RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

[Guest guest]

Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out wrong

information. Our satisfied customers include more physician autism

specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our

turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as a

responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical

interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the treating

physician is the only person who should be evaluating the meaning of

test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in

conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations and

medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-

standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis to

their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their

family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to " let

the doctor be the doctor " . Our hearts go out to these people, as we

know that they are dealing with very difficult physical conditions

and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue to

abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to

providing quality test results while allowing the health care

practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred

patients or their family members to other physicians and other

laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current provider.

We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record straight.

A. Fields

Vice-President Administration

Doctor's Data, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Hello to the GOOD folks at Doctors Data!

First off, it is good to see that you are reading this list. THANK

YOU for taking the time to do so.

Both of my kids have been having tests run by DD. (Kira and Kendall

Lumsden).

You will see if you read the archives that my son, Kenny, is making

remarkable progress. You at DD deserve some credit for this -- after

all, if it weren't for you folks, we might still be unaware of the

toxicity issues that both of my kids are suffering from.

I am a mother who has been on the " leading edge " of biomedical

treatments for the past 5 years. I know more than my son's doctors.

In fact, there have been many situations where our roles became

reversed, and I have taught them how to read and interpret results.

Four years ago, we had a very unpleasant situation occur. One

physician referred us to another physician who was unfamiliar with

autism and its syndromes. The second physician misunderstood what we

were doing with our son, even though the first physician was well

aware and in agreement with what we were doing. Physician #2

convinced physician #1 that the treatments we were pursuing were

" inadvisable " . Two years later, BOTH physicians admitted to me that I

WAS RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. In fact, one of the physicians

admitted to another mother that he had really " dropped the ball " where

my son was concerned. WHY? Because he didn't take the time and

effort to research and figure out what was going on. (And to be fair

to that physician, he didn't have the time. With the advent of

managed care systems, and patients being herded through their offices

like cattle, they barely have time to catch their breaths.)

Now, physician #2 actually gives my name and number (with my

permission) to his patients suffering from autism. And I, in turn,

instruct these people on what to say to their doctors and how to go

about doing testing through your lab.

I think what people are trying to communicate to you is this:

This is a tough situation that we parents are in. Almost nobody wants

to help our kids in the first place (except those of us who are

parents and can empathize with others in the same situation). When we

finally manage to talk some doctor into ordering the tests for us, it

is often the case that the results which WE parents pay for, are

" lost " or misplaced at the doctor's office.

WE PARENTS are the ones who are researching, paying for, and SENDING

YOU THIS BUSINESS, NOT THE PHYSICIANS. If this were a perfect world,

that would not be the case. Unfortunately, it is not.

Your attitude is disrespectful to us, your ultimate customers. You

are also perpetuating the " doctor as god " myth. The answer to the

autism problem is coming from the PARENTS, not the physicians. Just

think for a moment about the current movement -- it was parent

generated! (Thank you, Lyn and cohorts!)

You said:

>We strongly believe that the treating physician is the only person

who should > be evaluating the meaning of test results and

prescribing treatment or > additional testing in

conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical >

examinations and medical histories of the patient.

I agree with this statement in principle. Unfortunately, there is not

ONE physician (and we've seen a lot of the big names in the autism

world) who has time to look at my son's complete history and figure it

out. Who do you suppose is putting the pieces of the puzzle together?

(I'll give you a hint -- it's not a physician!)

There are already checks and balances in place. Why do you wish to

make it harder on us parents? We have SO many brick walls placed in

front of us. Our lives are already challenging enough. Why must you

make me drive 20 minutes each way to my pediatrician's office (where I

must take my son inside and expose him to all those germs) to get a

copy of a report so I can then forward it on to Dr. Amy? (And please

don't suggest that I ask our local doc to take care of that for us --

it would never happen!)

I wish you would reconsider making things a little easier for us.

Here are some suggestions:

1) Once I have the authorization from a physician to run the tests,

PLEASE don't keep making me go back to him every 6 weeks to order

another test. We are chelating both kids, and the process is going to

take two years. We are under Dr. Amy Holmes' care, but she is in

Louisiana, and we are in North Carolina.

You have a computer. Let's just set it up with ONE authorization for

a certain number of tests. (e.g our doctor could authorize up to 10

tests to occur at 6 week intervals in one fell swoop.)

2) Since you will now have us entered into your computer as

" authorized " , please send the test kits directly to me, so I do not

have to go running to the pediatrician's office to pick them up. And

yes, I know they can order multiple kits at one time, but have you

ever tried to maneuver your way out the door with one of those huge

boxes while you are holding onto your child with autism (who happens

to be unable to understand the concept of danger and would bolt in

front of a moving car if not being held onto) as you wade through the

parking lot? (And if you think the nice nurse is going to help me,

think again!)

3) Please do me the courtesy of sending a copy of the report to me.

And when I call your office because the results have been lost at my

local doc's office, PLEASE do me the favor of sending a duplicate to

me when I request it.

4) Remember who is REALLY sending you the business.

The medical world is changing. Service providers need to recognize

this if they wish to stay in business. You may be the only show in

town now, but realize that this can change at any point in the future.

(In fact, I suspect you will have competition in the not too distant

future!)

Let's try to be PARTNERS in this endeavor!

P.S. Those of you on this list who agree with me, please let DD know!

(Cary, NC)

persistentC@...

http://www.rtphome.org/mariposa

[ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

> Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out wrong

> information. Our satisfied customers include more physician autism

> specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our

> turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as a

> responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical

> interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the treating

> physician is the only person who should be evaluating the meaning of

> test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in

> conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations and

> medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-

> standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis to

> their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their

> family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to " let

> the doctor be the doctor " . Our hearts go out to these people, as we

> know that they are dealing with very difficult physical conditions

> and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue to

> abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to

> providing quality test results while allowing the health care

> practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred

> patients or their family members to other physicians and other

> laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current provider.

> We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record straight.

>

> A. Fields

> Vice-President Administration

> Doctor's Data, Inc.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

(NOTE: Am resending this post as it did not seem to go through the first time)

Hello to the GOOD folks at Doctors Data!First off, it is good to see that you are reading this list. THANKYOU for taking the time to do so.Both of my kids have been having tests run by DD. (Kira and KendallLumsden).You will see if you read the archives that my son, Kenny, is makingremarkable progress. You at DD deserve some credit for this -- afterall, if it weren't for you folks, we might still be unaware of thetoxicity issues that both of my kids are suffering from.I am a mother who has been on the "leading edge" of biomedicaltreatments for the past 5 years. I know more than my son's doctors.In fact, there have been many situations where our roles becamereversed, and I have taught them how to read and interpret results.Four years ago, we had a very unpleasant situation occur. Onephysician referred us to another physician who was unfamiliar withautism and its syndromes. The second physician misunderstood what wewere doing with our son, even though the first physician was wellaware and in agreement with what we were doing. Physician #2convinced physician #1 that the treatments we were pursuing were"inadvisable". Two years later, BOTH physicians admitted to me that IWAS RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. In fact, one of the physiciansadmitted to another mother that he had really "dropped the ball" wheremy son was concerned. WHY? Because he didn't take the time andeffort to research and figure out what was going on. (And to be fairto that physician, he didn't have the time. With the advent ofmanaged care systems, and patients being herded through their officeslike cattle, they barely have time to catch their breaths.)Now, physician #2 actually gives my name and number (with mypermission) to his patients suffering from autism. And I, in turn,instruct these people on what to say to their doctors and how to goabout doing testing through your lab.I think what people are trying to communicate to you is this:This is a tough situation that we parents are in. Almost nobody wantsto help our kids in the first place (except those of us who areparents and can empathize with others in the same situation). When wefinally manage to talk some doctor into ordering the tests for us, itis often the case that the results which WE parents pay for, are"lost" or misplaced at the doctor's office.WE PARENTS are the ones who are researching, paying for, and SENDINGYOU THIS BUSINESS, NOT THE PHYSICIANS. If this were a perfect world,that would not be the case. Unfortunately, it is not.Your attitude is disrespectful to us, your ultimate customers. Youare also perpetuating the "doctor as god" myth. The answer to theautism problem is coming from the PARENTS, not the physicians. Justthink for a moment about the current movement -- it was parentgenerated! (Thank you, Lyn and cohorts!)You said:>We strongly believe that the treating physician is the only person who > should be evaluating the meaning of test results and prescribing treatment > or additional testing in conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical

> examinations and medical histories of the patient.I agree with this statement in principle. Unfortunately, there is notONE physician (and we've seen a lot of the big names in the autismworld) who has time to look at my son's complete history and figure itout. Who do you suppose is putting the pieces of the puzzle together?(I'll give you a hint -- it's not a physician!)There are already checks and balances in place. Why do you wish tomake it harder on us parents? We have SO many brick walls placed infront of us. Our lives are already challenging enough. Why must youmake me drive 20 minutes each way to my pediatrician's office (where Imust take my son inside and expose him to all those germs) to get acopy of a report so I can then forward it on to Dr. Amy? (And pleasedon't suggest that I ask our local doc to take care of that for us --it would never happen!)I wish you would reconsider making things a little easier for us.Here are some suggestions:1) Once I have the authorization from a physician to run the tests,PLEASE don't keep making me go back to him every 6 weeks to orderanother test. We are chelating both kids, and the process is going totake two years. We are under Dr. Amy Holmes' care, but she is inLouisiana, and we are in North Carolina.You have a computer. Let's just set it up with ONE authorization fora certain number of tests. (e.g our doctor could authorize up to 10tests to occur at 6 week intervals in one fell swoop.)2) Since you will now have us entered into your computer as"authorized", please send the test kits directly to me, so I do nothave to go running to the pediatrician's office to pick them up. Andyes, I know they can order multiple kits at one time, but have youever tried to maneuver your way out the door with one of those hugeboxes while you are holding onto your child with autism (who happensto be unable to understand the concept of danger and would bolt infront of a moving car if not being held onto) as you wade through theparking lot? (And if you think the nice nurse is going to help me,think again!)3) Please do me the courtesy of sending a copy of the report to me.And when I call your office because the results have been lost at mylocal doc's office, PLEASE do me the favor of sending a duplicate tome when I request it.4) Remember who is REALLY sending you the business.The medical world is changing. Service providers need to recognizethis if they wish to stay in business. You may be the only show intown now, but realize that this can change at any point in the future.(In fact, I suspect you will have competition in the not too distantfuture!)Let's try to be PARTNERS in this endeavor!P.S. Those of you on this list who agree with me, please let DD know! (Cary, NC)persistentC@...http://www.rtphome.org/mariposa----- Original Message -----From: <inquiries@...>< >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:06 PMSubject:: [ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

> Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out wrong> information. Our satisfied customers include more physician autism> specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our> turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as a> responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical> interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the treating> physician is the only person who should be evaluating the meaning of> test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in> conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations and> medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-> standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis to> their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their> family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to "let> the doctor be the doctor". Our hearts go out to these people, as we> know that they are dealing with very difficult physical conditions> and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue to> abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to> providing quality test results while allowing the health care> practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred> patients or their family members to other physicians and other> laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current provider.> We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record straight.>> A. Fields> Vice-President Administration> Doctor's Data, Inc.>

[Guest guest]

Hello :

Very well said. The truth lays all things bare.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:00:48 -0500 " s" <persistentC@...> writes:

(NOTE: Am resending this post as it did not seem to go through the first time)

Hello to the GOOD folks at Doctors Data!First off, it is good to see that you are reading this list. THANKYOU for taking the time to do so.Both of my kids have been having tests run by DD. (Kira and KendallLumsden).You will see if you read the archives that my son, Kenny, is makingremarkable progress. You at DD deserve some credit for this -- afterall, if it weren't for you folks, we might still be unaware of thetoxicity issues that both of my kids are suffering from.I am a mother who has been on the "leading edge" of biomedicaltreatments for the past 5 years. I know more than my son's doctors.In fact, there have been many situations where our roles becamereversed, and I have taught them how to read and interpret results.Four years ago, we had a very unpleasant situation occur. Onephysician referred us to another physician who was unfamiliar withautism and its syndromes. The second physician misunderstood what wewere doing with our son, even though the first physician was wellaware and in agreement with what we were doing. Physician #2convinced physician #1 that the treatments we were pursuing were"inadvisable". Two years later, BOTH physicians admitted to me that IWAS RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. In fact, one of the physiciansadmitted to another mother that he had really "dropped the ball" wheremy son was concerned. WHY? Because he didn't take the time andeffort to research and figure out what was going on. (And to be fairto that physician, he didn't have the time. With the advent ofmanaged care systems, and patients being herded through their officeslike cattle, they barely have time to catch their breaths.)Now, physician #2 actually gives my name and number (with mypermission) to his patients suffering from autism. And I, in turn,instruct these people on what to say to their doctors and how to goabout doing testing through your lab.I think what people are trying to communicate to you is this:This is a tough situation that we parents are in. Almost nobody wantsto help our kids in the first place (except those of us who areparents and can empathize with others in the same situation). When wefinally manage to talk some doctor into ordering the tests for us, itis often the case that the results which WE parents pay for, are"lost" or misplaced at the doctor's office.WE PARENTS are the ones who are researching, paying for, and SENDINGYOU THIS BUSINESS, NOT THE PHYSICIANS. If this were a perfect world,that would not be the case. Unfortunately, it is not.Your attitude is disrespectful to us, your ultimate customers. Youare also perpetuating the "doctor as god" myth. The answer to theautism problem is coming from the PARENTS, not the physicians. Justthink for a moment about the current movement -- it was parentgenerated! (Thank you, Lyn and cohorts!)You said:>We strongly believe that the treating physician is the only person who > should be evaluating the meaning of test results and prescribing treatment > or additional testing in conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical

> examinations and medical histories of the patient.I agree with this statement in principle. Unfortunately, there is notONE physician (and we've seen a lot of the big names in the autismworld) who has time to look at my son's complete history and figure itout. Who do you suppose is putting the pieces of the puzzle together?(I'll give you a hint -- it's not a physician!)There are already checks and balances in place. Why do you wish tomake it harder on us parents? We have SO many brick walls placed infront of us. Our lives are already challenging enough. Why must youmake me drive 20 minutes each way to my pediatrician's office (where Imust take my son inside and expose him to all those germs) to get acopy of a report so I can then forward it on to Dr. Amy? (And pleasedon't suggest that I ask our local doc to take care of that for us --it would never happen!)I wish you would reconsider making things a little easier for us.Here are some suggestions:1) Once I have the authorization from a physician to run the tests,PLEASE don't keep making me go back to him every 6 weeks to orderanother test. We are chelating both kids, and the process is going totake two years. We are under Dr. Amy Holmes' care, but she is inLouisiana, and we are in North Carolina.You have a computer. Let's just set it up with ONE authorization fora certain number of tests. (e.g our doctor could authorize up to 10tests to occur at 6 week intervals in one fell swoop.)2) Since you will now have us entered into your computer as"authorized", please send the test kits directly to me, so I do nothave to go running to the pediatrician's office to pick them up. Andyes, I know they can order multiple kits at one time, but have youever tried to maneuver your way out the door with one of those hugeboxes while you are holding onto your child with autism (who happensto be unable to understand the concept of danger and would bolt infront of a moving car if not being held onto) as you wade through theparking lot? (And if you think the nice nurse is going to help me,think again!)3) Please do me the courtesy of sending a copy of the report to me.And when I call your office because the results have been lost at mylocal doc's office, PLEASE do me the favor of sending a duplicate tome when I request it.4) Remember who is REALLY sending you the business.The medical world is changing. Service providers need to recognizethis if they wish to stay in business. You may be the only show intown now, but realize that this can change at any point in the future.(In fact, I suspect you will have competition in the not too distantfuture!)Let's try to be PARTNERS in this endeavor!P.S. Those of you on this list who agree with me, please let DD know! (Cary, NC)persistentC@...http://www.rtphome.org/mariposa----- Original Message -----From: <inquiries@...>< >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:06 PMSubject:: [ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

> Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out wrong> information. Our satisfied customers include more physician autism> specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our> turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as a> responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical> interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the treating> physician is the only person who should be evaluating the meaning of> test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in> conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations and> medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-> standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis to> their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their> family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to "let> the doctor be the doctor". Our hearts go out to these people, as we> know that they are dealing with very difficult physical conditions> and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue to> abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to> providing quality test results while allowing the health care> practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred> patients or their family members to other physicians and other> laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current provider.> We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record straight.>> A. Fields> Vice-President Administration> Doctor's Data, Inc.>

[Guest guest]

I agree, I have also requested for testing done by Doctor's Data. In a most similar manner.

I can also add, that allot of these "Doctor's", that we need to insist prescribe these tests, have pumped some of the poisons in our children. oops...was I not supposed to say that?

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:00:48 -0500 " s" <persistentC@...> writes:

(NOTE: Am resending this post as it did not seem to go through the first time)

Hello to the GOOD folks at Doctors Data!First off, it is good to see that you are reading this list. THANKYOU for taking the time to do so.Both of my kids have been having tests run by DD. (Kira and KendallLumsden).You will see if you read the archives that my son, Kenny, is makingremarkable progress. You at DD deserve some credit for this -- afterall, if it weren't for you folks, we might still be unaware of thetoxicity issues that both of my kids are suffering from.I am a mother who has been on the "leading edge" of biomedicaltreatments for the past 5 years. I know more than my son's doctors.In fact, there have been many situations where our roles becamereversed, and I have taught them how to read and interpret results.Four years ago, we had a very unpleasant situation occur. Onephysician referred us to another physician who was unfamiliar withautism and its syndromes. The second physician misunderstood what wewere doing with our son, even though the first physician was wellaware and in agreement with what we were doing. Physician #2convinced physician #1 that the treatments we were pursuing were"inadvisable". Two years later, BOTH physicians admitted to me that IWAS RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. In fact, one of the physiciansadmitted to another mother that he had really "dropped the ball" wheremy son was concerned. WHY? Because he didn't take the time andeffort to research and figure out what was going on. (And to be fairto that physician, he didn't have the time. With the advent ofmanaged care systems, and patients being herded through their officeslike cattle, they barely have time to catch their breaths.)Now, physician #2 actually gives my name and number (with mypermission) to his patients suffering from autism. And I, in turn,instruct these people on what to say to their doctors and how to goabout doing testing through your lab.I think what people are trying to communicate to you is this:This is a tough situation that we parents are in. Almost nobody wantsto help our kids in the first place (except those of us who areparents and can empathize with others in the same situation). When wefinally manage to talk some doctor into ordering the tests for us, itis often the case that the results which WE parents pay for, are"lost" or misplaced at the doctor's office.WE PARENTS are the ones who are researching, paying for, and SENDINGYOU THIS BUSINESS, NOT THE PHYSICIANS. If this were a perfect world,that would not be the case. Unfortunately, it is not.Your attitude is disrespectful to us, your ultimate customers. Youare also perpetuating the "doctor as god" myth. The answer to theautism problem is coming from the PARENTS, not the physicians. Justthink for a moment about the current movement -- it was parentgenerated! (Thank you, Lyn and cohorts!)You said:>We strongly believe that the treating physician is the only person who > should be evaluating the meaning of test results and prescribing treatment > or additional testing in conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical

> examinations and medical histories of the patient.I agree with this statement in principle. Unfortunately, there is notONE physician (and we've seen a lot of the big names in the autismworld) who has time to look at my son's complete history and figure itout. Who do you suppose is putting the pieces of the puzzle together?(I'll give you a hint -- it's not a physician!)There are already checks and balances in place. Why do you wish tomake it harder on us parents? We have SO many brick walls placed infront of us. Our lives are already challenging enough. Why must youmake me drive 20 minutes each way to my pediatrician's office (where Imust take my son inside and expose him to all those germs) to get acopy of a report so I can then forward it on to Dr. Amy? (And pleasedon't suggest that I ask our local doc to take care of that for us --it would never happen!)I wish you would reconsider making things a little easier for us.Here are some suggestions:1) Once I have the authorization from a physician to run the tests,PLEASE don't keep making me go back to him every 6 weeks to orderanother test. We are chelating both kids, and the process is going totake two years. We are under Dr. Amy Holmes' care, but she is inLouisiana, and we are in North Carolina.You have a computer. Let's just set it up with ONE authorization fora certain number of tests. (e.g our doctor could authorize up to 10tests to occur at 6 week intervals in one fell swoop.)2) Since you will now have us entered into your computer as"authorized", please send the test kits directly to me, so I do nothave to go running to the pediatrician's office to pick them up. Andyes, I know they can order multiple kits at one time, but have youever tried to maneuver your way out the door with one of those hugeboxes while you are holding onto your child with autism (who happensto be unable to understand the concept of danger and would bolt infront of a moving car if not being held onto) as you wade through theparking lot? (And if you think the nice nurse is going to help me,think again!)3) Please do me the courtesy of sending a copy of the report to me.And when I call your office because the results have been lost at mylocal doc's office, PLEASE do me the favor of sending a duplicate tome when I request it.4) Remember who is REALLY sending you the business.The medical world is changing. Service providers need to recognizethis if they wish to stay in business. You may be the only show intown now, but realize that this can change at any point in the future.(In fact, I suspect you will have competition in the not too distantfuture!)Let's try to be PARTNERS in this endeavor!P.S. Those of you on this list who agree with me, please let DD know! (Cary, NC)persistentC@...http://www.rtphome.org/mariposa----- Original Message -----From: <inquiries@...>< >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:06 PMSubject:: [ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

> Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out wrong> information. Our satisfied customers include more physician autism> specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our> turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as a> responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical> interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the treating> physician is the only person who should be evaluating the meaning of> test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in> conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations and> medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-> standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis to> their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their> family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to "let> the doctor be the doctor". Our hearts go out to these people, as we> know that they are dealing with very difficult physical conditions> and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue to> abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to> providing quality test results while allowing the health care> practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred> patients or their family members to other physicians and other> laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current provider.> We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record straight.>> A. Fields> Vice-President Administration> Doctor's Data, Inc.>

[Guest guest]

and listmates,

I understand the frustration that people go through when trying to get data shared in a timely and honest fashion. Even though I am in the business of laboratory testing, my daughter's neurologist had to be pushed hard to treat us with any respect and give us all of her data.

In defense of both the doctors and the labs, they are scared not just of lawsuits but of the government and their, at times, ridiculous regulations. They would love nothing better than to close down a lab that would dare to share info with a patient and not the doctor.

Did you know that in many instances it is a felony to give discounts for lab work above and beyond the normal posted discounts for cash payment? This is our government at work. Sad but true.

The bottom line is, we as parents and informed individuals need to help change the laws and more importantly the attitudes of our government, telling them that we not only deserve the right to be an equal partner in our health but we should be the boss and when we choose to hire a healthcare practitioner, we should have the right to see all of our information, not just what someone wants us to see. This involves tort reform, and state by state lobbying. It isn't easy, but it can be changed

[Guest guest]

Mark is right. You all need to take a step back from ranting at the

frustrating aspects of our medical system and look at the fact that

these ALL FLOW FROM CORRUPT AND EVIL LAWS!

It is against federal and state law for a lab to send you a copy of

your report. They MUST send it to the doctor. They can NOT send it

to you even if they want to. If they do, they get closed down.

It is against the law for you to order and pay for your own lab work.

You need a doc to sign off. Just another way the AMA has of looting

you.

It is against the law for the lab to talk to you about what the test

means. They are required by law to talk only to the doc. Of course,

HE has no idea what YOU want to know, so he won't figure it out and

tell you. But the law prevents you from getting on the phone with the

pathologist at the lab your doc would talk to and getting the answer

yourself.

Etc.

And, of course, the law makes it so that only the kind of people who

poisoned your kids in the first place are allowed to try to help get

them well.

These (among many others) are the laws of your land, voted in and

supported by the legislators you elected. If you want things to work

differently, talk to your legislator, not your list-mates!

Andy Cutler

> and listmates,

>

> I understand the frustration that people go through when trying to

get data shared in a timely and honest fashion. Even though I am in

the business of laboratory testing, my daughter's neurologist had to

be pushed hard to treat us with any respect and give us all of her

data.

>

> In defense of both the doctors and the labs, they are scared not

just of lawsuits but of the government and their, at times, ridiculous

regulations. They would love nothing better than to close down a lab

that would dare to share info with a patient and not the doctor.

>

> Did you know that in many instances it is a felony to give discounts

for lab work above and beyond the normal posted discounts for cash

payment? This is our government at work. Sad but true.

>

> The bottom line is, we as parents and informed individuals need to

help change the laws and more importantly the attitudes of our

government, telling them that we not only deserve the right to be an

equal partner in our health but we should be the boss and when we

choose to hire a healthcare practitioner, we should have the right to

see all of our information, not just what someone wants us to see.

This involves tort reform, and state by state lobbying. It isn't

easy, but it can be changed.

>

> Just another of my weekend rants.

>

> In health,

> Mark Schauss

> www.cellmatewellness.com

> : [ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

>

> > Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out

wrong

> > information. Our satisfied customers include more physician

autism

> > specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our

> > turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However, as

a

> > responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making clinical

> > interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the

treating

> > physician is the only person who should be evaluating the

meaning of

> > test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing in

> > conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations

and

> > medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our long-

> > standing policy to refer patients who call us for such analysis

to

> > their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or their

> > family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy to

" let

> > the doctor be the doctor " . Our hearts go out to these people,

as we

> > know that they are dealing with very difficult physical

conditions

> > and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we continue

to

> > abide by the responsible course of confining our activities to

> > providing quality test results while allowing the health care

> > practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly referred

> > patients or their family members to other physicians and other

> > laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current

provider.

> > We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record

straight.

> >

> > A. Fields

> > Vice-President Administration

> > Doctor's Data, Inc.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Andy:

Thanks for the perspective regarding this issue. We can do something

about it if we are willing to work the issue through the proper channels.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:38:33 -0000 AndyCutler@... writes:

> Mark is right. You all need to take a step back from ranting at the

>

> frustrating aspects of our medical system and look at the fact that

>

> these ALL FLOW FROM CORRUPT AND EVIL LAWS!

>

> It is against federal and state law for a lab to send you a copy of

>

> your report. They MUST send it to the doctor. They can NOT send it

>

> to you even if they want to. If they do, they get closed down.

>

> It is against the law for you to order and pay for your own lab

> work.

> You need a doc to sign off. Just another way the AMA has of looting

>

> you.

>

> It is against the law for the lab to talk to you about what the test

>

> means. They are required by law to talk only to the doc. Of

> course,

> HE has no idea what YOU want to know, so he won't figure it out and

>

> tell you. But the law prevents you from getting on the phone with

> the

> pathologist at the lab your doc would talk to and getting the answer

>

> yourself.

>

> Etc.

>

> And, of course, the law makes it so that only the kind of people who

>

> poisoned your kids in the first place are allowed to try to help get

>

> them well.

>

> These (among many others) are the laws of your land, voted in and

> supported by the legislators you elected. If you want things to

> work

> differently, talk to your legislator, not your list-mates!

>

> Andy Cutler

>

>

> > and listmates,

> >

> > I understand the frustration that people go through when trying to

>

> get data shared in a timely and honest fashion. Even though I am in

>

> the business of laboratory testing, my daughter's neurologist had to

>

> be pushed hard to treat us with any respect and give us all of her

> data.

> >

> > In defense of both the doctors and the labs, they are scared not

> just of lawsuits but of the government and their, at times,

> ridiculous

> egulations. They would love nothing better than to close down a lab

>

> that would dare to share info with a patient and not the doctor.

> >

> > Did you know that in many instances it is a felony to give

> discounts

> for lab work above and beyond the normal posted discounts for cash

>

> payment? This is our government at work. Sad but true.

> >

> > The bottom line is, we as parents and informed individuals need to

>

> help change the laws and more importantly the attitudes of our

> government, telling them that we not only deserve the right to be an

>

> equal partner in our health but we should be the boss and when we

> choose to hire a healthcare practitioner, we should have the right

> to

> see all of our information, not just what someone wants us to see.

>

> This involves tort reform, and state by state lobbying. It isn't

> easy, but it can be changed.

> >

> > Just another of my weekend rants.

> >

> > In health,

> > Mark Schauss

> > www.cellmatewellness.com

> > : [ ] RESPONSE FROM DOCTOR'S DATA

> >

> > > Doctor's Data is not rude or unhelpful and does not give out

> wrong

> > > information. Our satisfied customers include more physician

> autism

> > > specialists than any specialty laboratory in the world. Our

> > > turnaround time for lab results is second to none. However,

> as

> a

> > > responsible clinical laboratory we refrain from making

> clinical

> > > interpretations or diagnoses. We strongly believe that the

> treating

> > > physician is the only person who should be evaluating the

> meaning of

> > > test results and prescribing treatment or additional testing

> in

> > > conjunction with his or her knowledge of physical examinations

>

> and

> > > medical histories of the patient. To this end it is our

> long-

> > > standing policy to refer patients who call us for such

> analysis

> to

> > > their doctor. Sometimes we receive calls from patients or

> their

> > > family members who adamantly refuse to understand our policy

> to

> " let

> > > the doctor be the doctor " . Our hearts go out to these people,

>

> as we

> > > know that they are dealing with very difficult physical

> conditions

> > > and we fully understand their angst. Nevertheless, we

> continue

> to

> > > abide by the responsible course of confining our activities

> to

> > > providing quality test results while allowing the health care

> > > practitioner to practice medicine. We have regularly

> referred

> > > patients or their family members to other physicians and

> other

> > > laboratories if they are dissatisfied with their current

> provider.

> > > We hope that this brief commentary helps set the record

> straight.

> > >

> > > A. Fields

> > > Vice-President Administration

> > > Doctor's Data, Inc.

> > >

> >

> >

> >