RE: other sources -- Jan ~ Thoughts vs. feelings

[Guest guest]

Eva, is this a classic egg or chicken question? Or can it be

either way, not always one or the other? Feelings vs. thoughts I

mean. I do ask myself " Where did that thought come from? " ...

Ron

other sources -- Jan

> Hi Eva-

> I like going to other sources that compliment 's work.

Hi Jan,

thank you for the titles, I haven't read any of these yet.

Yes, I too, love reading other books that all seem to tell a

similar

story.

Have you ever read " Hello God, This is " by Fynn?

Highly recommended and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.

I've noticed a funny thing when I'm very much taken up by a

research

question (I'm involved in scientific research in psychology),

e.g. if

it's the feelings or the thoughts that come first. This issue is

not

only debated between the Sedonas and the Workers, but has been

an

issue between various brands of psychologists as well for many

years

already. When I'm really into it, when I dream about it and take

my

articles with me everywhere I go, it looks like the whole world

is

giving me clues. It seems as if everything is especially tuned

to

help develop my thoughts on the subject, and even an apple pie

recepy

or a knitting pattern can supply vital inspiration and thoughts.

There is such richness and abundance!

And then it's simply the world that I create for my own sake...

It must truely be love doing that to itself....

Love,

Eva

It's ALL

> about where you go for your identity. Have you read From

Onions to

> Pearls? This explains the process of switching identities and

also

> the " you are not the doer " very clearly. It's about

Clegg's

> experiences in jail in ville for manufacturing Ecstasy

and

his

> spiritual awakening while there because the conditions were so

bad

he

> gave up trying and found bliss. Another that clarifies

for

me

> is Just Like You (Gangaji). It's Tony Varner's story of

awakening.

>

> We are lucky to have so many teachers. ALL OF THEM saying the

same

> thing. For me I switch from one to the next to the next.

Listening

> to many takes on the same theme all arriving at the same place

opens

> me up to REALLY hearing - even Deepak Chopra's Magical Body

Magical

> Mind is fantastic.

>

> It's a beautiful life - Jan

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

My own opinion is that the two are each made up of many aspects -- it

seems to me that a thought is not just a plain thought that starts

and ends somewhere, it consists of a whole range of subthoughts and

superthoughts and pre-thoughts and post-thoughts that all tumble

about or flow into each other, so in my view " a " thought is not a

clearcut, sharply defined concept (!).

The same is true, in my opinion, of feelings, but in a somewhat

different way. There is no way, at least not that I can imagine, that

you cannot feel.. there is always something inside of you going on.

So to say that this is 'a' feeling is making a rather arbitrary

distinction between what is happening at one particular time and the

next. Feelings are felt in our whole body, and in our brains.

I think that parts of our thoughts can both elicit feelings and more

thoughts, and that parts of our feelings (and the processing of those

in our brains) can in turn elicit thoughts and more feelings, and on

and on.

So in my view it's not so much a chicken and egg issue. To me it

seems more like the harmonic interplay of a closely interconnected

system in which you try to pry apart the one instrument from the

other, something like that.

What one instrument does is reflected in the music that is being

produced. The instruments have to follow each other because they are

bound to each other, and anything that happens with the one affects

the tuning and the clarity and harmony of the whole system.

Ah well, stories on a Sunday afternoon.

Eva

> > Hi Eva-

> > I like going to other sources that compliment 's work.

>

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> thank you for the titles, I haven't read any of these yet.

>

> Yes, I too, love reading other books that all seem to tell a

> similar

> story.

> Have you ever read " Hello God, This is " by Fynn?

> Highly recommended and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.

>

> I've noticed a funny thing when I'm very much taken up by a

> research

> question (I'm involved in scientific research in psychology),

> e.g. if

> it's the feelings or the thoughts that come first. This issue is

> not

> only debated between the Sedonas and the Workers, but has been

> an

> issue between various brands of psychologists as well for many

> years

> already. When I'm really into it, when I dream about it and take

> my

> articles with me everywhere I go, it looks like the whole world

> is

> giving me clues. It seems as if everything is especially tuned

> to

> help develop my thoughts on the subject, and even an apple pie

> recepy

> or a knitting pattern can supply vital inspiration and thoughts.

>

> There is such richness and abundance!

> And then it's simply the world that I create for my own sake...

> It must truely be love doing that to itself....

>

> Love,

> Eva

>

>

>

>

> It's ALL

> > about where you go for your identity. Have you read From

> Onions to

> > Pearls? This explains the process of switching identities and

> also

> > the " you are not the doer " very clearly. It's about

> Clegg's

> > experiences in jail in ville for manufacturing Ecstasy

> and

> his

> > spiritual awakening while there because the conditions were so

> bad

> he

> > gave up trying and found bliss. Another that clarifies

> for

> me

> > is Just Like You (Gangaji). It's Tony Varner's story of

> awakening.

> >

> > We are lucky to have so many teachers. ALL OF THEM saying the

> same

> > thing. For me I switch from one to the next to the next.

> Listening

> > to many takes on the same theme all arriving at the same place

> opens

> > me up to REALLY hearing - even Deepak Chopra's Magical Body

> Magical

> > Mind is fantastic.

> >

> > It's a beautiful life - Jan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Eva (also my Grandmother's name...) for sharing what you

have learned. I often " think " that neither thoughts or emotions

are linear, zig, zag, through five dimensions....well, long drive

ahead, thanks again. Back in a week, will be too much to follow I

am sure.

Ron

Re: other sources -- Jan ~ Thoughts

vs. feelings

Hi Ron,

My own opinion is that the two are each made up of many

aspects -- it

seems to me that a thought is not just a plain thought that

starts

and ends somewhere, it consists of a whole range of subthoughts

and

superthoughts and pre-thoughts and post-thoughts that all tumble

about or flow into each other, so in my view " a " thought is not

a

clearcut, sharply defined concept (!).

The same is true, in my opinion, of feelings, but in a somewhat

different way. There is no way, at least not that I can imagine,

that

you cannot feel.. there is always something inside of you going

on.

So to say that this is 'a' feeling is making a rather arbitrary

distinction between what is happening at one particular time and

the

next. Feelings are felt in our whole body, and in our brains.

I think that parts of our thoughts can both elicit feelings and

more

thoughts, and that parts of our feelings (and the processing of

those

in our brains) can in turn elicit thoughts and more feelings,

and on

and on.

So in my view it's not so much a chicken and egg issue. To me it

seems more like the harmonic interplay of a closely

interconnected

system in which you try to pry apart the one instrument from the

other, something like that.

What one instrument does is reflected in the music that is being

produced. The instruments have to follow each other because they

are

bound to each other, and anything that happens with the one

affects

the tuning and the clarity and harmony of the whole system.

Ah well, stories on a Sunday afternoon.

Eva

> > Hi Eva-

> > I like going to other sources that compliment 's

work.

>

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> thank you for the titles, I haven't read any of these yet.

>

> Yes, I too, love reading other books that all seem to tell a

> similar

> story.

> Have you ever read " Hello God, This is " by Fynn?

> Highly recommended and I'd love to hear your thoughts about

it.

>

> I've noticed a funny thing when I'm very much taken up by a

> research

> question (I'm involved in scientific research in

psychology),

> e.g. if

> it's the feelings or the thoughts that come first. This

issue is

> not

> only debated between the Sedonas and the Workers, but has

been

> an

> issue between various brands of psychologists as well for

many

> years

> already. When I'm really into it, when I dream about it and

take

> my

> articles with me everywhere I go, it looks like the whole

world

> is

> giving me clues. It seems as if everything is especially

tuned

> to

> help develop my thoughts on the subject, and even an apple

pie

> recepy

> or a knitting pattern can supply vital inspiration and

thoughts.

>

> There is such richness and abundance!

> And then it's simply the world that I create for my own

sake...

> It must truely be love doing that to itself....

>

> Love,

> Eva

>

>

>

>

> It's ALL

> > about where you go for your identity. Have you read From

> Onions to

> > Pearls? This explains the process of switching identities

and

> also

> > the " you are not the doer " very clearly. It's about

> Clegg's

> > experiences in jail in ville for manufacturing

Ecstasy

> and

> his

> > spiritual awakening while there because the conditions

were so

> bad

> he

> > gave up trying and found bliss. Another that clarifies

> for

> me

> > is Just Like You (Gangaji). It's Tony Varner's story of

> awakening.

> >

> > We are lucky to have so many teachers. ALL OF THEM saying

the

> same

> > thing. For me I switch from one to the next to the next.

> Listening

> > to many takes on the same theme all arriving at the same

place

> opens

> > me up to REALLY hearing - even Deepak Chopra's Magical

Body

> Magical

> > Mind is fantastic.

> >

> > It's a beautiful life - Jan

>

>

>