Re: Special needs pupils are top of expulsions

[Guest guest]

That's not really surprising. Here in the states we have "Special schools" for the real discipline problems. I don't know about SEN students though.

In a message dated 4/11/2008 3:06:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

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[Guest guest]

I find it curious and would love to know exactly what the " threatening

behavior " cited for the one kid's expulsion actually was. I say that,

because I have good reason to suspect that his " threatening behavior "

was deemed as such because he didn't react in the way all the NT's

were expecting him to act, and therefore thought he was crazy, and

therefore threatening. After all, doesn't everyone react in exactly

the same way given the same inputs? Well, that's what a lot of people

would seem to think, it seems: in 2004 when I was torturing myself by

delivering pizza full-time to try to survive, when I came out to one

of my coworkers there, she confided she had just thought I was " crazy "

because of her observations of me. I think she confided in me,

because despite thinking I was " crazy " she still liked me and

respected me: after all, how many women would freely offer a guy their

pussy(cat) ?

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> Special needs pupils are top of expulsions

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> 10 April 2008

>

> EXCLUSIVE research has revealed that the majority of pupils expelled

> from borough schools have special educational needs (SEN).

>

> A freedom of information request by the Times revealed that 78 per

> cent of pupils expelled from Greenwich schools last year were

> identified by their school as having SEN.

>

> In Bexley last year, 68 per cent of the borough's 57 expelled pupils

> were believed to have learning or emotional difficulties. This

> includes children who have statements and those identified or being

> watched for SEN under the School Action scheme.

>

> Harmon of the Woolwich Common Estate, whose son was expelled

> from two schools before being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, was

> unsurprised by the figures.

>

> The single mum, 35, said: " I'm shocked by the figures because you

> don't want it to be that high, but I'm not surprised.

>

> " It makes me feel saddened that so many other parents might be going

> through this. "

>

> Ms Harmon's son, Karl, was asked to leave Bexley's St Columba's

> School in 2003, and then was expelled from Crown Woods, Eltham, in

> 2005 for threatening behaviour.

>

> Greenwich council's Pupil Referral Unit was the only option left for

> him and his behaviour rapidly deteriorated as he copied the conduct

> of these around him.

>

> Ms Harmon said: " They knew he was special. He was academically bright

> and was moved up a year, but he was not emotionally advanced.

>

> " He was not understood. A child with Asperger Syndrome and ADHD left

> outside a classroom with just a book is asking for trouble.

>

> " As he was not disabled to look at in any way and because he was

> bright, no one seemed to think he had SEN. "

>

> The percentage of pupils with SEN getting expelled in Bexley and

> Greenwich has risen dramatically over the years.

>

> In the academic year beginning 2002, the figure stood at just 40 per

> cent in Greenwich and 44 per cent in Bexley.

>

> Last July Ms Harmon won a tribunal against Greenwich council, forcing

> them to pay for her son's education at a specialist school, leaving

> her with depression and anxiety problems.

>

> However, she fears that with so many vulnerable pupils being

> expelled, more children with serious difficulties will slip through

> the net.

>

> Greenwich Mencap worker Gila , whose child has an Autistic

> Spectrum Disorder, said: " I wouldn't say that all schools are not

> good at providing SEN support but they just don't have the resources

> in place and Greenwich council does not give them the funding to make

> it better.

>

> " There are some children that just cannot cope with mainstream

> education and are now being forced to deal with it because there is

> no alternative. So they get expelled because they are misunderstood. "

>

> " I strongly believe that they have not got the support in the schools

> that they need. "

>

> A spokesman for Greenwich council refused to comment about the

> figures but added: " By delegating resources directly to schools, head

> teachers will have the ability to intervene and fund assistance to

> children who need support, rather than have to wait sometimes for

> many weeks or months for support to be provided. "

>

> A spokesman for Bexley council said: " Bexley schools work hard to

> prevent exclusion of any child. The overall number of children

> excluded in Bexley in 2006/07 went down by 10 per cent.

>

> " The percentage of Bexley SEN children who are excluded is no higher

> than the latest national figure.

>

> " The London Borough of Bexley recognises that more work needs to be

> done and we are doing so - we have recently signed up to the national

> Every Disabled Child Matters charter and is making improvements to

> the Pupil Referral Service for children that are at risk from

> exclusion. "

>

> jules.cooper@...

>

[Guest guest]

strict wrote: " ... <snip> ... I find it curious and would love to

know exactly what the " threatening behavior " cited for the one kid's

expulsion actually was. I say that, because I have good reason to

suspect that his " threatening behavior " was deemed as such because he

didn't react in the way all the NT's were expecting him to act, and

therefore thought he was crazy, and therefore threatening ...

<snip> ... "

I doubt it was that, strict. Nowadays, anytime a school board

doesn't want to provide appropriate services and supports for a

student, all they have to do is make up a lot of stories

about 'threatening behaviour' and voila, the kid can be kicked out of

school because he or she poses a danger to other students and staff.

It's as easy as all that. It doesn't even have to be the truth. In

fact, if they really need it to have 'some' modicum of truth, all

they have to do is aggravate and terrify the child to the point of an

outburst or meltdown and the school has their 'proof.'

Terrorism in the schools isn't something that happens just between

peers. Terrorism is what school boards and their employees engage in

whenever they want to be shut of a student with special needs or shut

of the family members who advocate on behalf of the student with

special needs.

Lying isn't beneath many of these people. In fact, lying is

oftentimes the preferred method of operation.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, people are very reactionist, especially after Columbine.

[Guest guest]

Carlin had a funny skit about that. In one of his shows from the 1980's I think it was, he said something like:

Whenever someone goes crazy and kills people, everyone they press talks to says they were quiet. "Yeah, he was always real quiet and never talked to people." So in a bar, there's a guy sitting there in a corner with his beer reading a book, not bothering anyone. People in that bar are all saying, "We've got to watch out for that guy, he's quiet." While they are saying that, they are ignoring the guy banging on the bar with a machete screaming "I'm gonna kill the next (expletive, expletive) that walks in that door.

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The loud obnoxious people cause a lot more trouble than the quiet people. The only difference is that they are popular, possibly athletes or cheerleaders in school, partyboys or otherwise people society thinks are acceptable. So, because they have a status, these thugs get a free ride with all their bad behavior. But when a quiet person lashes out, that is just terrible that an outsider would imitate society.

After all: doesn't our society, particularly that aimed at teens and 20's glorifying fighting over nothing and being a bully?

The reason I mentioned Columbine is that people think a shooter mustbe withdrawn and unfamiliar, and also because in reaction some schoolpolicies became zero-tolerance policies. I remember reading a newsclipping about a student with Tourette's being suspended because agirl said she felt he was the kind of person that could do that.However, you are very right about people not bothering to understandautism. I remember some people making a real brouhaha over Novakhaving Asperger's.It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

I would also say that it is because of the treatment the quiet ones suffered at the hands of the others that they went nuts in the first place. Columbine was outsiders who were marginalized and teased by the others, even if they did asked for it a bit by their behavior. Most serial killers that I have read about or have seen TV shows about were abused often at home and at school by their peers. So in a way, the normal people make their own monsters.

In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:14:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

That's an interesting way to look at it. One quiet person out of tens of thousands goes berzerk and kills a bunch of people versus a whole lot of popular people committing frequent lesser crimes and getting away with it. Which is worse?My vote is that the popular folks are worse.AdministratorIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

That was the case with me. I was labeled a troublemaker of sorts in the lower grades. The reason for that simply was because the classes were so slow and boring. They were geared for the average kids but slowed even more for the couple of very slow (but not retarded in an way) students. One of them was indeed a troublemaker but he never got called on even the bad things like I did for getting out of line a little.

In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:37:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

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[Guest guest]

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Columbine. It has to do with

the fact that people fear what they do not understand and most people

don't care to understand what Autism really is.

It is easier to paint Autistics as being violent idiots who go off at

the drop off a hat for no reason whatsoever.

Remember that the Columbine assassins were NOT children with Autism.

Neither were the assassins in the copycat murders that happened

afterwards.

And most of the " going postal " events that happen at Post Offices are

done by NEUROTYPICAL employees and ex-employees.

Bottom line is schools see Special Needs students as being far more

effort than they are worth but these same schools and school boards

are more than happy to put their hand out to receive the additional

funding from the Education Departments and Ministries of Education.

Just as long as they don't have to actually TEACH those Special Needs

students, they're ok with claiming them within their districts.

It has nothing to do with Columbine.

Raven

Co-Administrator

>

> Unfortunately, people are very reactionist, especially after

Columbine.

>

[Guest guest]

The reason I mentioned Columbine is that people think a shooter must

be withdrawn and unfamiliar, and also because in reaction some school

policies became zero-tolerance policies. I remember reading a news

clipping about a student with Tourette's being suspended because a

girl said she felt he was the kind of person that could do that.

However, you are very right about people not bothering to understand

autism. I remember some people making a real brouhaha over Novak

having Asperger's.

[Guest guest]

" The loud obnoxious people cause a lot more trouble than the quiet

people. The only difference is that they are popular, possibly athletes

or cheerleaders in school, partyboys or otherwise people society thinks

are acceptable. "

That's an interesting way to look at it.

One quiet person out of tens of thousands goes berzerk and kills a

bunch of people versus a whole lot of popular people committing

frequent lesser crimes and getting away with it. Which is worse?

My vote is that the popular folks are worse.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

>

>

> " The loud obnoxious people cause a lot more trouble than the quiet

> people. The only difference is that they are popular, possibly

> athletes

> or cheerleaders in school, partyboys or otherwise people society

> thinks

> are acceptable. "

>

> That's an interesting way to look at it.

>

> One quiet person out of tens of thousands goes berzerk and kills a

> bunch of people versus a whole lot of popular people committing

> frequent lesser crimes and getting away with it. Which is worse?

>

> My vote is that the popular folks are worse.

>

Having gone to a school district full of " rich kids " while being from

" the wrong side of the tracks " I can wholeheartedly agree.

I find it interesting to note that the people who don't fit and don't

conform are treated in many cases like future criminals.

For instance the Crystal Lake, IL school district has a building

colloquially named " The Annex " and it's the dumping ground for the

kids that don't fit. The " bad " kids.

You have to submit to search upon entering - at least the last time I

knew someone who went there - there are metal detectors in the doors

and the doors are locked to outside access. From what I'm told

there's even armed security inside.

Now my sister and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but she's

not a bad person. They tried to send her there once because of who

she was hanging out with NOT because of her grades. Her " attitude "

wasn't right. After much ado she got a reprieve because my parents

made it a public issue with other parents.

Unfortunately the building still exists and kids are still sent

there. I wonder how many creative minds are lost because the don't

fit the mold... B-(

Mike

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Quietly waiting for Wyatt's Torch to go out...

[Guest guest]

" I wonder how many creative minds are lost because the don't

fit the mold... B-( "

Lots.

Kids get identified as rejects early on by their peers and by their

teachers and this causes problems with these kids well into adulthood.

Adults ought to know better than to deliberately single out a child

and make their lives hell because we don't like them, but teachers do

it all the time. I have seen it on many occasions.

I would say that the majority of teacher-trainees who drop out of

teaching are the ones who are fed up with seeing how other teachers

behave and how the administration condones it.

The ones who DO become teachers are ones who are willing to turn a

deaf ear to name-calling and pretend to be blind to bullying.

It sounds like I am just being grouchy here, but it's true, and I

have had a hard time convincing people of that when I have

encountered people who have needed convincing.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

>

>

> " I wonder how many creative minds are lost because the don't

> fit the mold... B-( "

>

> Lots.

>

> Kids get identified as rejects early on by their peers and by their

> teachers and this causes problems with these kids well into adulthood.

>

Been there - done that - bought the T-Shirt. ;-)

> Adults ought to know better than to deliberately single out a child

> and make their lives hell because we don't like them, but teachers do

> it all the time. I have seen it on many occasions.

>

I've learned to be...tolerant...of people who do this every so often

but when they are shown what they are doing wrong and don't change to

be better I have a _real_ problem with them.

> I would say that the majority of teacher-trainees who drop out of

> teaching are the ones who are fed up with seeing how other teachers

> behave and how the administration condones it.

>

No doubt. I've known a fair amount of " ex-teachers " or people that

didn't finish following their teaching path because of how they saw

other teachers and administrators act.

> The ones who DO become teachers are ones who are willing to turn a

> deaf ear to name-calling and pretend to be blind to bullying.

>

When I was in high school there was one science teacher who was

incredibly inventive and incredibly cool with one exception - he

would never acknowledge anyone causing serious problems in the class.

I sat at the back of that class once and had another student get up

and hit me with a yard stick openly in front of everyone. When I got

up to say something is when the teacher showed any attention and of

course said he " saw nothing " even though the smacking sound was loud

enough that it made him flinch. To this day that bothers me...

> It sounds like I am just being grouchy here, but it's true, and I

> have had a hard time convincing people of that when I have

> encountered people who have needed convincing.

>

I don't doubt that your anger is properly fueled and you are indeed

correct. Unfortunately until we start teaching kids as students

again and not statistics or " monetary resources " I doubt things will

change.

Mike

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[Guest guest]

Yea, Columbine was blamed on video games.

Like there was never any violence before video games? I thought there were

New York youth gangs a century ago. Hmmmm.

I want to see studies of video game violence influence vs. that of other

subjects. My personal experience is there is none because it is all so

fake. Movies are far more scarily realistic depiction of violence (actual

real actors & stuntmen getting hit by miniature explosives called Squibs).

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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Re: Special needs pupils are top of expulsions

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Columbine. It has to do with

the fact that people fear what they do not understand and most people

don't care to understand what Autism really is.

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[Guest guest]

" I sat at the back of that class once and had another student get up

and hit me with a yard stick openly in front of everyone. When I got

up to say something is when the teacher showed any attention and of

course said he " saw nothing " even though the smacking sound was loud

enough that it made him flinch. To this day that bothers me... "

There were a few teachers who turned a selective blind eye to bullying

when I was the subject of that bullying, so i can understand where you

are coming from.

I did have one gym teacher though who said I could hit or punch anyone

I wanted for any reason though and he would not put a stop to it though

he would stop THEM if they tried to hit me. (He knew I had been

bullied - and he had witnessed some of it). He said it in front of the

class so everyone could hear. The kids tested me and tested him to see

if he meant what he said and to see if I would really fight back. I DID

punch two different kids and one occasion each. BOY that was

liberating...until those kids just came down harder on me in different

classes, but that did not last too long either. It seemed punching them

garnered me some respect with them somehow. I guess a person has to be

pretty messed up to think that violence is something to be respected,

but that happens.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Here's the thing. How often have we heard the media interviewing

neighbours and co-workers and such of someone who has just gone on a

rampage and these people all say the same thing, " He [or she] was

such a nice person. We really liked him [or her] and well ... we

just couldn't imagine him [or her] doing anything like this. "

Lots of times.

But it's the rare time when someone 'might' have a disability that

the 'possible' disability is paraded a million times in 3 or 4 days

and everyone forgets that the far greater number of non-disability

people are usually responsible for violent crimes.

Raven

>

> The reason I mentioned Columbine is that people think a shooter must

> be withdrawn and unfamiliar, and also because in reaction some

school

> policies became zero-tolerance policies. I remember reading a news

> clipping about a student with Tourette's being suspended because a

> girl said she felt he was the kind of person that could do that.

> However, you are very right about people not bothering to understand

> autism. I remember some people making a real brouhaha over Novak

> having Asperger's.

>

[Guest guest]

wrote: " ... <snip> ... After all: doesn't our society,

particularly that aimed at teens and 20's glorifying fighting over

nothing and being a bully? ... <snip> ... "

Yep. All we have to do is look at the Top Selling video games in recent

years and interestingly enough, it's GRAND THEFT AUTO with killing of

innocent women, most females being prostitutes and whores, stealing

cars (hend the name of the game), violence against police officers and

worse. How disgusting!

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Randy wrote: " ... <snip> ... I want to see studies of video game

violence influence vs. that of other subjects. My personal experience

is there is none because it is all so fake. Movies are far more scarily

realistic depiction of violence (actual real actors & stuntmen getting

hit by miniature explosives called Squibs) ... <snip> ... "

I haven't the time tonight, but a couple years ago I posted studies and

links to studies that clearly identified that there was a direct link

between violent video games and increased violence among tweeners and

teens who played these games.

I'll hunt for those posts tomorrow and see if I can't re-post that

information for you here, Randy.

Raven

Co-Adminsitrator

[Guest guest]

I play violent video games like the Call of Duty series and some of the Dungeons and Dragons series games (Baldur's Gate I and II the best, Neverwinter nights good, Neverwinter Nights 2 good in concept stinks in execution mostly because of bad camera controls) and even one of the Hitman series games. That said, GTA was always too disgusting to consider. Its just like gangster movies: it glorified the bad guys.

But I was also referring to rap music and thus culture and there was a teen focused movie recently about a boy who joins a fight club to fight for a girl because a bully kicked his butt. You know they are even having classes for kids, young ones even, in Mixed Martial Arts like they use in Ultimate Fighter? I don't mind kids learning traditional Karate or Judo and the like because that teaches self-control and real respect. MMA is a pure pit fighting art designed only to hurt people and bad. If adults want to fight like that into he ring, fine, but kids shouldn't because its too dangerous to teach them.

Yep. All we have to do is look at the Top Selling video games in recent years and interestingly enough, it's GRAND THEFT AUTO with killing of innocent women, most females being prostitutes and whores, stealing cars (hend the name of the game), violence against police officers and worse. How disgusting!RavenCo-AdministratorIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

I think what Maurice means is that animals fight rather a lot. Most animals have a feeding territory and they will try to protect it from others of their own kind, though usually they don't bother other species in the same area. Males of most species also have to compete, often by fighting, for breeding privileges. Social animals from Hyenas to wolves to apes, have a social order and there is competition within those groups for top status, and also to NOT be the bottommost member.

Humans carry over a lot of these traits. Because we have the concept of tools and thus possessions, we fight over those too. Chimps wage war against other Chimps clans. It has even been observed that one clan hunted down another that took some of its females and killed it to the last male. Humans do this too.

Now, humans are spiritually aware, some more than others. Because of this, we know right from wrong, but that doesn't mean everyone lives up to that potential.

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Maurice. Animals, for the most part, only attack when they are threatened otherwise they are content to ignore other animals that hold no interest for them.Not so with many humans. Many humans will attack another human for the 'fun' of hurting the other person. That is very unlike the animal kingdom.RavenCo-AdministratorIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

The whole animal branch of life is messed up. We inherited the

animals' world. No wonder life defies every caring value system.

I guess a person has to be

> pretty messed up to think that violence is something to be

respected,

> but that happens.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

wrote: " I guess a person has to be pretty messed up to think

that violence is something to be respected, but that happens. "

Maurice responded: " The whole animal branch of life is messed up. We

inherited the animals' world. No wonder life defies every caring value

system. "

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Maurice. Animals, for the most

part, only attack when they are threatened otherwise they are content

to ignore other animals that hold no interest for them.

Not so with many humans. Many humans will attack another human for

the 'fun' of hurting the other person. That is very unlike the animal

kingdom.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

wrote: " ... <snip> ... But I was also referring to rap music

and thus culture ... <snip> ... "

I agree with you that rap and gangsta rap and nearly all hip hop is

violent and based on hating the ultimate degree. Disrespect of

authority and calls to violence against the police, against the

government, against women, against children, against each other -- how

can people who promote this sort of garbage live with themselves?

There isn't a month that doesn't go by where some rapper isn't either

jailed for a violent crime or a weapons offence or shot dead by a homey.

wrote: " ... <snip> ... You know they are even having classes

for kids, young ones even, in Mixed Martial Arts like they use in

Ultimate Fighter? I don't mind kids learning traditional Karate or Judo

and the like because that teaches self-control and real respect. MMA is

a pure pit fighting art designed only to hurt people and bad. If adults

want to fight like that into he ring, fine, but kids shouldn't because

its too dangerous to teach them ... <snip> ... "

That's another problem. Teaching a young child a martial art in itself

isn't a bad thing since Karato and Judo do teach self-control and

respect as you pointed out, .

Unfortunately, most of the children who are enrolled to learn martial

arts are playing video games like " Ultimate Fighter " and are unable to

separate completely fiction from reality, and they take their new-found

fighting skills into the school yard and the community and show off

how 'cool' they are -- just like in the video games -- without

realizing they are going against everything they are supposed to learn

in martial arts.

From personal observation, I have seen how calm and happy children

become aggressive, angry children when they play video games for

extended periods of time.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

In the D & D games, you sometimes kill people, but they are the "bady guys" like thieves, bandits and so on. Most of what you kill are monsters of some kind. It is possible to go attacking random people, but its not a good idea. In Baldur's Gate, you had a reputation score. If that score got low enough, merchants would stop selling to you and the "police" would constantly hassle you, maybe even kick you out of town. In the Morrowind series, it was the same. If you did bad things, the guard would come and get you and make you pay a fine or go to jail. Fighting them wasn't a good idea because they were MUCH stronger than your character, so you just need up dead.

This is in contrast from what I understand of GTA. In that game you get points for beating up or killing random people and police. It is purely about being a nasty criminal. Even the Hitman game series encouraged you to inflict minimal kills in the form of getting more points for less bloody campaigns.

I would agree that the games and movies are a symptom rather than the cause, but it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing in that both feed on each other. In the case of rap music, it is interesting to note that it originated as a way of blowing off steam to prevent violence, just as the old fad of break dancing did. Fights were supposed to be replaced by dance or rapping contests instead. Seemed to work for a while, but rap quickly degenerated into the very thug culture it was invented to try to prevent.

That's more what I understand. I have not seen GTA but it's not so much theviolence (it's just pixels and algorithms) but what is "promoted" by thegame. Not the points for killing (which my games don't have) but (somehow)showing the violence as being against real life people (not other players)and groups and glorifying the violence.It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

The rating system is very flawed. You are right that stuff that used to be a R rating, or even an X rating before that was devoted only to pornography, is down in PG-13 movies now.

The game ratings also only work so long as the parents enforce them. I have seen young children harass parents or grandparents into buying a game they were too young for. I once even observed this with a GTA game.

Another thing I remembered about the fantasy games. Most of them have Gore Rating controls that you can adjust. In Baldur's Gate, 1990's game, that didn't amount to much anyway, just if you really did a lot of damage with a kill, the target would "chunk" or explode into bits, but given the low res of the game, it was no big deal. That could be turned off though. The later games aren't much more graphic in terms of that, at least not the ones I play. In other words, you hit the target, but not a lot happens to them, they just eventually fall down dead. Call of Duty 4 is a little more graphic in that you see some spray when someone gets shot, but even that is only realistic and not too bad. At least the people don't get shredded by grenades and such.

But there are some really horrible ones out there, but I don't play them because I don't see the point and don't like gangster games. Heck, even avoid wars in the Civilization series of games when I can.

Sorry, I forgot the child versus adult thing. Most violent games, perhapsthe one I play like Half Life 2, should be banned from certain age groups.But good luck in somehow preventing the child these days from getting it andplaying it since there is SO MANY bad families out there they can get itfrom or be pushed into it.It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.