RE: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf (Standards)

[Guest guest]

S-3,

Seems like your methods of detection and concerns regarding health effects are much different from those "monitoring air quality".

It might help to call the local, county/parish, and/or state health departments just to try to go on record and lodge an official nuisance complaint. Nuisance odors across property lines, regardless of toxicity, are often the domain of the state environmental regulators. If people don't let their local health authorities and politicians know there IS a problem, they are likely to believe the air testers who say there isn't.

Steve Temes

The air quality in my area is being monitored MILES from the coast. That is what they are posting the quality readings on.

I smell chemicals in the air, my eyes,, nose and mouth are burning. The air is heavy and hard to breath. I don't think it is reliable to depend on results determined from a monitoring device miles away.

Any comments on this? Of course, if the wind is blowing from the north or the east, we are spared.

>

>Alice:

>

>1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits

>(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable

>Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a

>factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have occurred

>and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available in

>the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse (NATICH)

>Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).

>

>

>2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent

>book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard Air

>Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their derived

>approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air

>quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.

>

>* Now 188

>

>3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of

>deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain

>factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point

>(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would

>need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient

>sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for

>relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal pieces

>accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.

>

>

>4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with

>very conservative factors.

>

>

>5. As a side note:

>

>In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before EPA.

>

>According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on ambient

>air quality to be published by any organization"

>Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)

>

>They included chemicals:

>

>Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead

>Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,

>n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde

>(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)

>

>Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month

>Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h and

>30 day

>Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.

>Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days

>

>Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure

>Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group

>4/15/05 Meeting.

>

>

>

>Tony

>

>......................................................................

> "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

>pH2, LLC

>5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon

>IN 46123

>www.ph2llc.com

> off

> fax

> cell

>

>90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

>consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)

>

>This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain

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[Guest guest]

You could also call your local poison control. They have received hundreds of calls, and this has been reported.

Re: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ( " Standards " )

S-3,

Seems like your methods of detection and concerns regarding health effects

are much different from those " monitoring air quality " .

It might help to call the local, county/parish, and/or state health

departments just to try to go on record and lodge an official nuisance complaint.

Nuisance odors across property lines, regardless of toxicity, are often the

domain of the state environmental regulators. If people don't let their

local health authorities and politicians know there IS a problem, they are

likely to believe the air testers who say there isn't.

Steve Temes

In a message dated 7/4/2010 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

semco_semco_semco@... writes:

> The air quality in my area is being monitored MILES from the coast. That

> is what they are posting the quality readings on.

>

> I smell chemicals in the air, my eyes,, nose and mouth are burning. The

> air is heavy and hard to breath. I don't think it is reliable to depend on

> results determined from a monitoring device miles away.

>

> Any comments on this? Of course, if the wind is blowing from the north or

> the east, we are spared.

>

>

> >

> >Alice:

> >

> >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits

> >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable

> >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a

> >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have

> occurred

> >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available

> in

> >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse

> (NATICH)

> >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).

> >

> >

> >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent

> >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard

> Air

> >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their

> derived

> >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air

> >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.

> >

> >* Now 188

> >

> >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of

> >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain

> >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point

> >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would

> >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient

> >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for

> >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal

> pieces

> >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.

> >

> >

> >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with

> >very conservative factors.

> >

> >

> >5. As a side note:

> >

> >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before

> EPA.

> >

> >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were " the first on

> ambient

> >air quality to be published by any organization "

> >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)

> >

> >They included chemicals:

> >

> >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead

> >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,

> >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde

> >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)

> >

> >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month

> >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h

> and

> >30 day

> >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.

> >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days

> >

> >Havics: Presentation " A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure

> >Standards " for AIHA Standards Development Working Group

> >4/15/05 Meeting.

> >

> >

> >

> >Tony

> >

> >......................................................................

> > " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

> >pH2, LLC

> >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon

> >IN 46123

> >www.ph2llc.com

> > off

> > fax

> > cell

> >

> >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

> >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)

> >

> >This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain

> >legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for

> >the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are

> not

> >the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you

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> of

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> or

> >distributed without this statement.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Semco, etc.:

Nearly all cell phones in use these days can give you your GPS coordinates. You can also probably get them from Google Earth or some other on-line resource. GPS coordinates are very easy to obtain. If the agency you called really wanted to be helpful, they could get your GPS location from your address.

My point was that the nuisance factor (you being affected by the chemicals/odors) is a separate issue from the toxicity issues that are often used to place a chemical exposure in the context of being "not a problem". You should be telling the authorities having jurisdiction (any and all that you can) that it is a problem (for you) and not listening to anyone who tries to tell you it isn't.

There are enough news reporters down there these days that you might be able to find a field producer with a cameraman to interview you just by calling the news networks. There aren't enough of these (your) kinds of stories about real health effects being reported, in my opinion. Hospital emergency room visits are another measure of how local people are being acutely affected.

Steve

Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")

Steve - Been there, done that. You are ask to call and 800# and they ask for your GPS coordinates. ... without your GPS coordinates, there is nothing that can be done.

> > >

> > >Alice:

> > >

> > >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits

> > >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable

> > >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a

> > >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have

> > occurred

> > >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available

> > in

> > >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse

> > (NATICH)

> > >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).

> > >

> > >

> > >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent

> > >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard

> > Air

> > >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their

> > derived

> > >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air

> > >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.

> > >

> > >* Now 188

> > >

> > >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of

> > >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain

> > >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point

> > >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would

> > >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient

> > >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for

> > >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal

> > pieces

> > >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.

> > >

> > >

> > >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with

> > >very conservative factors.

> > >

> > >

> > >5. As a side note:

> > >

> > >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before

> > EPA.

> > >

> > >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on

> > ambient

> > >air quality to be published by any organization"

> > >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)

> > >

> > >They included chemicals:

> > >

> > >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead

> > >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,

> > >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde

> > >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)

> > >

> > >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month

> > >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h

> > and

> > >30 day

> > >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.

> > >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days

> > >

> > >Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure

> > >Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group

> > >4/15/05 Meeting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Tony

> > >

> > >......................................................................

> > > "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

> > >pH2, LLC

> > >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon

> > >IN 46123

> > >www.ph2llc.com

> > > off

> > > fax

> > > cell

> > >

> > >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

> > >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)

> > >

> > >This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain

> > >legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for

> > >the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are

> > not

> > >the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you

> > >are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any

> > >attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and

> > attachments

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> > of

> > >the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied

> > or

> > >distributed without this statement.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

CA,

If you include your street address in a post, or send it to me off-board, it will take me about three minutes to look up your Lat & Long & send you the coordinates.

Chuck Reaney

---- Original Message -----

From: C A

To: iequality

Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:21 PM

Subject: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")

Steve - Been there, done that. You are ask to call and 800# and they ask for your GPS coordinates. ... without your GPS coordinates, there is nothing that can be done.> > >> > >Alice:> > >> > >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits> > >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable> > >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a> > >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have > > occurred> > >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available > > in> > >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse > > (NATICH)> > >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).> > >> > >> > >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent> > >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard > > Air> > >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their > > derived> > >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air> > >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.> > >> > >* Now 188> > >> > >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of> > >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain> > >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point> > >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would> > >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient> > >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for> > >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal > > pieces> > >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.> > >> > >> > >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with> > >very conservative factors.> > >> > >> > >5. As a side note:> > >> > >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before > > EPA.> > >> > >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on > > ambient> > >air quality to be published by any organization"> > >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)> > >> > >They included chemicals:> > >> > >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead> > >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,> > >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde> > >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)> > >> > >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month> > >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h > > and> > >30 day> > >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.> > >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days> > >> > >Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure> > >Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group> > >4/15/05 Meeting.> > >> > >> > >> > >Tony> > >> > >......................................................................> > > "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE > > >pH2, LLC > > >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon> > >IN 46123 > > >www.ph2llc.com> > > off> > > fax> > > cell> > >> > >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any> > >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)> > >> > >This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain> > >legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for> > >the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are > > not> > >the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you> > >are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any> > >attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and > > attachments> > >(including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone > > at> > >. Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person> > >other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive> > >confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only > > of> > >the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied > > or> > >distributed without this statement.> > >> > > > > >>

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You can get reasonable GPS coordinates off any large-scale state map.

Jim

Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")

Steve - Been there, done that. You are ask to call and 800# and they ask for your GPS coordinates. ... without your GPS coordinates, there is nothing that can be done.> > >> > >Alice:> > >> > >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits> > >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable> > >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a> > >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have > > occurred> > >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available > > in> > >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse > > (NATICH)> > >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).> > >> > >> > >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent> > >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard > > Air> > >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their > > derived> > >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air> > >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.> > >> > >* Now 188> > >> > >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of> > >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain> > >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point> > >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would> > >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient> > >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for> > >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal > > pieces> > >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.> > >> > >> > >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with> > >very conservative factors.> > >> > >> > >5. As a side note:> > >> > >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before > > EPA.> > >> > >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on > > ambient> > >air quality to be published by any organization"> > >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)> > >> > >They included chemicals:> > >> > >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead> > >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,> > >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde> > >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)> > >> > >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month> > >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h > > and> > >30 day> > >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.> > >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days> > >> > >Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure> > >Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group> > >4/15/05 Meeting.> > >> > >> > >> > >Tony> > >> > >......................................................................> > > "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE > > >pH2, LLC > > >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon> > >IN 46123 > > >www.ph2llc.com> > > off> > > fax> > > cell> > >> > >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any> > >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)> > >> > >This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain> > >legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for> > >the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are > > not> > >the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you> > >are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any> > >attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and > > attachments> > >(including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone > > at> > >. Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person> > >other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive> > >confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only > > of> > >the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied > > or> > >distributed without this statement.> > >> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

We don't have a local poison control board. The closest is in Atlanta as far as I know.To: iequality ; iequality Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 1:27:56 PMSubject: RE: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf

("Standards")

You could also call your local poison control. They have received hundreds of calls, and this has been reported.

Re: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")

S-3,

Seems like your methods of detection and concerns regarding health effects

are much different from those "monitoring air quality".

It might help to call the local, county/parish, and/or state health

departments just to try to go on record and lodge an official nuisance complaint.

Nuisance odors across property lines, regardless of toxicity, are often the

domain of the state environmental regulators. If people don't let their

local health authorities and politicians know there IS a problem, they are

likely to believe the air testers who say there isn't.

Steve Temes

In a message dated 7/4/2010 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

semco_semco_ semcoyahoo (DOT) com writes:

> The air quality in my area is being monitored MILES from the coast. That

> is what they are posting the quality readings on.

>

> I smell chemicals in the air, my eyes,, nose and mouth are burning. The

> air is heavy and hard to breath. I don't think it is reliable to depend on

> results determined from a monitoring device miles away.

>

> Any comments on this? Of course, if the wind is blowing from the north or

> the east, we are spared.

>

>

> >

> >Alice:

> >

> >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits

> >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable

> >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a

> >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have

> occurred

> >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available

> in

> >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse

> (NATICH)

> >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).

> >

> >

> >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent

> >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard

> Air

> >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their

> derived

> >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air

> >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.

> >

> >* Now 188

> >

> >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of

> >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain

> >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point

> >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would

> >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient

> >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for

> >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal

> pieces

> >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.

> >

> >

> >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with

> >very conservative factors.

> >

> >

> >5. As a side note:

> >

> >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before

> EPA.

> >

> >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on

> ambient

> >air quality to be published by any organization"

> >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)

> >

> >They included chemicals:

> >

> >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead

> >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,

> >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde

> >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)

> >

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I would call the closest poison control number-just so this gets formally registered somewhere.See link for closest place: http://poisonhelp.hrsa.gov/poison_center.htm I was on a conference call and someone reported the number of calls received by poson control centers in the area, so someone is keeping track of that, at least. Re: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")S-3,Seems like your methods of detection and concerns regarding health effectsare much different from those "monitoring air quality".It might help to call the local, county/parish, and/or state healthdepartments just to try to go on record and lodge an official nuisance complaint. Nuisance odors across property lines, regardless of toxicity, are often thedomain of the state environmental regulators. If people don't let theirlocal health authorities and politicians know there IS a problem, they arelikely to believe the air testers who say there isn't.Steve TemesIn a message dated 7/4/2010 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,semco_semco_ semcoyahoo (DOT) com writes:> The air quality in my area is being monitored MILES from the coast. That> is what they are posting the quality readings on.>> I smell chemicals in the air, my eyes,, nose and mouth are burning. The> air is heavy and hard to breath. I don't think it is reliable to depend on> results determined from a monitoring device miles away.>> Any comments on this? Of course, if the wind is blowing from the north or> the east, we are spared.>> > >> >Alice:> >> >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits> >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable> >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a> >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have> occurred> >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available> in> >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse> (NATICH)> >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).> >> >> >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent> >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard> Air> >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their> derived> >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air> >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.> >> >* Now 188> >> >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of> >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain> >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point> >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would> >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient> >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for> >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal> pieces> >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.> >> >> >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with> >very conservative factors.> >> >> >5. As a side note:> >> >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before> EPA.> >> >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on> ambient> >air quality to be published by any organization"> >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)> >> >They included chemicals:> >> >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead> >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,> >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde> >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)> >> >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month> >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h> and> >30 day> >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.> >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days> >> >Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure> >Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group> >4/15/05 Meeting.> >> >> >> >Tony> >> >............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ....> > "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE> >pH2, LLC> >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon> >IN 46123> >www.ph2llc.com> > off> > fax> > cell> >> >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any> >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)> >> >This message is from pH2. 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ville, will be the ticket. Thank you.We are taking water samples of various areas on our own. WE want to know what is in the water / air. As the waves white top, what ever in the water is released into the air.Strange thing we have seen is certain trees are beginning to die, or have their leaves turn brown. Magnolia trees are especially bad..We have finally gotten the list of ingredients of CorExit 9500 and 9527 (The dispersant BP is using) 2 million gallons have been used so far. The components of COREXIT 9500 and 9527 are: CAS Registry Number Chemical

Name 57-55-6 1,2-Propanediol 111-76-2 2-butoxy-Ethanol 577-11-7 Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1) 1338-43-8 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate 9005-65-6 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs. 9005-70-3 Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs 29911-28-2 2-Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy)- 64742-47-8 Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light The have also been found to contain Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide among other heavy metals Interesting. Wonder what happens when it is mixed with crude. Boat Captains have reported their Gel Coat on the boat is "melting" or turning gummy, sticky. That is strange in itself.To: iequality Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 4:29:47 PMSubject: RE: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards")

I would call the closest poison control number-just so this gets formally registered somewhere.See link for closest place:

http://poisonhelp. hrsa.gov/ poison_center. htm

I was on a conference call and someone reported the number of calls received by poson control centers in the area, so someone is keeping track of that, at least.

Re: Re: ambient air standards for VOC's in the Gulf ("Standards" )S-3,Seems like your methods of detection and concerns regarding health effectsare much different from those "monitoring air quality".It might help to call the local, county/parish, and/or state healthdepartments just to try to go on record and lodge an official nuisance complaint. Nuisance odors across property lines, regardless of toxicity, are often thedomain of the state environmental regulators. If people don't let theirlocal health authorities and politicians know there IS a problem, they arelikely to believe the air testers who say there isn't.Steve TemesIn a message dated 7/4/2010 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,semco_semco_ semcoyahoo (DOT) com writes:> The air quality in my area is being monitored MILES from the coast. That> is what they are posting the quality readings on.>> I smell chemicals in the air, my eyes,, nose and mouth are burning. The> air is heavy and hard to breath. I don't think it is reliable to depend on> results determined from a monitoring device miles away.>> Any comments on this? Of course, if the wind is blowing from the north or> the east, we are spared.>> > >> >Alice:> >> >1. Each state has defacto developed for air pollution emission permits> >(per CAA) acceptable fenceline numbers called by names like Acceptable> >Ambient Air Concentrations (AAALs), or the like. These are generally a> >factored reduction of TLVs, although changes toward #3 below have> occurred> >and continue to. An old summary of these (state and local) is available> in> >the EPA document per National Air Toxics Information Clearinghouse> (NATICH)> >Data Base (I have a hard copy at my office).> >> >> >2. Another non-gov source is Calabrese's Air Toxics Book. Excellent> >book, only a couple of issues I have with it. He gives all 189* Hazard> Air> >Pollutants (HAPs) from the Clean Air Act Amendments (CAAA) and their> derived> >approximate National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) [Ambient air> >quality Limits] using a well spelled out process.> >> >* Now 188> >> >3. EPA's Risk Assessment Guidance documents (RAGs) have ways of> >deriving appropriate public numbers. One only needs to change certain> >factors like time of exposure. Since the defaults by target point> >(carcinogen v non-carcinogen) are 30 or 70 years of exposure, these would> >need to be adjusted. This type of approach is what EPA uses for ambient> >sites and what I have used also after reviewing the RfDs and RfCs for> >relevancy. I have used them in a couple of risk assessment submittal> pieces> >accompanying testimony before the Colorado Oil & Gas Commission.> >> >> >4. Another possibility is CA EPA's limits which follow #3 above with> >very conservative factors.> >> >> >5. As a side note:> >> >In the 1960s AIHA prepared Community Air Quality Guides - well before> EPA.> >> >According to AIHA president Clyde M. Berry they were "the first on> ambient> >air quality to be published by any organization"> >Chair was D Clayton (committee also included Stokinger & Cralley)> >> >They included chemicals:> >> >Ethylene, Beryllium, Ozone, Inorganic Fluorides, Iron Oxide, Lead> >Aldehydes - Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, Acrolein, Propionaldehyde,> >n-Butyraldehyde, Isobutyraldehyde> >(Limits for: Formaldehyde, Acrolein, total aldehydes)> >> >Fluorides for 12h, 24h, 1 wk, 1 month> >Iron Oxide by location (rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 24 h> and> >30 day> >Ethylene ((rural, residential, commercial, industrial) 1 hour max.> >Lead 10 ug/m3 averaged over 30 days> >> >Havics: Presentation "A Brief Sojourn Into AIHA's Historical Exposure> >Standards" for AIHA Standards Development Working Group> >4/15/05 Meeting.> >> >> >> >Tony> >> >............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ....> > "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE> >pH2, LLC> >5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon> >IN 46123> >www.ph2llc.com> > off> > fax> > cell> >> >90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any> >consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)> >> >This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain> >legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for> >the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are> not> >the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you> >are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any> >attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and> attachments> >(including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone> at> >. Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person> >other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive> >confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only> of> >the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied> or> >distributed without this statement.> >>>>