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> Yesterday I did some Christmas shopping - I picked up a little

> christmasy CD-R and card with the thought that I would fill it with

> pictures of my new house to send to nada. By the time I got it

home, I

> thought I was insane. Why would I think about doing something like

> that?? That would be an open invitation for her to come back into my

> life again!! Then I realized that it was because I was wishing I

had a

> mother to share this stuff with, the new house, the new

neighborhood,

> etc. It made me sad, but not angry or depressed, just sad. I decided

> to fill it with pictures and send it to a friend I haven't seen in a

> while.

>

Good for you in catching yourself! My hubby, two best friends, and I

have informal running lists of our " tells. " Anyway #1 top of

the " Ivory is NOT doing well today " list is " strong desire to or

action taken to voluntarily contact Nada! " HA!

Seriously though, I'm sorry you're sad. Not having a mom to share

stuff with sux.

Ivorysoap

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wow, ! There is alot of growth going on here. So glad your

dad was receptive to your advice/concern. Guess the rest of the

family is in for a shocker. How to avoid it? Wait until they have

made definite plans and then find out that you already have something

scheduled and you can't get out of it? Maybe it will become a non-

issue if there is no money coming from dad? Just be vague about the

whole thing until there is something definite that you can say no to?

Tell them that you don't enjoy the get togethers because of all the

negativity, and so you won't be participating any more?

Re the gift for nada....totally understand that. After everything,

we sometimes still try to make that connection. So sad that we

didn't have a real mom. So glad that we have ourselves, friends, and

some family that understand.

Take care,

Sylvia

>

> Hi all,

>

> I just got a note from one of my brothers - he wants to organize a

> get-together after Christmas for all the sibs (three brothers and

me).

> I feel bad because I DON'T want to get together - they are very

> negative people, some very disfunctional, and some are in regular

> contact with nada, and I just don't want that in my life. But I feel

> bad, because it's not their fault we had such disfunctional parents,

> just like it's not my fault. I barely even know my youngest

brother -

> I left the house when he was six. But how do I avoid going to this?

In

> truth, I honestly don't know how they plan to do it, anyway - none

of

> them have any money to travel - and that makes me wonder if they are

> going to ask ME for money or lodging. And that would be just a big

NO.

>

> They're also assuming dad is going to pay their way to come visit

this

> Christmas, like he has for the past few years (I live close to

dad). I

> posted about this a few weeks back, because I dread it every year

and

> was trying to come up with better alternatives to having to deal

with

> that whole thing. Well, I decided to just tell my dad how I felt

about

> it. It was hard to be honest with him, but I asked him why he does

it

> when everyone ends up being miserable (including him), and that I

> wouldn't be participating in that misery this year. I thought it had

> fallen on deaf ears, but you know what? I saw dad last weekend and

he

> said that he wouldn't be doing it this year. He said I had a good

> point, and that if they wanted to come visit us they could pay their

> own way. I was SHOCKED! But I might actually be looking forward to

> Christmas this year :).

>

> Yesterday I did some Christmas shopping - I picked up a little

> christmasy CD-R and card with the thought that I would fill it with

> pictures of my new house to send to nada. By the time I got it

home, I

> thought I was insane. Why would I think about doing something like

> that?? That would be an open invitation for her to come back into my

> life again!! Then I realized that it was because I was wishing I

had a

> mother to share this stuff with, the new house, the new

neighborhood,

> etc. It made me sad, but not angry or depressed, just sad. I decided

> to fill it with pictures and send it to a friend I haven't seen in a

> while.

>

> Anyway, I just needed to reflect on some of this stuff. Thanks for

> listening.

>

>

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> Good for you in catching yourself! My hubby, two best friends, and I

> have informal running lists of our " tells. " Anyway #1 top of

> the " Ivory is NOT doing well today " list is " strong desire to or

> action taken to voluntarily contact Nada! " HA!

That's a really good idea! I should write mine down, so I can refer to

it when I'm wondering where on earth my head is :).

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Hi Sylvia,

What I love about these suggestions is that you're telling me that

it's OK to just not respond to it, or to deal with it indirectly, like

just being unavailable. I always have such guilt associated with

keeping a low profile, as if it's unforgivable to opt not to reply

when someone says something - fond memories of nada raging to my

silence, I guess. And yet that tends to be how I react to

unpleasantness, which is exactly what this situation is. So thanks for

the validation, that these things are perfectly reasonable responses,

given things as they are.

What I'd LIKE to say is, " Let's not bother. We don't know each other,

we're not friends, our family is a trainwreck and we're just reminders

of that fact to each other. Let's go find REAL families elsewhere and

call the whole thing off. " Maybe when I'm stronger I can say something

like this. But I also wonder, if this is the case, why I still

interact with my dad? I think because my relationship to him is

superficial, because he's superficial, so there's very little risk

involved? Not sure about that one. My relationship to him still

confuses me.

But probably I'll end up just not responding to them. The FOO is

familiar with that from me, and while some resent it, it IS a boundary

(and perhaps they resent it because it's a boundary?). And I think

you're right - it's probably a non-issue. If dad was giving them a

free ride this year it might have happened, but very unlikely

otherwise. Just the idea of it makes me cringe.

Thanks :).

>

> How to avoid it? Wait until they have

> made definite plans and then find out that you already have something

> scheduled and you can't get out of it? Maybe it will become a non-

> issue if there is no money coming from dad? Just be vague about the

> whole thing until there is something definite that you can say no to?

> Tell them that you don't enjoy the get togethers because of all the

> negativity, and so you won't be participating any more?

>

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> Yesterday I did some Christmas shopping - I picked up a little

> christmasy CD-R and card with the thought that I would fill it with

> pictures of my new house to send to nada. By the time I got it

home, I

> thought I was insane. Why would I think about doing something like

> that?? That would be an open invitation for her to come back into

my

> life again!! Then I realized that it was because I was wishing I

had a

> mother to share this stuff with, the new house, the new

neighborhood,

> etc. It made me sad, but not angry or depressed, just sad. I

decided

> to fill it with pictures and send it to a friend I haven't seen in

a

> while.

>

> Anyway, I just needed to reflect on some of this stuff. Thanks for

> listening.

>

>

,

I've been having the same type of urge to send nada a gift. I

haven't talked with her in 6 months or so except a few brief emails

and I was at the farmer's market last week and saw these candies

made from dates and nada loves dates and I really wanted to buy them

and send her some. I thought I could send her a letter updating her

on my situation and a picture of me at my new house and my new job

(I am a server). So I've been thinking of sending her the gift, but

I don't really know why I want to. I guess I need to spend some

more time thinking about that. So true though- definilty don't want

to invite nada back into my life right now.

Bobby

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