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> I pride myself on

> being a very honest person(which I never felt my mom was, even

before

> I knew about BPD. At least now I can chalk it up to her disease

> instead of her character. I try to give her some breaks along the

> way. It is hard when there is so much resentment.

I think the biggest problem I've had is my mother's issue with

honesty.

She had always drilled into me that " You're only as good as your

word! " Someone that lies is about as low as you can get!!! She will

only tolerate being lied to once...and then that person is out of her

life! It doesn't matter the type of lie (little white lies meant to

spare her feelings are also included...Of course if you're bluntly

honest, that can be just as bad, lol). She once cut a friend out of

her life because when my mother asked her if she liked a new haircut,

the friend replied it looked nice. My mother later found out that

the " friend " had actually liked her old haircut better. My mother

told me she would never tolerate anyone who lied to her and would

never speak to that " friend " again (which she doesn't!). Anyway,

when I tried to explain to my mother that her friend hadn't actually

lied(her new haircut did look nice, but the old style had looked

nicer)...she couldn't understand. She kept saying she would not

tolerate anyone treating her like that!

Anyway, I always thought my mother was " brutally " honest about

EVERYTHING. It wasn't until I was 40 that my mother told me about

some huge lies she had told me as I was growing up.(She told me she

felt it was finally time for me to know the truth). I don't want to

go into detail, but let's just say that I grew up trying to live my

life to conform to these " lies " . It was as though someone

had " pulled the rug out " from under me. When I said " You mean I have

based my whole life around your lies!! " her reponse was that she had

done it for my own good !!!

It's like she will not tolerate lying. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS. But

I'm supposed to be OK with finding out all the lies she's told me.

There are never any apologies...because afterall everything she has

ever done/told me were done/told because she loves me.

If " You're only as good as your word " and then someone learns that

you've told some " major " lies...what does that make you? She simply

can't understand why I have such a hard time rationalizing what she

has done to me and why I feel I can NO LONGER TRUST anything she

says/does. When you have lost ALL respect for someone, what's left?

How can one person have 2 totally different sets of standards? One

for herself and one for everyone else. But then again I guess that

gets back into the whole issue of BPD and that vicious cycle thats so

hard to rationalize. But then again, I have to ask...is it actually

her disease or is it her character?

Sorry. Enough of my rambling.

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> I pride myself on

> being a very honest person(which I never felt my mom was, even

before

> I knew about BPD. At least now I can chalk it up to her disease

> instead of her character. I try to give her some breaks along the

> way. It is hard when there is so much resentment.

I think the biggest problem I've had is my mother's issue with

honesty.

She had always drilled into me that " You're only as good as your

word! " Someone that lies is about as low as you can get!!! She will

only tolerate being lied to once...and then that person is out of her

life! It doesn't matter the type of lie (little white lies meant to

spare her feelings are also included...Of course if you're bluntly

honest, that can be just as bad, lol). She once cut a friend out of

her life because when my mother asked her if she liked a new haircut,

the friend replied it looked nice. My mother later found out that

the " friend " had actually liked her old haircut better. My mother

told me she would never tolerate anyone who lied to her and would

never speak to that " friend " again (which she doesn't!). Anyway,

when I tried to explain to my mother that her friend hadn't actually

lied(her new haircut did look nice, but the old style had looked

nicer)...she couldn't understand. She kept saying she would not

tolerate anyone treating her like that!

Anyway, I always thought my mother was " brutally " honest about

EVERYTHING. It wasn't until I was 40 that my mother told me about

some huge lies she had told me as I was growing up.(She told me she

felt it was finally time for me to know the truth). I don't want to

go into detail, but let's just say that I grew up trying to live my

life to conform to these " lies " . It was as though someone

had " pulled the rug out " from under me. When I said " You mean I have

based my whole life around your lies!! " her reponse was that she had

done it for my own good !!!

It's like she will not tolerate lying. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS. But

I'm supposed to be OK with finding out all the lies she's told me.

There are never any apologies...because afterall everything she has

ever done/told me were done/told because she loves me.

If " You're only as good as your word " and then someone learns that

you've told some " major " lies...what does that make you? She simply

can't understand why I have such a hard time rationalizing what she

has done to me and why I feel I can NO LONGER TRUST anything she

says/does. When you have lost ALL respect for someone, what's left?

How can one person have 2 totally different sets of standards? One

for herself and one for everyone else. But then again I guess that

gets back into the whole issue of BPD and that vicious cycle thats so

hard to rationalize. But then again, I have to ask...is it actually

her disease or is it her character?

Sorry. Enough of my rambling.

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> I pride myself on

> being a very honest person(which I never felt my mom was, even

before

> I knew about BPD. At least now I can chalk it up to her disease

> instead of her character. I try to give her some breaks along the

> way. It is hard when there is so much resentment.

I think the biggest problem I've had is my mother's issue with

honesty.

She had always drilled into me that " You're only as good as your

word! " Someone that lies is about as low as you can get!!! She will

only tolerate being lied to once...and then that person is out of her

life! It doesn't matter the type of lie (little white lies meant to

spare her feelings are also included...Of course if you're bluntly

honest, that can be just as bad, lol). She once cut a friend out of

her life because when my mother asked her if she liked a new haircut,

the friend replied it looked nice. My mother later found out that

the " friend " had actually liked her old haircut better. My mother

told me she would never tolerate anyone who lied to her and would

never speak to that " friend " again (which she doesn't!). Anyway,

when I tried to explain to my mother that her friend hadn't actually

lied(her new haircut did look nice, but the old style had looked

nicer)...she couldn't understand. She kept saying she would not

tolerate anyone treating her like that!

Anyway, I always thought my mother was " brutally " honest about

EVERYTHING. It wasn't until I was 40 that my mother told me about

some huge lies she had told me as I was growing up.(She told me she

felt it was finally time for me to know the truth). I don't want to

go into detail, but let's just say that I grew up trying to live my

life to conform to these " lies " . It was as though someone

had " pulled the rug out " from under me. When I said " You mean I have

based my whole life around your lies!! " her reponse was that she had

done it for my own good !!!

It's like she will not tolerate lying. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS. But

I'm supposed to be OK with finding out all the lies she's told me.

There are never any apologies...because afterall everything she has

ever done/told me were done/told because she loves me.

If " You're only as good as your word " and then someone learns that

you've told some " major " lies...what does that make you? She simply

can't understand why I have such a hard time rationalizing what she

has done to me and why I feel I can NO LONGER TRUST anything she

says/does. When you have lost ALL respect for someone, what's left?

How can one person have 2 totally different sets of standards? One

for herself and one for everyone else. But then again I guess that

gets back into the whole issue of BPD and that vicious cycle thats so

hard to rationalize. But then again, I have to ask...is it actually

her disease or is it her character?

Sorry. Enough of my rambling.

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t00busy2 states;

>But then again, I have to ask...is it actually

>her disease or is it her character?

I have asked myself the same question many times over. I asked the

same question of my religious leader. He said he really doesn't know.

When I asked a therapist that question he said " Don't even go there.

Worry about your own salvation, not hers. " Since I can't change or

cure her I think it is good advice. What difference does it really

make. The behavior is what it is whether it is a character flaw or

the disease. The response we have to give remains the same either

way. The therapist also said I would never probably figure it all

out, but that I needed to concentrate on my own life and character and

let it go. I am trying to do that, after facing the truth of my life.

My nada's lies are mostly efforts to manipulate me or whomever. That

would be tough to have built your whole life on lies perpetuated by a

nada. And NO, I do not trust anything my nada says. I know she lies

to herself a ton and finally the lie becomes her truth so how can you

trust a person like that. They are so convincing because they really

believe the lies.

Be good to yourself, Dee

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