RE: Re: Righteous Anger! (Vajra)

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Good example Randy! I agree with you...sometimes your thumb hurts because

you hit it with a hammer not because you carry around a story about a

painful thumb. But there's always somthing " storylike " to investigate if

that's your proclivity. For example you may want to investigate the story

about why you always hit your thumb when you use a hammer. I think people

need to lighten up about this stuff--the " Work " is not serious stuff! Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Righteous Anger! (Vajra)

>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:15:19 -0000

>

>Neo--

>

>I have been reading your and others' posts for a couple weeks now,

>and you seem to take concepts of " The Work " to such absurd extremes

>that I truly wonder if you have any thoughts of your own or whether

>you simply parrot the words of Byron all day long.

>

>Here is one of your recent statements: " I NEVER encounter another

>human being or object in the world, I just

>experience the story I am running about that person or object. "

>

>I would prefer not to be extreme in my examples, but it seems like a

>good strategy to help you understand that we live in a real world,

>not one of airy-fairy -isms. You say you NEVER encounter

>another human being or object, that you just experience the story

>blah, blah, blah. What if you step off a curb into a rushing

>truck. I guarantee you that you will have certainly encountered

>this rushing object and also that you would have no story about it

>because you would be either hurt very bad or dead. But then,

>according to you " NOTHING " could EVER hurt you. Well, I disagree.

>

>

>Here I quote you: " If I have painful feelings they are ALWAYS

>caused ONLY by the story (thoughts) I am attached to. " If you

>survive the truck collision you might have a story about it. But

>can you really be so sure that the painful feelings you have weren't

>caused by the truck?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Randyb,

> Neo--

>

> I have been reading your and others' posts for a couple weeks now,

> and you seem to take concepts of " The Work " to such absurd extremes

> that I truly wonder if you have any thoughts of your own or whether

> you simply parrot the words of Byron all day long.

Does it not seem to you that he beliefs what he says? And is

considering what he says? If so, how could it be parroting?

> Here is one of your recent statements: " I NEVER encounter another

> human being or object in the world, I just

> experience the story I am running about that person or object. "

>

> I would prefer not to be extreme in my examples, but it seems like a

> good strategy to help you understand that we live in a real world,

> not one of airy-fairy -isms. You say you NEVER encounter

> another human being or object, that you just experience the story

> blah, blah, blah. What if you step off a curb into a rushing

> truck. I guarantee you that you will have certainly encountered

> this rushing object and also that you would have no story about it

> because you would be either hurt very bad or dead. But then,

> according to you " NOTHING " could EVER hurt you. Well, I disagree.

Oh dear, please be extreme! That is what it takes sometimes to become

realized, haven't you noticed? All of this is not about the world not

being material. It is about how you interpret the material. Take death,

for instance. What is death if you leave away your interpretation. Take

a dead body, do you find death there? Can you take a microscope and

show it to us?

What about the different " leafes " ( I don't know the proper word ) of

grass? do they exist, before you look at them?

Any person is a story of yours. I'm not saying it's not a person or a

car. But don't you FIRST have a story of a person and THEN interact

with her? Imagine how far that can take you.

I remember having had some trouble understanding it, but that last

example made it clear to me.

> Here I quote you: " If I have painful feelings they are ALWAYS

> caused ONLY by the story (thoughts) I am attached to. " If you

> survive the truck collision you might have a story about it. But

> can you really be so sure that the painful feelings you have weren't

> caused by the truck?

The story begins with the " I " . And here we go, creating like god: " I

am " . " I am hurt " . " I was hurt by that stupid, bloody big car they call

a truck, because that damned driver wasn't paying enough attention

because he was drunk! If he had not drunk that much, I would be happy!

Now I am a failure, because I can not walk anymore... " and on, and on,

and on.

So, what is yours?

Love,

[Guest guest]

I was thinking along similiar lines. There is a alot of emails trying to define

one word instead of looking at overall concepts. But isn't this how we find out

more about the work?

I know I don't want to be trying to second guess what any one might take the

wrong way in my emails. Which is what I tend to do sometimes. The thought that

it might not be enlightening or clear enough for everyone.....Oh brother there

goes another worksheet..........

Doreen

Eddie Katz wrote:

I think people

need to lighten up about this stuff--the " Work " is not serious stuff! Eddie

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[Guest guest]

Dear Eddie,

> Good example Randy! I agree with you...sometimes your thumb hurts

> because

> you hit it with a hammer not because you carry around a story about a

> painful thumb.

It's not about not feeling your tumb when you hit it. I have been told

there are people who can not feel pain by doing meditation. Don't know

if that's true.

Let's play with your thumb.

There is your thumb. You hit it. What do you feel? Pain? What IS pain?

Now try to explain it to me in a way that you can KNOW I am feeling the

same as you are.

Can you ever know what pain is like for me?

I feel pulse in my thumb, it grows, it becomes red. What is the

difference between having a thumb I hit a hammer on and having a thumb

I did not hit a hammer on. Which is better? Why?

> But there's always somthing " storylike " to investigate if

> that's your proclivity. For example you may want to investigate the

> story

> about why you always hit your thumb when you use a hammer. I think

> people

> need to lighten up about this stuff--the " Work " is not serious stuff!

> Eddie

True, the work is nothing without you. It only takes you as far as you

are willing to get. Where do YOU want to go?

When I started with the work, I did not go very far. (Is that true?;-)

But it helped me to realize that the pain did not come from outside.

Now if this is true, it's a real good story. Because if I am the one

inflicting pain, I can change that, can't I?

The work is not about being spiritual, Eddie. Even if it looks to you

that way. But then, who are we to know? Guide us!

Love,