Re: DMSA / ALA dosage; oxygen therapy, sauna

[Guest guest]

Dear Moria,

thank you for your long answer. I have not many people to talk about

what i have to endure in the last time.

I am doing at the moment something like a self-experiment.

I am since middle of dezember on about 2 grammes of DMSA (5 x 400mg)

daily with only short pauses of alltogether 2 weeks.

To get not depleted of minerals i take every morning a high dosage

of zincorotat and trace minerals. I also substitute A,B & E vitamines

and take 2x30 BioReuRella to prevent reabsorption of the mercury; Dr.

Klinghard said it is the Chlorella product with the lowest mercury

concentration. And if i miss to take it i get bowel problems and get

more nervous. The smell sometimes indicates that i instinctively need

the Chlorella.(source http://www.bio-reu-rella.de/english/bezug.html )

I read your worrys about chlorella but for me it is sure that it

helps me.

2g DMSA equals the highest dosis of DMSA in literature described

(30mg/kg body weight daily). (I start to take it midday, so the trace

elements are allready resorbed.) I know that it is not adviced to

take DMSA longer than 3 weeks. But after i stopped (after the first 3

weeks) i got real nervous and sleeping problems. I gave me vit. B12

(3mg) intramuscular twice a day and it helped me to be okay.

So i decided not to stop DMSA treatment again, it would cause much

more symptomes than to be on DMSA.

Good to remember Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt:

" A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well with DMSA, increase

the dose or continue giving it, until the detox symptoms subside. "

( http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_mercury_detox.asp )

Since about 2 weeks i take also 1.2 grammes ALA /day (2x600mg). In

germany liponic acid is most usual as a diabetes drug and tasts not

so good because of some coloring additives.

I feel confident that the dosages i take are o.k. for me. I have

proved it by kinesiology and EAV (Electroacupuncture) and i can

determine it meanwhile by myself.

But to detox is quite exhausting. On the other hand i feel sometimes

real changes. Everything smells more intensive and everything seems

to look more intensive as if vision is improving. I feel a pull in

the jaw. And the nose becomes free like never before.

Adviced by Prof. Noel i combine my treatment now with sauna

(every second day). -yes i met him at dental-, too.

And i found an article of him in the heavymetal bulletin, 5-6,nr.2,

okt.2000,german edition (an international mercury newspaper from

Monika Kauppi,Sweden). He has treated a woman with ozonesauna

45min.,40°C,1/41pm O3, 50 gamma,daily for 3 weeks plus an

electrotherap. treatment (look at his webpage. www.smile.org.au),

both normaly used for hiv patients. And in hairanalysis droped the

mercury significantly. It shall be effective for most toxic elements

but not As,Ni,Sb. (i can scan the hairanalysis for you).

The question remains was it more the sauna, the ozone or the

electrotreatment.

It is proved that mercury will be excreted by sweat. e.g. in this

article:

Clinical response to therapeutic agents in poisoning from mercury

vapor.

Ann Clin Lab Sci 1978 Jul-Aug;8(4):259-69 (ISSN: 0091-7370)

Sunderman FW

Exposure to mercury vapors for an hour per working day over a period

of 13 years produced in a thermometer manufacturer severe signs and

symptoms of mercury poisoning. Complete disability developed

insidiously over the last six months of employment. During the first

two months of observation, the patient was treated in succession with

three chelating agents: 2,3-dimercapto-l-propanol (BAL), D-

penicillamine and sodium diethyldithiocarbamate (Dithiocarb). Each

agent was administered initially for a period of approximately two

weeks. A second course of therapy with BAL was administered for three

days. Of the three complexing agents used, BAL gave the most

dramatically favorable clinical response and yielded the highest

urinary excretions of mercury. Dithiocarb was partially effective; d-

pencillamine proved to be essentially ineffective. Analyses of the

patient's sweat indicated that appreciable amounts of mercury were

excreted by this route. Following the alleviation of the severe

symptoms by BAL, the patient was placed on a regimen of daily sweats

and physio-therapy for a protracted period of several months. On this

latter regimen, the mercury levels in the urine, blood serum and

sweat were decreased to within the normal ranges of values. The

patient made a complete and uneventful recovery. In patients

encountering psychotic and neurological disorders of undetermined

etiology, consideration should be given to unsuspected or masked

chronic exposure to mercury vapors as a possible cause.

What me makes some worry is that i seem to excrete not very much Hg :

Just 4 microgrammes in urine (was the highest of 3 tests) and onetime

20 microgrammes in stool onetime 16.

And how long detoxing could go so on.

But with such a helpful group like this it will be easier to stand.

best regards,

falko

> Dear Falko,

>

> As for the doctors in Germany being confused, well, everyone

> here is confused too, so you don't need to worry that it is

> just in Germany Doctors, patients, medical authorities,

> dentists....plenty of confusion to go around!

>

> I am not using DMSA, I am using only ALA. Andy (and others

> maybe too) thinks that ALA is the one that actually can get

> the mercury out of the brain.... and I guess this makes some

> sense to me, based on the symptoms people on the list have

> reported from using ALA. The DMSA is good for reducing some

> of the " side effects " and helps to clear the mercury out

> of the body easier--- but the ALA is needed to get the

> mercury out of the brain. Or, so I hear.

>

> Also, ALA is non-perscription, very available (at least

> here), and pretty cheap. I think it is maybe $15 for 60

> capsules (100 mg each). I take 100 mg every 3 hours

> (including at night!) for 3 days... then off for either

> 4 or 11 days, then start again. (I'm on a long break

> right now because I've been ill, but will start again soon

> I hope!) This is a " slow and steady " kind of chelation,

> which I think is the safest. How much DMSA do you take??

> I think that taking pills is safer than injections--

> as far as I know the injections are for a larger dose,

> which is bad I think. You will find on this list that

> most of the people doing chelation are using a process

> of taking pills for 3 or 4 (or even 7) days in a row,

> then taking none for a few days of " rest " . Some people

> take the pills every 3 or 4 hours and some every 8 hours.

> This is a matter of much discussion, as to which is better.

>

> So, let's see, a bottle of 60 capsules would last

> me between 2 and 3 " cycles " of chelation. I buy it at the

> health food store, it is sold as an anti-oxidant.

> Did you say $165 for 50 capsules of DMSA??

> That DOES sound expensive.

>

> Oh, you also asked if my insurance covers it. I am not

> seeing a doctor about the chelation. I don't know if

> my insurance would cover it. Actually, there is a doctor

> I went to a while back who I think *might* be good for

> ordering tests, etc, and, one reason to do this is if

> insurance would pay for the tests. I plan to look into

> this. However, insurance is always very " iffy " --- and

> it also depends on the diagnosis code that is used.

>

> As for oxygen, yes, I read all about it and find it all

> very interesting. There is a list " oxyplus " (also on

> ) that is very good. I think Prof. Noel

> writes on there once in a while. Also ozonetherapy

> (on ) which is moderated by Saul Pressman

> who is a real expert, I think. So far I don't have an

> ozone unit, but use hydrogen peroxide for all kinds of

> things and think it is great fun. Didn't I see Prof.

> on the dental group? I don't usually read it,

> but was looking at it one day last week. It sounded like

> a lot of people asking questions, with not much in the

> way of answers. I don't know anything about using ozone

> (saunas or any other form) for mercury detox. If you know

> something about this, I would be interested. I have seen

> people ask about it, but don't believe I've ever read where

> anyone knew much.

>

> best regards,

> Moria

>

> RESPONDING TO:

> Message: 22

> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:59:36 -0000

> From: f.r.@g...

> Subject: Re: source of DMSA

>

> Dear Moria,

>

> thank you for your reply.

> I have replaced my fillings allready 6 years ago (everything went

> wrong and it made me more sick than before).

> Meanwhile i got after some DMPS injections a DMPS allergy and

stopped

> soon to detox. I started again my study (pharmacy) but feel not yet

> real healthy.

> Last december i recogniced that DMSA in much higher dosage works

good

> for me.

> Max Daunderer (the german Toxicologist who made the amalgam problem

> public in Europe) recommends to take just 5mg/kg every 6 weeks !

> In some scientific publications i now find that it is possible to

> take it in cycles of weeks in doses up to 30mg/kg each day. After i

> found this group ( & the dental group) i feel much more

> optimistic that this is the right way to detox. I can´t

understand

> why no one in germany knows the right dosage for DMSA ? Is it such

a

> new knowledge ?

>

> I have a doctor who writes me a (private) perscription. And i can

buy

> DMSA in Germany (165 $/50x0.200g) but it will become very expensive

> in the long run.

> I just emailed to vrp if they ship to germany, but i am a bit

> sceptical.

> Importing something from USA is really difficult. Something ordered

> to a private person will most times be send back by the customs.

The

> other way would be to order it by a pharmacy - this will be very

> expensive (customs + farmacist can easily double the price).

>

> I asked allready a pharmaceutical wholesaler in Minneapolis, MN,

USA

> (Hawkins Pharmaceutical) for a price. He would sell it for $125.00

> USD/25g to a pharmacie.

> Perhaps i can find a fair farmacist in USA and should plan my next

> holiday trip to USA. (It would be my first time in America).

> What is your actual dosage of DMSA (/ALA) ? and does any insurance

> pay your dmsa ?

>

> I read some of your messages, you sounds to be familar with

> ozonetherapie. I read about Prof. Noel who uses ozonesauna

> for mercury detoxication. Do you know something about it - how

ozone

> can detox mercury ?

>

> greetings,

> falko

[Guest guest]

BioReuRella to prevent reabsorption of the mercury;

Mercury is not reabsorbed significantly when it is in inorganic form,

so this is not necessary. In addition chlorella is dangerous, doesn't

help with detox, and is often contaminated - I know a woman who got

dramatic increases in her bismuth levels from taking bioreurella.

Andy

[Guest guest]

> " A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well with DMSA, increase

> the dose or continue giving it, until the detox symptoms subside. "

This is a recipe for killing people. If people react poorly to a drug

one does NOT increase the dose!

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[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

okay this " tip " might be misunderstood and can not be a general rule;

but the main question is to find the optimum individual dosis and

that is not to be fixed by a formula of weight or age, it depends on

the individual degree of poisoning and the ability of excretion.

So the dosis can only be determined by testing by someone who knows

what he does (kinesiology & EAV are examples for good methods, if

used correctly) or just by trying out.

So if someone gets symptoms from the detox prozeß it is still

possible that he gets less symptoms by taking a higher dosis of

chelating drug. If it is his individual optimum dosis.

Klinghard described this phenomenon in a video about Chlorella.

He said a small dosis just mobilizes much mercury without taking

enough out of the body. Someone with high degree of poisoning needs a

higher dosis because a higher dosis takes more out of the body but

mobilizes not very much more.

Klinghard always underlines that it is important to test what is good

for the patient. He developed a kind of kinesiology. He can determine

even where the mercury is located in the body.

For me was the second part more important. So i am still permanent on

DMSA. It could be described as a " 12h on 12h of " scheme, so i have

not to wake up at night to take DMSA and i can substitute Zinc & vit.

early in the morning.

I would not suggest to someone to do the same (without testing if it

is good for him).

greetings,

falko

-- In @y..., AndyCutler@a... wrote:

> > " A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well with DMSA,

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[Guest guest]

I am very interested in Klinghard tape on chlorella, would you let me know

how to get it?

Does his protocol help you?

Thanks

mt

f.r.@... wrote:

> Dear Andy,

>

> okay this " tip " might be misunderstood and can not be a general rule;

> but the main question is to find the optimum individual dosis and

> that is not to be fixed by a formula of weight or age, it depends on

> the individual degree of poisoning and the ability of excretion.

> So the dosis can only be determined by testing by someone who knows

> what he does (kinesiology & EAV are examples for good methods, if

> used correctly) or just by trying out.

> So if someone gets symptoms from the detox prozeß it is still

> possible that he gets less symptoms by taking a higher dosis of

> chelating drug. If it is his individual optimum dosis.

> Klinghard described this phenomenon in a video about Chlorella.

> He said a small dosis just mobilizes much mercury without taking

> enough out of the body. Someone with high degree of poisoning needs a

> higher dosis because a higher dosis takes more out of the body but

> mobilizes not very much more.

> Klinghard always underlines that it is important to test what is good

> for the patient. He developed a kind of kinesiology. He can determine

> even where the mercury is located in the body.

> For me was the second part more important. So i am still permanent on

> DMSA. It could be described as a " 12h on 12h of " scheme, so i have

> not to wake up at night to take DMSA and i can substitute Zinc & vit.

> early in the morning.

> I would not suggest to someone to do the same (without testing if it

> is good for him).

> greetings,

> falko

>

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> -- In @y..., AndyCutler@a... wrote:

> > > " A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well with DMSA,

> increase

> > > the dose or continue giving it, until the detox symptoms subside. "

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[Guest guest]

---> > the main question is to find the optimum individual dosis and

> > that is not to be fixed by a formula of weight or age, it depends

on

> > the individual degree of poisoning and the ability of excretion.

> > So the dosis can only be determined by testing by someone who

knows

> > what he does (kinesiology & EAV are examples for good methods, if

> > used correctly) or just by trying out.

> > So if someone gets symptoms from the detox prozeß it is still

> > possible that he gets less symptoms by taking a higher dosis of

> > chelating drug. If it is his individual optimum dosis.

> > Klinghard described this phenomenon in a video about Chlorella.

> > He said a small dosis just mobilizes much mercury without taking

> > enough out of the body. Someone with high degree of poisoning

needs a

> > higher dosis because a higher dosis takes more out of the body but

> > mobilizes not very much more.

I do not beleive this theory is based on reality or on observation.

Many people I know of (and know) suffered permanent neurological or

psychiatric damage from trying it, yet Klinghardt claims this never

happens.

> > Klinghard always underlines that it is important to test what is

good

> > for the patient.

We do agree on this.

Andy

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