Re: Special needs pupils are top of expulsions

[Guest guest]

Hurting animals for no reason (whether they are rats, cats, dogs,

etc.) is definitely a sign of antisocial personality disorder (APD).

It's caused by a mixture of nature and nurture. Video games can't

cause antisocial personality disorder. I think that people (NT?)

choose to get confused on this issue. The correlation actually goes

something like this...People with APD get a real rush when they see

someone hurt. They can get that rush by hurting someone themselves

or by watching it on TV/video etc. It's similar to an addict...They

just need that high. Like you, I feel sick when I watch beheadings,

rapes, etc on TV; for them it's almost orgasmic.

>

> I've been thinking for a while now about this whole issue of

violence

> portrayed in various sources and began to wonder just where does one

> draw the line? For example at present video games, violent movies

and

> music are being blamed for breeding violence. In the 80's we

> had 'vidoeo nasties'. However erradicate the aforementioned and what

> are we left with? Cartoons often depict violence - just think of Tom

> & Jerry. The news is often violent, accompanied by violent images

and

> sadly these are depictions of real life humans destroying one

another.

>

> Also I have always found it interesting that as a child that there

> were age guidlines regarding what I could watch, however I could

read

> basically anything I wanted as books did not have these guidlines. I

> was an avid reader from quite an early age. I was a member of the

> local library and I remember being quite shocked regarding the

> content of some of the books I was reading - however the book

> jacket/cover did not always give indication to the adult material

> within. Mmmmmm the line 'don't judge a book by it's cover' instantly

> springs to mind.

>

> I guess I am pondering just how far do we go?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" The people I know that hunt take pride in marksmanship or how quickly

they reached the bag limit. I've never seen or heard any of them

actually take pride in watching the animal die. "

Well, a couple of my Uncles are responsible hunters (especially one who

married into the family. He is Ojibwe/Chippewa). They won't go over the

limit and are looking for a quick clean kill. The eat what they kill

and usually mount the antlers. I don't have a problem with that.

I used to fish and had to give it up. I hauled in something like 60

fish within the proper size limit in three days (Northern Pike, Perch,

Crappy, Blue Gill) and I did not feel it was fair to the fish to keep

going on that excursion. Now I practice catch and release if I fish at

all, but I rarely go out fishing.

But then again, some of their spawn are the cretins I described

earlier, and those dolts have no respect for animals.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" With Tom and Jerry, Popeye and even the Three Stooges, you pretty

much knew the violence wasn't real and was slapstick. I mean, people

then had enough sense to know that if you hit someone in the head

with a cast iron frying pan or a hammer, you'd probably kill them,

or if you poked them in the eyes, you'd blind them, etc. "

I know I am getting back to this fairly late, however I am not 100%

sure I agree with the above and I will explain why.

When my son was a lot younger and staying over at a friends house

(who fortunately understands autism fairly well), he put a kitten in

the freezer. Fortunately the kitten was discovered before any serious

damage was done and yes it was okay. However when he was asked why he

had done such a thing he said he had seen such on a Tom and Jerry

cartoon and it was funny, therefore he wanted to surprise his friend

and make her happy. Obviously it was explained to my son the

seriousness and possible consequences of what he had done and how

cartoons were not real etc, but it is just an example that some

children do not automatically understand that cartoons etc are not

real and that mimicking such could/will have dire conseqeunces in

real life.

>

> With Tom and Jerry, Popeye and even the Three Stooges, you pretty

much knew

> the violence wasn't real and was slapstick. I mean, people then had

enough

> sense to know that if you hit someone in the head with a cast iron

frying pan or

> a hammer, you'd probably kill them, or if you poked them in the

eyes, you'd

> blind them, etc.

>

> I think the real problem came with the action movies probably in

the 1970's

> where the hero runs around shooting up everything but never takes

more than a

> flesh wound nor do any of the feature good guys get hurt either.

The music

> that I can see influencing violence is gangsta rap, because that's

all it is:

> violence and sex. Certain video games like Grand theft auto might

also

> contribute.

>

> A lot of it comes down to the individual. There is a TV series

called " Most

> Evil " which is about various kinds of evil things people have done

and study

> of the perpetrators. It is based on the work of a psychiatrist who

developed

> the rating scale. He says that generally speaking, there are three

things that

> are needed for people to do evil things.

>

> 1. A miswired brain. By that he means they are psychotic,

sociopathic,

> schizophrenic, etc.

> 2. Brain damage either suffered at birth, a childhood or later

injury,

> possibly drug use damage.

> 3. An abusive childhood.

>

> Granted there are exceptions to the rule, such as people with

normal brains

> and good upbringings that just go bad, but in the main this is what

he has

> found.

>

> I can see how this would apply to video games too. The unconscious

brain

> can't distinguish reality from fantasies of the waking mind. So in

the wrong

> brain, it could see this entertainment and games as the real world.

Over time,

> it would adjust to this " reality " and order its survival reactions

accordingly.

> I can also see this applying to high crime areas and such where

children are

> treated dismally, underfed, abused etc. That would give them the

worst of

> all three conditions. They would probably have some kind of brain

damage from

> malnutrition and abuse and they would see a very twisted version of

reality

> with lots of violence and brutality and neglect.

>

> So some people would be more susceptible to all of this than

others.

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