mind as the ocean, and your thoughts as flying fish.

Keep your focus on the ocean as a whole. From time to time you see a

fish fly up here, another fly up there. At points, a school of fish

may jump raucously at the same time. Yet, keeping attention on the

mind as a whole, seeing it as the ocean, opens the way for a paradigm

shift. We are not our thoughts, and the lives we lead are not the

words we say about it. (And in time, we'll come to realize how the

watching actually does itself, there is no " I " doing it.)

The 1-2% of word and image thoughts flying through the mind are

linear. The other 98-99% of the ocean of mind is holistic. As

individual events (fish) occur, I may need to do " The Work " simply to

shift my attention back onto the ocean as a whole. Yet, if I try to

transform my life fish-by-fish, the liner process goes on ad

infinitum. If I want to raise my consciousness, I must raise the

water level of the ocean as a whole.

Point to keep in mind: Byron did not achieve total

transformation of her life by means of inquiry. She benefited from

an intervention which brought about a healing. Then, healed,

became able to help other people by means of the inquiry. The four

questions help us with our fish (thoughts).

But is inquiry the only tool, or even the best, tool for

transformation of the total life? Does inquiry raise the level of

the ocean (consciousness)? Jan, you are more gifted at inquiry than

most. And since you thrive on inquiry, you'll definitely want to

puruse it. Maybe you'll even find it enough for your transformation

and transcendence.

You wrote: " When I ask myself, what is blocking myself from

experiencing love non-stop...an unforgiveness appears, a judgement

appears, etc. I inquire. "

Good, you are right to inquire, and free to pursue the process which

I hope leads you to a release and that you move forward and live your

life fully present in the NOW.

For me personally (only a choice), I know holistically through a rise

in consciousness level that forgiveness vibrates at such an

infinitely higher frequency than any lack of it or of any judgment.

The instant I sense hint of any lower vibration thought arising, I

release immediately -- without need for processing anything in

detail. No justification, no inquiry, no story. Just release.

The answer I've tried to give here can only partial. I'm aware, that

healing of deep wounds requires that each of us have had our story

adequately heard. If there is a wound story, tell it three times,

each time to an emphatic listener -- and automatically you'll be

healed. The story vanishes.

If at any point inquiry does not give substanial release, you're

either nurturing the intellect and doing philosphy instead of " The

Work, " or perhaps the story isn't being heard properly.

Such as it is, this is the best I can do at this particular moment.

Chris

>

> If I knew how to do that, I think I would do that. Simply saying

tap

> into the love doesn't automatically transport me there.

> Intellectually I know of what you are speaking - connecting to THAT

> nonstop would be a nice place to be indeed.

>

> I'm not sure it's my personality's choice. When I ask myself, what

is

> blocking myself from experiencing love non-stop...an unforgiveness

> appears, a judgement appears, etc. I inquire.

>

> In fact I find myself frustrated with posts that simply say drop it

> all - now! What's wrong with you? Drop it now!!!!

>

> I suspect that I have to embrace all of me on the way and let it

drop

> away in it's own time. Willing to listen and look forward to your

> response....

>

> Blessings - Jan

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Think of your mind as the ocean, and your thoughts as flying fish.

Keep your focus on the ocean as a whole. From time to time you see a

fish fly up here, another fly up there. At points, a school of fish

may jump raucously at the same time. Yet, keeping attention on the

mind as a whole, seeing it as the ocean, opens the way for a paradigm

shift. We are not our thoughts, and the lives we lead are not the

words we say about it. (And in time, we'll come to realize how the

watching actually does itself, there is no " I " doing it.)

Dear ,

Thank you for continuing this conversation with Jan...you explained it

so beautifully.

To focus my attention continually on the flying fish and waiting for

the next one to rise out of the water will keep me focused on the game

of inquiry....and distract me from the ocean as a whole and the Work.

Its like yelling at one fish...*hey, you over there, yeah, the one

with the face lift, I have a problem with you...or *hey, you over

there, you are too stubborn*.

The vision of one world blocks out the vision of the other...who would

I be without my focus on the flying fish? Happily being the ocean.

love

nne