Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Hi Brigitte, The truth is, many people are not interested in many wonderful things. The Work brings you face-to-face with he truth. Not everyone wants to know the truth. Not everyone wants to wake up. " People should be more interested in the Work " For me, the most natural turnaround would be: " I should be more interested in the Work " As you are more interested, you'll do it more on the areas you need to become more aware of. And as you transform I'm willing to bet more people will be interested just in the process of life itself. All the best, M. >I don't get it. Doesn't seem very important but since the thought >seems to always be coming back I thought I'd ask all you guys: I >find this work very very powerful. I have been doing the work for >about 1 month and have seen/am seeing such a shift in my >relationships. Incredible. > >But then, I ask myself, why isn't the Work more known? more >popular? > >I do see that people in my entourage are not all interested in >hearing me talk about the work. That's ok. I have no problem with >that. I figure I'll do my work. But I am surprised that it is not >for all.... > >When I try doing the Work on " People should be more interested in >the Work " I get as a turnaround " Parts of me are not interested in >doing the work " . mmm what could that be, I wonder? > >Any comments? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Bridget, I have found that nothing can happen, not even one second earlier, than it is ready to happen. So I guess my thoughts are that people are interested in the work but they just don't know it .yet. They are interested in finding peace...but they don't know it yet. I am interested in finding peace but I often am not ready yet. When I am ready it just happens. I called my doctor and wow, an appointment in 40 minutes! Wow, that was easy. I have been dragging my butt for months to go, there it was. Things always happen as they do so might as well notice things about them. I don't just " accept what is " I notice what is.this is how I am for now. I am not enlightened to the point where I can " accept what is " in all situations, or even many situations. I can understand how it is and oh well.but there is a part of me that loves peace, there is a part of me that feels empathy for pain that I think I have had. There is a part of me that remembers what it is like to be so confused that I can't see any other thing than what I think I see today. I am really OK with that. I not only forgive me for feeling so angry or disappointed or let down---I appreciate me for feeling all of that, not feeling anything has been far more yucky in my experience. It is interesting being human, with all those feelings, I don't have a goal to be anything other than that, as if I could!!!! <smile> April Not enlightened, no a superhuman (as if!) and not a Mafia mama!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Dear Brigette, You are asking the question that most of us have had. Utimately, you will have to ask you. :-) However, my comments follow: There are parts of us that are scared to death to know the Truth. Nothing is more fun and nothing is more scarey than self- realization. Here is what I feel is a rlevant Byron quote from the book " Losing The Moon " . " The world doesn't exist and we just come to see that clearly. It's all an illusion. It never did exist. There is no way it can exist -- - it's all the reflection of a concept attached to inside. There is No One and Nothing! It's literal. Are you ready to live without a world? Is that what you really want? Are you willing to lose the moon? " There appears to be a concept that if we allow ourselves to accept this Truth, we could lose something we want. I believe that this concept is related to the original reason that this world of illusion exists. I have done The Work on this concept because it can feel very stressful at times and I can find no proof that I could actually lose anything -- in fact, the opposite seems more likely. Anyway, that is why I believe that The Work is not more popular. I think most of us feel threatened by anything that questions our thinking. It appears that the mind's job is to be right, always. Anything that threatens our thinking seems to create a quick reaction of the mind to gather up as much proof as possible that it is right, regardless of the consequence to our peace of mind. In fact, I am absolutely amazed that it is as popular as it is now. Six years ago, almost no one had heard of it or . I believe it is spreading around the world at a very fast rate in spite of all our mind's efforts to thwart it. Love, Steve D. > I don't get it. Doesn't seem very important but since the thought > seems to always be coming back I thought I'd ask all you guys: I > find this work very very powerful. I have been doing the work for > about 1 month and have seen/am seeing such a shift in my > relationships. Incredible. > > But then, I ask myself, why isn't the Work more known? more > popular? > > I do see that people in my entourage are not all interested in > hearing me talk about the work. That's ok. I have no problem with > that. I figure I'll do my work. But I am surprised that it is not > for all.... > > > When I try doing the Work on " People should be more interested in > the Work " I get as a turnaround " Parts of me are not interested in > doing the work " . mmm what could that be, I wonder? > > Any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Bridget, I have found that nothing can happen, not even one second earlier, than it is ready to happen. *****This seems to me how it is. So I guess my thoughts are *****It's the other way around: the thoughts aren't yours. *You* are the thoughts. that people are interested in the work but they just don't know it .yet. They are interested in finding peace...but they don't know it yet. *****How do you know what is so for anyone other than you? I am interested in finding peace but I often am not ready yet. When I am ready it just happens. *****Yes. Everything just happens. Doing 'The Work' is not the causative agent of peace, which is already here, always here. I called my doctor and wow, an appointment in 40 minutes! Wow, that was easy. I have been dragging my butt for months to go, there it was. Things always happen as they do so might as well notice things about them. I don't just " accept what is " I notice what is.this is how I am for now. *****You have it backwards. In order to " accept what is " -- if that is to happen -- one must FIRST notice what is. Acceptance can only happen AFTER noticing. ;-) I am not enlightened to the point where I can " accept what is " in all situations, or even many situations. *****Who is? Look beyond the myths, behind the popularized, mass- media hype and stereotypes. I can understand how it is and oh well.but there is a part of me that loves peace, there is a part of me that feels empathy for pain that I think I have had. There is a part of me that remembers what it is like to be so confused that I can't see any other thing than what I think I see today. *****All this is probably so for most human beings. I can't know if it is so for most, but, from many conversations and dialogues, it seems a common state of being. I am really OK with that. I not only forgive me for feeling so angry or disappointed or let down---I appreciate me for feeling all of that, not feeling anything has been far more yucky in my experience. *****As I understand it, this IS acceptance of what is: the lotus growing out of the muddy water of everyday life. It is interesting being human, with all those feelings, I don't have a goal to be anything other than that, as if I could!!!! <smile> *****Sounds like peace to me! :-))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 You are asking the question that most of us have had. *****And that question may come from a misunderstanding: the notion that what we get/experience/are is directly related to what we do. Certainly sometimes it seems to be that way: e.g., I study hard and get an A on a test; I don't study and get an F. Thus I come to believe that simple causality (as in A ---> yields is how things happen. Look deeper. For each B which is yielded there are 10,000 A factors which participated in B's occuring. But the adult, human mind seems to crave or perhaps *needs* relative simplicity, perhaps to stem back the overwhelming chaos of Life. And so simple (and inaccurate) " Laws " of causality are constructed and believed. In certain areas of life they appear to hold more consistently than in others, I'll grant you that. But regarding the attainment of peace, serenity, centeredness, ... no " practice " is the single causative agent of the arising of those states in any particular mindbody organism. And no practice vibrates with the " right " frequency for all entities. Simply put, if peace, serenity, groundedness is to happen in a particular bodymind mechanism, it will happen, with or without a practice (meditation, psychotherapy, The Work, prayer). However, my comments follow: There are parts of us that are scared to death to know the Truth. Nothing is more fun and nothing is more scarey than self- realization. *****What is realized, of course, is that there is no one " home " (nor has there ever been!). Initially, this may feel like annihilation. Here is what I feel is a rlevant Byron quote from the book " Losing The Moon " . " The world doesn't exist and we just come to see that clearly. It's all an illusion. It never did exist. There is no way it can exist -- - it's all the reflection of a concept attached to inside. There is No One and Nothing! It's literal. Are you ready to live without a world? Is that what you really want? Are you willing to lose the moon? " *****I've always loved this quote. It resonates with me. But I've often wondered: as the world doesn't exist...what is this " we " that just comes to see that clearly? It's kind of like the paradox of " enlightenment " that the mystics wrote about nearly 7000 years ago: no " one " every " gets " enlightened. Enlightenment is an impersonal act which is the end of the one who would be enlightened. And here we have all these people *seeking* after enlightenment! Hahaha!!!! They want not to be! :-)))) There appears to be a concept that if we allow ourselves to accept this Truth, we could lose something we want. I believe that this concept is related to the original reason that this world of illusion exists. *****Yes, this is as it seems to me also. I have done The Work on this concept because it can feel very stressful at times and I can find no proof that I could actually lose anything -- in fact, the opposite seems more likely. *****It is very well hidden, just as the illusion is very convincing. How else could it work? It is hidden like the sky is to the birds which fly in it. Hiding in plain sight. ;-)) Anyway, that is why I believe that The Work is not more popular. I think most of us feel threatened by anything that questions our thinking. It appears that the mind's job is to be right, always. Anything that threatens our thinking seems to create a quick reaction of the mind to gather up as much proof as possible that it is right, regardless of the consequence to our peace of mind. *****Yeah. I think when one does ANY type of deep, introspective work this happens. Consult the statistics about how many people opt out of therapy when it gets too close. Speak with abbots of meditation centers about how many people back out, cease coming, when they get beyond the surface practice ( " the love affair, the honeymoon period " as it is called in many places). In this regard, I like the thoughts of Tony Parsons, a British nondual teacher, who -- like you - - says, " What we all have is a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovering. The most effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it...You just need to see that you cannot do anything to be what you already are; just open your eyes and see that this is it. Even your question is the answer to your question. " In fact, I am absolutely amazed that it is as popular as it is now. Six years ago, almost no one had heard of it or . I believe it is spreading around the world at a very fast rate in spite of all our mind's efforts to thwart it. *****This may be so. God help us! :-)))) Thank you for being here for me Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Andy you stated that I am my thoughts..yeah that sounds about right. I was hit by a drunk driver and the steering wheel went through my abdomen. I had two out of body experiences once in the ambulance and once in the ER, I coded twice and I was the person thinking but I was not looking like me, I WAS the thoughts I had. It was weird but I was not this body.so yeah, I can " buy " that one. I think I like that story! It seems to fit for now. As far as my lotus, well it gets dirty fairly often! I am not sure if it is growing out of the dirty water or just dusty! April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dear Brigitte, a comment on your TA. " People should be more interested in the work " . The direct TA would be: I should be more interested in the work. Can I find one time I wasn´t interested? Can I find one time I did not want to do the work, but something else instead? This makes me realize that people that are not interested in the work is no differerent from me when I am not interested. And I can also ask myself: Can I find something I am not interested in? When I manage to be interested in everything there is, then I can go talk to other people about interest. I don´t know if this was at any help to you, it was to me, I have had the same thoughts as you! Love, > I don't get it. Doesn't seem very important but since the thought > seems to always be coming back I thought I'd ask all you guys: I > find this work very very powerful. I have been doing the work for > about 1 month and have seen/am seeing such a shift in my > relationships. Incredible. > > But then, I ask myself, why isn't the Work more known? more > popular? > > I do see that people in my entourage are not all interested in > hearing me talk about the work. That's ok. I have no problem with > that. I figure I'll do my work. But I am surprised that it is not > for all.... > > > When I try doing the Work on " People should be more interested in > the Work " I get as a turnaround " Parts of me are not interested in > doing the work " . mmm what could that be, I wonder? > > Any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dear > Hi Brigitte, > > The truth is, many people are not interested in many wonderful > things. The Work brings you face-to-face with he truth. Not everyone > wants to know the truth. Not everyone wants to wake up. Interesting " facts " you have here! And how do you know they not already know the truth and not already are awaken? The TA for me would be: I am not interested in many wonderful things. Could be true. Tennis is a wonderful thing for many people, and I am not the slightest interested. I don´t want to know the truth. Absolutely true sometimes. I don´t want to wake up. Also true sometimes. I have no idea about others awakning. And I want to ask you, how do you feel when you think so about others? Thank you, > > " People should be more interested in the Work " > > For me, the most natural turnaround would be: > > " I should be more interested in the Work " > > As you are more interested, you'll do it more on the areas you need > to become more aware of. And as you transform I'm willing to bet more > people will be interested just in the process of life itself. > > All the best, > > M. > > > > >I don't get it. Doesn't seem very important but since the thought > >seems to always be coming back I thought I'd ask all you guys: I > >find this work very very powerful. I have been doing the work for > >about 1 month and have seen/am seeing such a shift in my > >relationships. Incredible. > > > >But then, I ask myself, why isn't the Work more known? more > >popular? > > > >I do see that people in my entourage are not all interested in > >hearing me talk about the work. That's ok. I have no problem with > >that. I figure I'll do my work. But I am surprised that it is not > >for all.... > > > >When I try doing the Work on " People should be more interested in > >the Work " I get as a turnaround " Parts of me are not interested in > >doing the work " . mmm what could that be, I wonder? > > > >Any comments? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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