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My kombucha grows by round little white circles that then grow together...

MOLD AGAIN!

Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

depressing indeed.

Namaste

Posted

Hi -

So are the little white circles very uniform and " fuzzy? " After last mold,

did you discard scobys and brew and start over from scratch? When you start

your brew are you adding 2 cups per gallon of brewed KT? And are you adding

the KT starter after adding everything else (eg. Add sweet tea, then scoby,

then top it off with starter) so the acidic starter will be on the top?

Another thing, if you've done all the above and still having mold, try

putting a solid cap on the brew. If there's mold in the environment, maybe

having a solid lid on the jar (leaving plenty of air space inside) would

keep some of the mold spores in the environment from getting into the brew.

I'm not an expert -- just making suggestions based on what I've read before.

I live in the desert Southwest in a relatively modern house with no mold so

haven't had the problem myself. Good luck.

All the best,

Dana

-----Original Message-----

From: original_kombucha

[mailto:original_kombucha ] On Behalf Of

Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

depressing indeed.

Posted

,

Regarding your second experience with mold. Lets review some ways mold can

attack your SCOBY. First and foremost is cleanliness. Then disinfect or

clean all your utensils and your brewing vessel with white vinegar. Make

certain that your hands are clean, especially under your fingernails. I

have used the thin hospital type rubber gloves when I first started. Now, I

just wash my hands thoroughly and rinse them each time I touch anything that

was not sterilized. If you have any of the batch you made that did not have

any mold, you can let some (about a cup) of it sit in a sterilized vessel or

bowl with a porous but very fine weave covering and a new SCOBY will form on

the brew you have set aside. Now you are ready to begin anew. The emphasis

is on cleanliness and preventing any mold spores in the air from having a

chance to settle on your precious KT and anything the KT will be put in.

Once you have assembled all you need to start a new batch, prepare the sweet

tea and let it cool completely, covered so that no mold spores can settle

into sweet tea. Cleanse your brewing vessel with white vinegar and also

clean anything you will use to put the SCOBY and starter into the brewing

vessel. Put the tea into the brewing vessel making sure you don't leave it

uncovered any longer than absolutely necessary. At this stage your brew is

especially vulnerable to mold. Put in the SCOBY and then gently pour the

starter on top of the brew. It doesn't matter if the SCOBY sinks at this

stage. Pouring the starter in slowly insures that the top of the brew is

acidic enough to resist mold. Whatever you use to cover your brewing vessel

must be porous enough to allow air to get into the brewing vessel and yet

not allow mold spores to fall through the covering. I use two gallon glass

jars that my wife obtained from Big Lots as my brewing vessels. The opening

at the top is about six inches. My wife located some large coffee filters

at SAMs that fit nicely over the top of the jars and I can turn down about

an inch of filter material all around the jar opening. I secure it with a

large rubber band. It takes a few tries but you can get the hang of

spreading the rubber band with your fingers of both hands and then letting

it slip over your fingers and around the top of the jar. I have found

coffee filters to be the best. I keep them in a big zip loc bag with the

inside always down so no mold ever gets a change to settle on the surface

that will be toward the brewing KT. I had to discard several filters when

my wife tried to help me by handing me the coffee filter. She blew on then

to separate them. I know that others have been successful with using

various cloths over their brewing KT. If you do that you must find a way to

sterilize it and make sure that the surface that will be facing the brewing

KT is never exposed so that mold spores can settle on it and later shake

loose and fall into your brewing KT.

Good luck and Happy brewing

_____

From: original_kombucha

[mailto:original_kombucha ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:49 PM

To: original_kombucha

Subject: MOLD AGAIN!

Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

depressing indeed.

Namaste

Posted

hang on

some of my scobies form like that..

looks like white circles on top of the scoby already there..

not a problem

NOT MOULD

all fine

don't throw it away, it's ok

carry on

sian :o))

wrote:

Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

depressing indeed.

Namaste

Posted

Make sure your acidity is correct

About 10% kt liquid per batch

Also make sure the old t bags mouly areas are out of the area

Also cover with a fine clean cloth that breathes to avoid contamination

Miq

wrote:

>Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

>good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

>of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

>don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

>the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

>depressing indeed.

>

>Namaste

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Posted

, are the dots or circles fyzzy or furry? If not, the white dots

are normal.

/bengt

wrote:

>Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

> >good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

> >of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

> >don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

> >the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

> >depressing indeed.

> >

> >Namaste

> >

Posted

They are fuzzy and now turning green....I'm pretty sure its mold... :(

Namaste

>

> >Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

>

> > >good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

> > >of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

> > >don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

> > >the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

> > >depressing indeed.

> > >

> > >Namaste

> > >

>

Posted

Ok, say a little prair and send them to the god's. Better luck next time!

/bengt

wrote:

> They are fuzzy and now turning green....I'm pretty sure its mold... :(

Posted

Hi heather,

A few suggestions from someone who has dealt with moldy indoor air

environments for a living...

If you have any visible greying of walls, ceilings, or black spotty

areas, do yourself a favor and wash the room out with a bleach(check

for colorfastness first of course) or other home anti-fungal

treatments good for indoors. Baking soda works well if you can't use

bleach. spray or scrub it and let sit for 10 minutes+

Another great source of moldy air is surprisingly your central air

system. make sure filters are clean and vents are vaccuumed as far in

as you can see.

Also, if you can see any dryrot stains(found near very wet or damp

areas usually constantly wet or leaks) check under the washer and even

the water drain under your refrigerator.

Alot of molds can come into the house in draft, etc. but the mold you

need to worry about are the molds that come from inside the house. to

make mold you need 2 things, damp and warm. without these you cannot

have mold, period. Any powerful oxidiser will kill those molds andf

fungus. Hydrogen peroxide is strong but has a short standing life.

Bleach is good but it will fade colors and noxious fumes.

Hope this can help. If there is mold growing in your scoby, then most

likely it's affecting you also.

Jaimye

Posted

We are MOVING!!! We have been thinking about it, but now its just

settled. This apartment complex is terrible, the windows are so bad

and moldy, they are old and they perspire so mold grows around it, it

seems they just keep painting over it whenever someone new moves

in....they tried to tell us it was just mildew and like suckers we

believed them, but now seeing what is going on with the Kombucha it's

settled, we are going to call the health board too and notify them of

the terrible living conditions here before we go, its very low income

and i hate to see so many other people living this way. I have

noticed since i moved here feeling more tired and grumpy...maybe thats

part of it, who knows.

Thanks for all the advice....i'll let you know when I can get her up

and running again.

Namaste!

>

> Hi,

>

> Bleach is chlorine and it is very dangerous to use in your home -

they used

> to kill people with chlorine gas in WWI.

> If you have mold, use an ozone generator and go visit elsewhere

while it

> does its thing. If that doesn't work, either rip out the walls or

tear the

> house down. Mold can grow inside the walls, carpeting (especially the

> backing), almost anywhere.

> C.

> Re: MOLD AGAIN!

>

>

> >

> > Hi heather,

> >

> > A few suggestions from someone who has dealt with moldy indoor air

> > environments for a living...

> >

> > If you have any visible greying of walls, ceilings, or black spotty

> > areas, do yourself a favor and wash the room out with a bleach(check

> > for colorfastness first of course) or other home anti-fungal

> > treatments good for indoors. Baking soda works well if you can't use

> > bleach. spray or scrub it and let sit for 10 minutes+

> >

> > Another great source of moldy air is surprisingly your central air

> > system. make sure filters are clean and vents are vaccuumed as far in

> > as you can see.

> >

> > Also, if you can see any dryrot stains(found near very wet or damp

> > areas usually constantly wet or leaks) check under the washer and even

> > the water drain under your refrigerator.

> >

> > Alot of molds can come into the house in draft, etc. but the mold you

> > need to worry about are the molds that come from inside the house. to

> > make mold you need 2 things, damp and warm. without these you cannot

> > have mold, period. Any powerful oxidiser will kill those molds andf

> > fungus. Hydrogen peroxide is strong but has a short standing life.

> > Bleach is good but it will fade colors and noxious fumes.

> >

> > Hope this can help. If there is mold growing in your scoby, then most

> > likely it's affecting you also.

> >

> > Jaimye

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Posted

There's a big difference between chlorine gas(cl2) and sodium

hypochlorite in bleach(3% aq solution by volume generally)

Bleach is effective sometimes for years. the fumes last days. the

fix is $5. Choice is yours.

May want to check to see if you have a good vapor barrier under the

house also.

Jaimye

Posted

It probably is just mildew. That's the problem.

That black stuff is asperigillus. It's poison. There's a book about

that and other environmental pollutants and their affects on humans.

It's called " Is this your child " I forget the author. One of the

anecdotes I read in it was about Asperigillus.

A school in New mexico(I believe) was having a problem with the

students. 33% of the children attending the school were taking

rittalin. They did a mold culture in the school and found 200

colonies of this mold that most labs would have been alarmed at 2.

It's a good idea to get out of there, but it's a better idea to call

your local health department. You may be saving someone's life and

for sure extending many it if the problem is fixed for a community

like that.

Today it's well known that " unknown respiratory illness " is in the top

5 illnesses in the USA.

Jaimye

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Bleach is chlorine and it is very dangerous to use in your home -

> they used

> > to kill people with chlorine gas in WWI.

> > If you have mold, use an ozone generator and go visit elsewhere

> while it

> > does its thing. If that doesn't work, either rip out the walls or

> tear the

> > house down. Mold can grow inside the walls, carpeting (especially the

> > backing), almost anywhere.

> > C.

> > Re: MOLD AGAIN!

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi heather,

> > >

> > > A few suggestions from someone who has dealt with moldy indoor air

> > > environments for a living...

> > >

> > > If you have any visible greying of walls, ceilings, or black spotty

> > > areas, do yourself a favor and wash the room out with a bleach(check

> > > for colorfastness first of course) or other home anti-fungal

> > > treatments good for indoors. Baking soda works well if you

can't use

> > > bleach. spray or scrub it and let sit for 10 minutes+

> > >

> > > Another great source of moldy air is surprisingly your central air

> > > system. make sure filters are clean and vents are vaccuumed as

far in

> > > as you can see.

> > >

> > > Also, if you can see any dryrot stains(found near very wet or damp

> > > areas usually constantly wet or leaks) check under the washer

and even

> > > the water drain under your refrigerator.

> > >

> > > Alot of molds can come into the house in draft, etc. but the

mold you

> > > need to worry about are the molds that come from inside the

house. to

> > > make mold you need 2 things, damp and warm. without these you

cannot

> > > have mold, period. Any powerful oxidiser will kill those molds andf

> > > fungus. Hydrogen peroxide is strong but has a short standing life.

> > > Bleach is good but it will fade colors and noxious fumes.

> > >

> > > Hope this can help. If there is mold growing in your scoby,

then most

> > > likely it's affecting you also.

> > >

> > > Jaimye

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

Posted

It won't hurt you any if you let it continue as is for a total of 14

days, see what the white circles do. None of us on the list can tell if

you really have mold or not (because we cannot actually see it), and

some of the folks who think it might be the new SCOBY might very well be

right. Mold generally looks fuzzy or hairy. Even if this might be

fuzzy or hairy, let this go for the total of 14 days. It will be very

obvious you have mold by that time or you will have this big thick SCOBY

on top. You might get some dark growths that look weird in the liquid

or just under it (if the SCOBY bubbles up), that is OK too. Just don't

give up on it yet until you know for certain!

As far as if you have apartment molds, we all do. When you make your KT

at any time the jar is open to the air, it is getting mold spores in it.

It is also getting yeast too (how beer was invented in Egypt). Some

folks with Air filters are probably getting less, but unless you are in

a clean room, you probably are getting something other than what you are

putting into the jars. Best thing is to do what is suggested and clean

as best you can and make sure you have at least 2 cups of starter or

more. I usually use a bit more than 2 cups only to get more of a

continuous brewing thing going on, but also in case I wasn't as clean as

I should have been, as I do other fermenting products as well.

My kombucha grows by round little white circles that then grow

together...

MOLD AGAIN!

Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

depressing indeed.

Namaste

--

mjkern2000@...

Posted

Thank you :)

It is mold...it's turning green now. It just has to be this

apartment. The first brew was fine, but the second got moldy, and

this is the second time that has happened. I tried to keep everything

as clean as possible, but there is mildew around all the windows and

the carpet is super old so I am sure that doesn't help. We are giving

our notice tomorrow to try and find something better.

Thanks for the advice, can't wait to move and TRY AGAIN!

Namaste

:)

>

>

> It won't hurt you any if you let it continue as is for a total of 14

> days, see what the white circles do. None of us on the list can tell if

> you really have mold or not (because we cannot actually see it), and

> some of the folks who think it might be the new SCOBY might very well be

> right. Mold generally looks fuzzy or hairy. Even if this might be

> fuzzy or hairy, let this go for the total of 14 days. It will be very

> obvious you have mold by that time or you will have this big thick SCOBY

> on top. You might get some dark growths that look weird in the liquid

> or just under it (if the SCOBY bubbles up), that is OK too. Just don't

> give up on it yet until you know for certain!

>

> As far as if you have apartment molds, we all do. When you make your KT

> at any time the jar is open to the air, it is getting mold spores in it.

> It is also getting yeast too (how beer was invented in Egypt). Some

> folks with Air filters are probably getting less, but unless you are in

> a clean room, you probably are getting something other than what you are

> putting into the jars. Best thing is to do what is suggested and clean

> as best you can and make sure you have at least 2 cups of starter or

> more. I usually use a bit more than 2 cups only to get more of a

> continuous brewing thing going on, but also in case I wasn't as clean as

> I should have been, as I do other fermenting products as well.

>

>

> My kombucha grows by round little white circles that then grow

> together...

> MOLD AGAIN!

>

>

> Well, it happened again. Same thing as before. The first batch was

> good, the second batch has mold growing on it. Little white circles

> of mold. I changed the room I was brewing it in and everything. I

> don't understand why this is happening. Any advice to prevent it in

> the future? Maybe it is the old apartment building I live in. Very

> depressing indeed.

>

> Namaste

>

> --

>

> mjkern2000@...

>

Guest guest
Posted

> We are MOVING!!! We have been thinking about it, but now its just

> settled.

That's great, , It's very much a negative health drain to live

in a moldy environment like that. btw, mildew *is* mold.

Very glad that the kombucha helped you to see how unhealthy the

environment is. I hope it works out for you to make this move.

--V

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