Re: something is missing in my life

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this point of view

I always thought

that if I feel emptiness

\it means that something is missing

I don't know what the truth is

but that point of view

is more relaxing

thank's

Tami

> > Tami

>

> Emptiness comes. Emptiness Goes.

>

> The idea that emptiness comes from the lack of a partner. Is this

true?

>

> Emptiness can be there even when a partner is there.

>

> Does the emptiness mean something is missing?

>

> Or is it that one notices the emptiness and the thinking says

something

> is missing?

>

> Just some questions.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this point of view

I always thought

that if I feel emptiness

\it means that something is missing

*****Of course there is something missing!

You aren't complete, you aren't Whole, unless something is missing.

The feeling of lack is present in Wholeness, else it wouldn't BE

Whole. ;-)))

Welcome to the world of ALL feelings, sensations, moods, thoughts.

This is how the universe has elected to experience itself through you

Tami.

Krishnamurti repeatedly said " You are the world -- the entire

world. " You may want to find out what that means as well as the

implications of such an understanding.

[Guest guest]

Andy,

You said:

" *****Of course there is something missing!

You aren't complete, you aren't Whole, unless something is missing.

The feeling of lack is present in Wholeness, else it wouldn't BE

Whole. ;-))) "

This is your story and you are welcome to it; however, I do not

agree. Unless we are looking at your words from diffeent levels? In

the world of the projected illusion/dream, I would agree

that " something is missing " and that we are not complete; however, in

reality, I would say that the concepts of " something missing "

or " lack " or " incomplete " do not exist.

OK Steve,

Maybe I didn't explain it clearly? And yes, it is *my* story - it

couldn't be anyone else's - and I was not selling it as the truth.

Just what I know to be true.

This understanding had come to me after reading part of a zen text,

Shobogenzo by Dogen Zenji, a 12th century Japanese Buddhist. He

wrote, " When the Dharma has not yet satisfied the body-and-mind we

feel already replete with Dharma. When the Dharma fills the body-and-

mind we feel one side to be lacking. " (The 'Dharma' being a

reference to Absolute Truth, or Consciousness, or God, or Reality.

And " one side to be lacking " I read as " something's missing. " )

How, I wondered, could it be that once the bodymind is " filled with

the Dharma " (i.e., after Realization or Awakening)...how at THAT time

could be " feel one side to be lacking. " I would have thought that

the sense of lack, of incompleteness, of insufficiency ( " something's

missing " ), would be a mental state prior to awakening, not post-

awakening.

And then I realized that each of us, every sentient being IS the

entire universe. Not metaphorically. Not poetically. Literally.

Each of us IS the whole thing. All of it. We are SO complete that

we do not lack for anything, and that, of course, means we do not

lack for lacking. The sense of lacking is part of the Whole (how

could it not be? Does not the Whole include and contain every single

thing?). Thus we, who are expressions, manifestations, of The Whole

must, perforce, also include every thing, one of which is the sense

of lacking. And we must therefore include/experience ALL aspects of

It, not just the pretty, desirable, pleasant aspects but also the

parts that we deem ugly, confused, painful. The entire catastrophe.

That's us. There's nowhere else to be.

Well...maybe that explains it better. Whether it accords with how

you see things is your business. But regardless, I enjoy your

company and am appreciative of its presence in my life.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Andy, for the explanation and the compliment. The feeling

(e.g.: story is mutual, as I enjoy your presence in my dream as well.)

Steve D.

>

> Andy,

>

> You said:

>

> " *****Of course there is something missing!

>

> You aren't complete, you aren't Whole, unless something is missing.

> The feeling of lack is present in Wholeness, else it wouldn't BE

> Whole. ;-))) "

>

> This is your story and you are welcome to it; however, I do not

> agree. Unless we are looking at your words from diffeent levels? In

> the world of the projected illusion/dream, I would agree

> that " something is missing " and that we are not complete; however,

in

> reality, I would say that the concepts of " something missing "

> or " lack " or " incomplete " do not exist.

>

>

>

> OK Steve,

>

> Maybe I didn't explain it clearly? And yes, it is *my* story - it

> couldn't be anyone else's - and I was not selling it as the truth.

> Just what I know to be true.

>

> This understanding had come to me after reading part of a zen text,

> Shobogenzo by Dogen Zenji, a 12th century Japanese Buddhist. He

> wrote, " When the Dharma has not yet satisfied the body-and-mind we

> feel already replete with Dharma. When the Dharma fills the body-

and-

> mind we feel one side to be lacking. " (The 'Dharma' being a

> reference to Absolute Truth, or Consciousness, or God, or Reality.

> And " one side to be lacking " I read as " something's missing. " )

>

> How, I wondered, could it be that once the bodymind is " filled with

> the Dharma " (i.e., after Realization or Awakening)...how at THAT

time

> could be " feel one side to be lacking. " I would have thought that

> the sense of lack, of incompleteness, of insufficiency

( " something's

> missing " ), would be a mental state prior to awakening, not post-

> awakening.

>

> And then I realized that each of us, every sentient being IS the

> entire universe. Not metaphorically. Not poetically. Literally.

> Each of us IS the whole thing. All of it. We are SO complete that

> we do not lack for anything, and that, of course, means we do not

> lack for lacking. The sense of lacking is part of the Whole (how

> could it not be? Does not the Whole include and contain every

single

> thing?). Thus we, who are expressions, manifestations, of The

Whole

> must, perforce, also include every thing, one of which is the sense

> of lacking. And we must therefore include/experience ALL aspects of

> It, not just the pretty, desirable, pleasant aspects but also the

> parts that we deem ugly, confused, painful. The entire

catastrophe.

> That's us. There's nowhere else to be.

>

> Well...maybe that explains it better. Whether it accords with how

> you see things is your business. But regardless, I enjoy your

> company and am appreciative of its presence in my life.