Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Dear openeyes, It seems that for the belief that her body is her doctor's business is not stressful. And it sounds like for you, it is. > I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without > checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward > with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. Perfect. That's wonderful. I'm sure would invite you to inquire into whatever is stressing you out about this. Could it be that you are thinking... If says it's true then it must be true for me. should not believe that her body is her doctor's business. Your truth should be the same as my truth. Truths should agree. can lead people astray. People should take responsibility for their bodies. Love, Heidi > Hey, Didn't anyone out there question 's statement in her book > that a person's body concerns belong to their doctor and that the > body is the doctor's business not the patient's business? (pp166) > This is still bothering me. I decide what I'll eat, if I'll smoke or > not, if I'll exercise, if I'll take a medication with potent side > effects or go the natural route, so how does that make my body the > doctors business and not mine. I live in my body, he does not. I see > it as my business. > > I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without > checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward > with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. I should > also memtion that I'm a holistic nurse and have worked with patients > who were diagnosed with " incurable " cancer. The ones that went into > remission worked hard on taking full responsibility for their bodies. > > Can any of you guys help me with this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Open Eyes, What bothers you about 's statement? It sounds as if you have a peaceful way of living. You work with patients who believe they are " their doctors " and they help themselves. I can't find an unpeaceful thought for you. You decide to work out, you decide to eat, yes, many do. I do, no stress. I eat tons of sugar, I eat sometimes pure junk food, I can be like a humming bird and my story is that those calories just burn away! LOL Sometimes I eat only veggies and fresh food for days and days, sometimes I want a big piece of meat. Sometimes I share a bottle of wine with a friend. Or sometimes I share it with me! Sometimes I notice that I am really sore after a day of physical exercise, sometimes I am not. No big deal. No thoughts of should or shouldn't. I just noticed that when I eat a certain way I only sometimes feel a certain way, not all the time! If you can make a statement that does not sound peaceful I would love to respond and help you find where you have discomfort. I am also a nurse and oh my goodness the stuff I was taught in terms of " should " and " shouldn't " . I went back for my NP and am on leave of absence. There were actually nurses who would say to one another " that patient shouldn't have died " . I would look at them and wonder what they were saying. They were educated people! The patient died. How could they believe that they " shouldn't " .they did! Of course the patient should have died! They did! What I noticed was that medical people felt somehow defensive; they made excuses and provided evidence of why it happened. It was really rather fun to watch after working with " the work " for some time. I saw how guilt, manipulation, blame and shame were used by those whose job it was to " heal " . It amazed me; I got into a funk about " medicine " . I got into a funk about nurses! Finally I realized that those sweet people were caring the way they knew how. They suffered mentally through their caring for others! Wow! I no longer felt despair and loathing for their thinking. I understood that they would think the way they did until they didn't. Whose business was I in when I thought about how nurses should or shouldn't feel, behave, act? I was in their business. That was not my job. My job is all about me! How fun is that? And when I think that a patient should or shouldn't, let me work on me first! I can help by asking questions, and noticing they will decide what they want to do. That is what medicine is about in my experience. There are consent forms. No one forces someone to do anything. They can try, in my thinking maybe, but that is a lie. At any time a patient can sign out ama. or just choose to be their own doctor. There are many forms of " doctor " . Some doctors are an " aunty " who has experience in such things, some are masseuses, some are herbalists, some are nutritionalists, some are surgeons, some all work together. What a wonderful thing " doctor " can be. What about 's statement bothers you? Lovingly, April _____ From: openeyes4444 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:39 AM To: Loving-what-is Subject: Control of one's body Hey, Didn't anyone out there question 's statement in her book that a person's body concerns belong to their doctor and that the body is the doctor's business not the patient's business? (pp166) This is still bothering me. I decide what I'll eat, if I'll smoke or not, if I'll exercise, if I'll take a medication with potent side effects or go the natural route, so how does that make my body the doctors business and not mine. I live in my body, he does not. I see it as my business. I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. I should also memtion that I'm a holistic nurse and have worked with patients who were diagnosed with " incurable " cancer. The ones that went into remission worked hard on taking full responsibility for their bodies. Can any of you guys help me with this one? _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Thank you April! > Open Eyes, > > What bothers you about 's statement? It sounds as if you have a > peaceful way of living. You work with patients who believe they are " their > doctors " and they help themselves. I can't find an unpeaceful thought for > you. > > > > You decide to work out, you decide to eat, yes, many do. I do, no stress. > I eat tons of sugar, I eat sometimes pure junk food, I can be like a humming > bird and my story is that those calories just burn away! LOL Sometimes I > eat only veggies and fresh food for days and days, sometimes I want a big > piece of meat. Sometimes I share a bottle of wine with a friend. Or > sometimes I share it with me! Sometimes I notice that I am really sore > after a day of physical exercise, sometimes I am not. No big deal. No > thoughts of should or shouldn't. I just noticed that when I eat a certain > way I only sometimes feel a certain way, not all the time! > > > > If you can make a statement that does not sound peaceful I would love to > respond and help you find where you have discomfort. > > > > I am also a nurse and oh my goodness the stuff I was taught in terms of > " should " and " shouldn't " . I went back for my NP and am on leave of > absence. There were actually nurses who would say to one another " that > patient shouldn't have died " . I would look at them and wonder what they > were saying. They were educated people! The patient died. How could they > believe that they " shouldn't " .they did! Of course the patient should have > died! They did! What I noticed was that medical people felt somehow > defensive; they made excuses and provided evidence of why it happened. It > was really rather fun to watch after working with " the work " for some time. > I saw how guilt, manipulation, blame and shame were used by those whose job > it was to " heal " . It amazed me; I got into a funk about " medicine " . I got > into a funk about nurses! Finally I realized that those sweet people were > caring the way they knew how. They suffered mentally through their caring > for others! Wow! I no longer felt despair and loathing for their thinking. > I understood that they would think the way they did until they didn't. > > > > Whose business was I in when I thought about how nurses should or shouldn't > feel, behave, act? I was in their business. That was not my job. My job > is all about me! How fun is that? And when I think that a patient should > or shouldn't, let me work on me first! I can help by asking questions, and > noticing they will decide what they want to do. That is what medicine is > about in my experience. There are consent forms. No one forces someone to > do anything. They can try, in my thinking maybe, but that is a lie. At any > time a patient can sign out ama. or just choose to be their own doctor. > > > > There are many forms of " doctor " . Some doctors are an " aunty " who has > experience in such things, some are masseuses, some are herbalists, some are > nutritionalists, some are surgeons, some all work together. What a > wonderful thing " doctor " can be. > > > > What about 's statement bothers you? > > > > Lovingly, > > April > > > > _____ > > From: openeyes4444 [mailto:openeyes4444@y...] > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:39 AM > To: Loving-what-is > Subject: Control of one's body > > > > Hey, Didn't anyone out there question 's statement in her book > that a person's body concerns belong to their doctor and that the > body is the doctor's business not the patient's business? (pp166) > This is still bothering me. I decide what I'll eat, if I'll smoke or > not, if I'll exercise, if I'll take a medication with potent side > effects or go the natural route, so how does that make my body the > doctors business and not mine. I live in my body, he does not. I see > it as my business. > > I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without > checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward > with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. I should > also memtion that I'm a holistic nurse and have worked with patients > who were diagnosed with " incurable " cancer. The ones that went into > remission worked hard on taking full responsibility for their bodies. > > Can any of you guys help me with this one? > > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 > > Hey, Didn't anyone out there question 's statement in her book > > that a person's body concerns belong to their doctor and that the > > body is the doctor's business not the patient's business? (pp166) > > This is still bothering me. I decide what I'll eat, if I'll smoke or > > not, if I'll exercise, if I'll take a medication with potent side > > effects or go the natural route, so how does that make my body the > > doctors business and not mine. I live in my body, he does not. I see > > it as my business. > > > > I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without > > checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward > > with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. I should > > also memtion that I'm a holistic nurse and have worked with patients > > who were diagnosed with " incurable " cancer. The ones that went into > > remission worked hard on taking full responsibility for their bodies. > > > > Can any of you guys help me with this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 hi openeyes, i am catching up on posts and you may have received many responses to this one in the meantime, yet here are my thoughts. to take any one statement and isolate it as something that is 'true' seems to cause problems for me. what comes to mind for me is kt's statement that the body is never the real problem, it's not about healing the body. the body is in fact a metaphor for the mind, a reflection of my thinking - it appears as a perfect reflection of my thinking/mind. so, i deal with my thoughts and the body follows perfectly. in my experience as i question my beliefs/thoughts, what i do with my body follows effortlessly - i find myself trusting my 'body' more, tuning in to it and listening - becoming a listener also means listening to the body...as my mind becomes more peaceful, i naturally do what feels good for my body. for me that is yoga, whole foods, less alcohol, adequate sleep, X-country skiiing, walking etc., it will look different for everyone. i also take a more 'natural'/alternative approach to doctors/healing. in the end tho' what happens with my body does not feel like my business...it will age, get sick perhaps, and eventually die - all as it should be. and, if i choose to work with my thinking, i may be able to experience perfect peace in the midst of whatever my bodystate is. for me, if i feel the need to go to a doctor and he tells me there is something wrong with my body, i will listen to his advice and then, as always, go inside and ask myself. i remember kt saying something about going to the doctor and him saying that there were all these cells being very active and he was calling it cancer - she called it life. something like that. the body does what it doees, and with a peaceful mind, i do a variety of things with this body. does that mean it will stay healthy? it may or may not. my thinking is the direct route to dealing with my body. i have found this to be more effective than focusing on my body. you call yourself a doctor, i listen to what you have to say, i go inside and see if i'll take your advice or not. with a peaceful mind it comes to me what to do for my body, it comes to me how to respond to anything in my life. and i never know what the outcome will be. it doesn't mean i'll stay healthy, and if i don't i can use inquiry to question any belief that something different should be happening - or not. i do question what kt says. this statement like any other must be tested against your own experience - after all, you are your own teacher/guru/healer. cheers, catherine openeyes4444 wrote: Hey, Didn't anyone out there question 's statement in her book that a person's body concerns belong to their doctor and that the body is the doctor's business not the patient's business? (pp166) This is still bothering me. I decide what I'll eat, if I'll smoke or not, if I'll exercise, if I'll take a medication with potent side effects or go the natural route, so how does that make my body the doctors business and not mine. I live in my body, he does not. I see it as my business. I guess I'm a " questioner " I rarely accept a philosophy without checking it out for myself and I'm having difficulty moving forward with The Work as long as this question goes unanswered. I should also memtion that I'm a holistic nurse and have worked with patients who were diagnosed with " incurable " cancer. The ones that went into remission worked hard on taking full responsibility for their bodies. Can any of you guys help me with this one? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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