Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 >Also does anyone have a good starting formula for a cream rinse/hair conditioner for normal to dry hair? http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#HydroBody http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#ApricotConditioner Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 >Are there comparable alternatives (replacements) for Ceteareth-25 and Cetearyl Octanoate? The answer to your question is dependent on how Ceteareth-25 and Cetearyl Octanoate is being used, at what level they're being used at and whats wrong with using Ceteareth-25 and Cetearyl Octanoate. I'm guessing you saw these two ingredients in a formula that you would like to duplicate and you don't have a source for Ceteareth-25 and Cetearyl Octanoate and would like to find something that would be comparable. Cetereth-25 is a nonionic emulsifier with an HLB of approximately 16 to 17. Ceteareth-25 is an ethoxylated fatty alcohol. It's waxy and hard. White in color. Unfortunately, I don't believe anyone sells nonionic surfactants to homecrafters. An interesting opportunity. So, it will be difficult to find the ideal substitute. Try Emulsifying Wax NF and see what happens. Like Ceteareth-25, Cetearyl Octanoate is also derived from Cetearyl Alcohol. Cetearyl Alcohol is a blend of Cetyl Alcohol and Stearyl Alcohol. The INCI name for Cetearyl Octanoate is Cetearyl Ethylhexanoate. As I recall, it's a ver beautiful, velvety smooth emoilient. I'd try a Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride. From what I can see, Caprylic/Capric Triglycerides are the middle cut coconut oils that are being sold to home crafters. Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Maurice, Here's the formula I wanted to try: Conditioning Rinse 1.5% Cetearth-6 (and) stearyl alcohol (I have this) 1.5% Ceteareth-25 6.0% Cetearyl Octanoate 3.0% Cetearyl Alcohol (I have this) 4.0% Luviquat Mono LS (Cocotrimonium Methosulfate) I have this 0.5% Citric Acid (Have this) 2.0% Propylene Glycol (have this) qs Preservative (Have both Phenonip and DMDM) 81.5% Water qs fragrance I think I found this one on Happi's site but may have been BASF's site too (I've been to so many, that I tend to forget!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 >Here's the formula I wanted to try: > >Conditioning Rinse > >1.5% Cetearth-6 (and) stearyl alcohol (I have this) >1.5% Ceteareth-25 >6.0% Cetearyl Octanoate >3.0% Cetearyl Alcohol (I have this) >4.0% Luviquat Mono LS (Cocotrimonium Methosulfate) I have this >0.5% Citric Acid (Have this) >2.0% Propylene Glycol (have this) >qs Preservative (Have both Phenonip and DMDM) >81.5% Water >qs fragrance > >I think I found this one on Happi's site but may have been BASF's site too >(I've been to so many, that I tend to forget!) A few comments: First, there are many cosmetic formularies available online and many more available off-line directly from the individual raw material vendors. Just so that there is no misunderstanding, these formularies are designed, primarily, to sell raw materials. To me, cosmetic formulas should be effective and efficient. Quite often, the formulas found in vendor formularies are effective, seldom efficient. These cosmetic formulas demonstrate the uniqueness and the capabilities of a raw material or blend of raw materials, not necessarily the effectiveness of a formula. Second, the key ingredient in your formula is Luviquat Mono LS (Cocotrimonium Methosulfate). This is a conditioner that will attach itself to a damaged spot on the hair shaft. This is very similar to Angie's Emulsifying Conditioner (Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetearyl Alcohol) Cocotrimonium Methosulfate is based on Coconut fatty acids. Behentrimonium Methosulfate is based on Behenic Acid. I checked in the CTFA dictionary and there are 236 listings for Methosulfate. It's the fatty chain that gives the " conditioning " effect. Compare your formula with Angie's conditioner. Go to: http://www.convergentcosmetics.com/downloads/CosmeticInfo.pdf Do you see the similarities? Maurice ---------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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