Re: OT Chronic Insomnia cure?

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to put this out as it was a great help to me. So as not to

interfere with the groups main theme please email me personally if you want to

talk about it. I have made a tremendous leap in progress with my chronic

insomnia. Not only is it chronic but completely unpredictable in how it

manifests

itself. Premature drowsiness, waking up numerous times during the night or

the inability to fall asleep at all, etc. I have been wearing an interesting

device similar in idea to the Qlink but I believe [still studying it though]

that this product is actually better. It's called a QE pendant and I've had it

on since November or December of last year. If you're interested, I'd be more

than happy to discuss the purchase of and experience in research about the

product and it's seller. If you've tried everything from ornithine, calcium

and magnesium and Valerian to Different types of pillows and sounds of the

fill-in-the-blank cds to fall asleep-you're obviously not alone.

-Lance

[Guest guest]

Hi Lance,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have recently

started using a Q-Ray bracelet which I found it pretty

good in start, however recently I started having sleep

disorders again! I don't mind trying something

better/stronger! I am a transportation/civil engineer

spending most of my day in a stressful/demanding and

high EMF/air pollution environment. So I can use all

sort of help to be abale to maintain my health and

survive!!

I have also heard about neodynamic magnets being very

useful as well, however, I'm not so sure how to use

them and how they work!!

Thanks, Tara

--- Ekowal459@... wrote:

---------------------------------

I just wanted to put this out as it was a great help

to me. So as not to

interfere with the groups main theme please email me

personally if you want to

talk about it. I have made a tremendous leap in

progress with my chronic

insomnia. Not only is it chronic but completely

unpredictable in how it manifests

itself. Premature drowsiness, waking up numerous times

during the night or

the inability to fall asleep at all, etc. I have been

wearing an interesting

device similar in idea to the Qlink but I believe

[still studying it though]

that this product is actually better. It's called a QE

pendant and I've had it

on since November or December of last year. If you're

interested, I'd be more

than happy to discuss the purchase of and experience

in research about the

product and it's seller. If you've tried everything

from ornithine, calcium

and magnesium and Valerian to Different types of

pillows and sounds of the

fill-in-the-blank cds to fall asleep-you're obviously

not alone.

-Lance

[Guest guest]

Actually I just got an email from another member who said that they own the

exact same pendant and it didn't help with their insomnia. The reason why I

got the pendant was because something really caught my attention in a book.

I've been doing a long candida cleanse from lifeforceplan.com partly for

insomnia troubles and partly for skin problems, etc. Anyway before I started the

cleanse I was reading the book about it and the author had something in the book

about not having enough energy to go too sleep. As if you need energy to go

to sleep and when you are exhausted-you can't sleep well. It went in to much

more detail but let's just say that it all felt familiar. He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of waking them up-they go to

sleep. I've done that! So as I am always on the look out for natural remedies

not involving doctors and constantly researching and trying things an idea

among many hit me while searching. I was talking to Fred Van Liew of the

ewater.com company. He sells these devices/appliances/filters that purify water

and air and supposedly neutralize electromagnetic chaos or man made

electromagnetic frequencies. I spoke to him and to the Clarus company who

produces

something they claim to be similar called the Qlink. I talked to ewater's

customer service people at great length more than once and even to the head of

the

company Mr. Van Liew more than once as well. He is very accessible via email

and phone. He has a direct line to him-no middlemen. Anyway I'd read so much

about EMFs which were man made and very damaging to our own frequencies or

the earth's frequencies being able to naturally influence our own system. If

this sounds nuts I assure you there's a science to it. Not one I completely

understand but the company has a six month money back guarantee. The device I

wear is the best one they sold although I was very skeptical at first. It is

shaped like a triangle. Triangles and pyramids seem to be the international

symbol for kooky hippydippy new age stuff that gives sensible alternative

medicine a bad name if you ask me. So I was really skeptical I guess. But I

paid

the expensive price figuring I had nothing to lose. I recall about $200

including shipping and handling and it took a few weeks to get one in hand. I

felt

nothing different at all at first. I've been able to sleep when I want barring

any chronic pain I have from other ailments within about fifteen minutes of

laying down. Speaking with Mr. Van Liew I even mentioned that was part of the

reason I wanted the thing [Good idea I think even for healthy people to have

a device like this] and he told me straight out that it tends to give you

energy and didn't think it would necessarily help me sleep. I understood this

but real energy-not caffeine induced energy-is what I wanted. Having used it I

believe that all these years I've had sleeping trouble largely been based

off of exhaustion. My nerves being fried all the time by unseen energy dragging

me down. This statement about giving me energy only made me want to try the

device even more. Am I totally cured? No. I'm still a night person and would

rather be awake at night when possible but I can choose not to be. I do find

that I can't stay down a full eight hours but where as I used to try and fall

asleep at a decent hour like ten or eleven it always went badly. I'd be up

at one o'clock and still very tired and awake until four,five,six. Then I'd

try to nap til work or school [this problem goes back to childhood]. Now I can

stay down from about ten until four or five if I want to or have to. Huge

improvement in my life. I am more rested by that sleep now also. Partly I think

just by being asleep during the important ten to two time. This obviously

isn't the cure for everybody but I'm still moving forward in this doing this

candida cleanse. Sleeping troubles not totally cured but I've also thought that

toxic overload could be ''frying my nerves'' to and continue to work on

strategies for that as well. I'm just over three weeks into my Candida Cleanse.

If

that ends up elimination the remaining sleeping difficulty I have, I'll post

it. Hope this helps. I've done other things to help the toxic burden that I

probably have according to my research. I've conducted three

liver/gallbladder flushes to date and seem to be stoneless. I use a dryskin

brush almost

everyday. I use a shower filter also from the ewater.com company. I switched

from

regular table salt to sea salt and no longer use any hydrogenated oils,

almost no homogenized dairy and drink only Reverse Osmosis water and never use

anything with fake sugar. There are other things I have been waiting to try but

I like to keep them all straight so I know what is and isn't working. Good

luck.

''Lance''

P.S. I just copied this letter that I replied to other folks with. It's

obvious you know what EMFs are and probably grasp them much better than I do. I

just wanted to remark on that so you don't think I didn't read your reply.

Also I have heard about these magnetic rings made out of neodymium as well. I

have a pair. I think that's what you mean but I'm not sure. If it is-

Chiu.com is the place to look. He invented them. He is also wickedly

eccentric and

his site is possibly the most bizarre site on the planet except for the

vulgar ones. Anyway he sells rings and toe braces and the testimonials are

incredible if true. A lot of people say that they at first find sleeping to be

impossible with the products on either for lack of comfort or worry or a surge

in

energy. I found no surge of energy but I did worry about them. The magnets

are really strong for their size and kept coming out of the plastic rings even

though they seemed to be well glued at first. I no longer use them and they

aren't supposed to be used with any other magnetic product or my pendant now

because it has a resonating magnet. I gave it about two weeks overall because

of this problem. Though they have this insane name of The immortality device

on the Chiu [A noted scientist and inventor/patent holder] website, they

have a 28,000 gauss if I'm not mistaken and there might really be something to

them. I talked to a woman from another company who distributes them

vitalshops.com and other products that Trudeau recommends although not by

brand

name. She told me some interesting things and seemed sincere. Who knows but

the people who soldier through getting used to the rings whether for one reason

or another say that afterwards their sleep ''counts'' much more and

energizes them a great deal among other claims much bigger, like disappearing

cataracts. Hey, Kombucha people talking about hair color changing sounds hard to

believe too, but some of these people think they really will never die of

natural causes if wearing these things! So, based off of my experience with them

I

cannot strongly endorse nor put down this product. I didn't give it much of a

chance on myself but now I've apoxyed the doggone things back into place

hoping they stay and began having my diabetic mother use them every night

testing

the claim that it clears up the circulatory difficulty someone with sugar

has. If you try either device, let me know okay? I'd be interested to hear

someone else's experience with them.

[Guest guest]

Okay apparently despite the thought that I'd spare the list by taking this

subject through personal emails-I've inadvertently read one through the list

and replied ...to the list. So, this reply can stand for everybody I guess.

Imagine my surprise when my name showed up in my mail box. I win the village

idiot award. Sorry about that.

[Guest guest]

Yes that is true,I have a friend and she also bought a pendant and it has

no effect what's so ever.

annie

Re: OT Chronic Insomnia cure?

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when I want barring

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of waking them up-they go to

sleep.

-

Sure it works but so does hitting yoruself on the head with a hammer.

To use SPEED to slow down, like feeding Hyperactive kids Ritalin simply pushes

the GAS button and takes you over the top. But every time you use the General

Adaptation Syndrome puts a strain on your body.

If GAS puts you to sleep then you know the insomnia is cause by stress and

therefore you'd be better off to do stress reduction drills and AVIOID all speed

stressors like coffee.

http://www-nehc.med.navy.mil/downloads/hp/GOT_GAS.pdf

http://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/students/stress.htm

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/general_adaptation_syndrome.jsp

http://www.holistic-online.com/stress/stress_GAS.htm

rusty

Re: OT Chronic Insomnia cure?

Actually I just got an email from another member who said that they own the

exact same pendant and it didn't help with their insomnia. The reason why I

got the pendant was because something really caught my attention in a book.

I've been doing a long candida cleanse from lifeforceplan.com partly for

insomnia troubles and partly for skin problems, etc. Anyway before I started

the

cleanse I was reading the book about it and the author had something in the

book

about not having enough energy to go too sleep. As if you need energy to go

to sleep and when you are exhausted-you can't sleep well. It went in to much

more detail but let's just say that it all felt familiar. He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of waking them up-they go to

sleep. I've done that! So as I am always on the look out for natural remedies

not involving doctors and constantly researching and trying things an idea

among many hit me while searching. I was talking to Fred Van Liew of the

ewater.com company. He sells these devices/appliances/filters that purify

water

and air and supposedly neutralize electromagnetic chaos or man made

electromagnetic frequencies. I spoke to him and to the Clarus company who

produces

something they claim to be similar called the Qlink. I talked to ewater's

customer service people at great length more than once and even to the head

of the

company Mr. Van Liew more than once as well. He is very accessible via email

and phone. He has a direct line to him-no middlemen. Anyway I'd read so much

about EMFs which were man made and very damaging to our own frequencies or

the earth's frequencies being able to naturally influence our own system. If

this sounds nuts I assure you there's a science to it. Not one I completely

understand but the company has a six month money back guarantee. The device I

wear is the best one they sold although I was very skeptical at first. It is

shaped like a triangle. Triangles and pyramids seem to be the international

symbol for kooky hippydippy new age stuff that gives sensible alternative

medicine a bad name if you ask me. So I was really skeptical I guess. But I

paid

the expensive price figuring I had nothing to lose. I recall about $200

including shipping and handling and it took a few weeks to get one in hand. I

felt

nothing different at all at first. I've been able to sleep when I want

barring

any chronic pain I have from other ailments within about fifteen minutes of

laying down. Speaking with Mr. Van Liew I even mentioned that was part of the

reason I wanted the thing [Good idea I think even for healthy people to have

a device like this] and he told me straight out that it tends to give you

energy and didn't think it would necessarily help me sleep. I understood this

but real energy-not caffeine induced energy-is what I wanted. Having used it

I

believe that all these years I've had sleeping trouble largely been based

off of exhaustion. My nerves being fried all the time by unseen energy

dragging

me down. This statement about giving me energy only made me want to try the

device even more. Am I totally cured? No. I'm still a night person and would

rather be awake at night when possible but I can choose not to be. I do find

that I can't stay down a full eight hours but where as I used to try and fall

asleep at a decent hour like ten or eleven it always went badly. I'd be up

at one o'clock and still very tired and awake until four,five,six. Then I'd

try to nap til work or school [this problem goes back to childhood]. Now I

can

stay down from about ten until four or five if I want to or have to. Huge

improvement in my life. I am more rested by that sleep now also. Partly I

think

just by being asleep during the important ten to two time. This obviously

isn't the cure for everybody but I'm still moving forward in this doing this

candida cleanse. Sleeping troubles not totally cured but I've also thought

that

toxic overload could be ''frying my nerves'' to and continue to work on

strategies for that as well. I'm just over three weeks into my Candida

Cleanse. If

that ends up elimination the remaining sleeping difficulty I have, I'll post

it. Hope this helps. I've done other things to help the toxic burden that I

probably have according to my research. I've conducted three

liver/gallbladder flushes to date and seem to be stoneless. I use a dryskin

brush almost

everyday. I use a shower filter also from the ewater.com company. I switched

from

regular table salt to sea salt and no longer use any hydrogenated oils,

almost no homogenized dairy and drink only Reverse Osmosis water and never

use

anything with fake sugar. There are other things I have been waiting to try

but

I like to keep them all straight so I know what is and isn't working. Good

luck.

''Lance''

P.S. I just copied this letter that I replied to other folks with. It's

obvious you know what EMFs are and probably grasp them much better than I do.

I

just wanted to remark on that so you don't think I didn't read your reply.

Also I have heard about these magnetic rings made out of neodymium as well. I

have a pair. I think that's what you mean but I'm not sure. If it is-

Chiu.com is the place to look. He invented them. He is also wickedly

eccentric and

his site is possibly the most bizarre site on the planet except for the

vulgar ones. Anyway he sells rings and toe braces and the testimonials are

incredible if true. A lot of people say that they at first find sleeping to

be

impossible with the products on either for lack of comfort or worry or a

surge in

energy. I found no surge of energy but I did worry about them. The magnets

are really strong for their size and kept coming out of the plastic rings

even

though they seemed to be well glued at first. I no longer use them and they

aren't supposed to be used with any other magnetic product or my pendant now

because it has a resonating magnet. I gave it about two weeks overall because

of this problem. Though they have this insane name of The immortality device

on the Chiu [A noted scientist and inventor/patent holder] website, they

have a 28,000 gauss if I'm not mistaken and there might really be something

to

them. I talked to a woman from another company who distributes them

vitalshops.com and other products that Trudeau recommends although not

by brand

name. She told me some interesting things and seemed sincere. Who knows but

the people who soldier through getting used to the rings whether for one

reason

or another say that afterwards their sleep ''counts'' much more and

energizes them a great deal among other claims much bigger, like disappearing

cataracts. Hey, Kombucha people talking about hair color changing sounds hard

to

believe too, but some of these people think they really will never die of

natural causes if wearing these things! So, based off of my experience with

them I

cannot strongly endorse nor put down this product. I didn't give it much of a

chance on myself but now I've apoxyed the doggone things back into place

hoping they stay and began having my diabetic mother use them every night

testing

the claim that it clears up the circulatory difficulty someone with sugar

has. If you try either device, let me know okay? I'd be interested to hear

someone else's experience with them.

[Guest guest]

>He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of waking them up-they go to

sleep.

-

Sure it works but so does hitting yoruself on the head with a hammer.

To use SPEED to slow down, like feeding Hyperactive kids Ritalin simply pushes

the GAS button and takes you over the top. But every time you use the General

Adaptation Syndrome puts a strain on your body.

If GAS puts you to sleep then you know the insomnia is cause by stress and

therefore you'd be better off to do stress reduction drills and AVIOID all speed

stressors like coffee.

http://www-nehc.med.navy.mil/downloads/hp/GOT_GAS.pdf

http://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/students/stress.htm

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/general_adaptation_syndrome.jsp

http://www.holistic-online.com/stress/stress_GAS.htm

rusty

Re: OT Chronic Insomnia cure?

Actually I just got an email from another member who said that they own the

exact same pendant and it didn't help with their insomnia. The reason why I

got the pendant was because something really caught my attention in a book.

I've been doing a long candida cleanse from lifeforceplan.com partly for

insomnia troubles and partly for skin problems, etc. Anyway before I started

the

cleanse I was reading the book about it and the author had something in the

book

about not having enough energy to go too sleep. As if you need energy to go

to sleep and when you are exhausted-you can't sleep well. It went in to much

more detail but let's just say that it all felt familiar. He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of waking them up-they go to

sleep. I've done that! So as I am always on the look out for natural remedies

not involving doctors and constantly researching and trying things an idea

among many hit me while searching. I was talking to Fred Van Liew of the

ewater.com company. He sells these devices/appliances/filters that purify

water

and air and supposedly neutralize electromagnetic chaos or man made

electromagnetic frequencies. I spoke to him and to the Clarus company who

produces

something they claim to be similar called the Qlink. I talked to ewater's

customer service people at great length more than once and even to the head

of the

company Mr. Van Liew more than once as well. He is very accessible via email

and phone. He has a direct line to him-no middlemen. Anyway I'd read so much

about EMFs which were man made and very damaging to our own frequencies or

the earth's frequencies being able to naturally influence our own system. If

this sounds nuts I assure you there's a science to it. Not one I completely

understand but the company has a six month money back guarantee. The device I

wear is the best one they sold although I was very skeptical at first. It is

shaped like a triangle. Triangles and pyramids seem to be the international

symbol for kooky hippydippy new age stuff that gives sensible alternative

medicine a bad name if you ask me. So I was really skeptical I guess. But I

paid

the expensive price figuring I had nothing to lose. I recall about $200

including shipping and handling and it took a few weeks to get one in hand. I

felt

nothing different at all at first. I've been able to sleep when I want

barring

any chronic pain I have from other ailments within about fifteen minutes of

laying down. Speaking with Mr. Van Liew I even mentioned that was part of the

reason I wanted the thing [Good idea I think even for healthy people to have

a device like this] and he told me straight out that it tends to give you

energy and didn't think it would necessarily help me sleep. I understood this

but real energy-not caffeine induced energy-is what I wanted. Having used it

I

believe that all these years I've had sleeping trouble largely been based

off of exhaustion. My nerves being fried all the time by unseen energy

dragging

me down. This statement about giving me energy only made me want to try the

device even more. Am I totally cured? No. I'm still a night person and would

rather be awake at night when possible but I can choose not to be. I do find

that I can't stay down a full eight hours but where as I used to try and fall

asleep at a decent hour like ten or eleven it always went badly. I'd be up

at one o'clock and still very tired and awake until four,five,six. Then I'd

try to nap til work or school [this problem goes back to childhood]. Now I

can

stay down from about ten until four or five if I want to or have to. Huge

improvement in my life. I am more rested by that sleep now also. Partly I

think

just by being asleep during the important ten to two time. This obviously

isn't the cure for everybody but I'm still moving forward in this doing this

candida cleanse. Sleeping troubles not totally cured but I've also thought

that

toxic overload could be ''frying my nerves'' to and continue to work on

strategies for that as well. I'm just over three weeks into my Candida

Cleanse. If

that ends up elimination the remaining sleeping difficulty I have, I'll post

it. Hope this helps. I've done other things to help the toxic burden that I

probably have according to my research. I've conducted three

liver/gallbladder flushes to date and seem to be stoneless. I use a dryskin

brush almost

everyday. I use a shower filter also from the ewater.com company. I switched

from

regular table salt to sea salt and no longer use any hydrogenated oils,

almost no homogenized dairy and drink only Reverse Osmosis water and never

use

anything with fake sugar. There are other things I have been waiting to try

but

I like to keep them all straight so I know what is and isn't working. Good

luck.

''Lance''

P.S. I just copied this letter that I replied to other folks with. It's

obvious you know what EMFs are and probably grasp them much better than I do.

I

just wanted to remark on that so you don't think I didn't read your reply.

Also I have heard about these magnetic rings made out of neodymium as well. I

have a pair. I think that's what you mean but I'm not sure. If it is-

Chiu.com is the place to look. He invented them. He is also wickedly

eccentric and

his site is possibly the most bizarre site on the planet except for the

vulgar ones. Anyway he sells rings and toe braces and the testimonials are

incredible if true. A lot of people say that they at first find sleeping to

be

impossible with the products on either for lack of comfort or worry or a

surge in

energy. I found no surge of energy but I did worry about them. The magnets

are really strong for their size and kept coming out of the plastic rings

even

though they seemed to be well glued at first. I no longer use them and they

aren't supposed to be used with any other magnetic product or my pendant now

because it has a resonating magnet. I gave it about two weeks overall because

of this problem. Though they have this insane name of The immortality device

on the Chiu [A noted scientist and inventor/patent holder] website, they

have a 28,000 gauss if I'm not mistaken and there might really be something

to

them. I talked to a woman from another company who distributes them

vitalshops.com and other products that Trudeau recommends although not

by brand

name. She told me some interesting things and seemed sincere. Who knows but

the people who soldier through getting used to the rings whether for one

reason

or another say that afterwards their sleep ''counts'' much more and

energizes them a great deal among other claims much bigger, like disappearing

cataracts. Hey, Kombucha people talking about hair color changing sounds hard

to

believe too, but some of these people think they really will never die of

natural causes if wearing these things! So, based off of my experience with

them I

cannot strongly endorse nor put down this product. I didn't give it much of a

chance on myself but now I've apoxyed the doggone things back into place

hoping they stay and began having my diabetic mother use them every night

testing

the claim that it clears up the circulatory difficulty someone with sugar

has. If you try either device, let me know okay? I'd be interested to hear

someone else's experience with them.

[Guest guest]

I've had severe chronic insomnia which I am happy to say is now only

occasional. For me melatonin worked, at 5mg 2-stage release, 45 mins

before laying down. But I don't do the melatonin anymore. Since starting

with KT, I have been sleeping really well most of the time. Mine is also

stress related, so sometimes when things get extra extra bad I have to

learn how to manage it again. But what's happening is that I'm getting a

handle on how to handle stress, and it's been extraordinary stresses that

trouble my sleep now. It appears that once I learn how to handle that

level, then it would take an even larger stress to trouble me. or so it

appears.

So I want to reiterate. KT has fed my body with what it needs and I no

longer require anything more to sleep, except on rare occasions. Though I

still have a way to go, the levels of healing I've experienced since

brewing KT (I drink about a quart a day) have been wide and deep. That's

why I'm a believer.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

I've had severe chronic insomnia which I am happy to say is now only

occasional. For me melatonin worked, at 5mg 2-stage release, 45 mins

before laying down. But I don't do the melatonin anymore. Since starting

with KT, I have been sleeping really well most of the time. Mine is also

stress related, so sometimes when things get extra extra bad I have to

learn how to manage it again. But what's happening is that I'm getting a

handle on how to handle stress, and it's been extraordinary stresses that

trouble my sleep now. It appears that once I learn how to handle that

level, then it would take an even larger stress to trouble me. or so it

appears.

So I want to reiterate. KT has fed my body with what it needs and I no

longer require anything more to sleep, except on rare occasions. Though I

still have a way to go, the levels of healing I've experienced since

brewing KT (I drink about a quart a day) have been wide and deep. That's

why I'm a believer.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

L-Theanine (a free form amino acid) can be purchased at most health food

stores etc. Has helped folks when nothing else would.

It actually has a blunting effect on caffeine, that is to say that if you

consume caffeine daily (there is a healthy dose of caffeine in kombucha by

the way.) *Green* tea has theanine and caffeine, that is why it can be

relaxing to drink it.

Worth a shot..Proper daily amounts of zinc (in the correct bio-available

forms) and B vitamins are also important for good sleep. mentioned

Melatonin, this is also an antioxidant.

Insomnia can be caused by such a huge range of factors, such as eating

heavy foods too late in the evening, stress, etc.

There are several neurochemicals that effect sleep and are greatly

influenced by diet and daily environment.

Tyrosine from meat and dairy is important for a relaxed body and mind.

Deep breathing can do the trick for lots of folks, it helps to slow a

racing mind and a hearty blood/oxygen concentration does wonders for feeling

cozy. (That's why they pump pure O2 into casinos. No Joke.)

Turning off lights and noise, a couple hours before you would like to

retire, is another angle. (The body responds chemically to light and dark)

Aerobic exercise, does wonders for the feel good/sleepy parts of the brain.

Some even say staying up for 24 hours to " reset " can help, but that is

suggested more for depression than insomnia.

Just some random bits I've picked up in my information highway travels.

Not to be a punk, but I would take some over the counter sleep aid, before

I would pay $200 for a necklace that is alleged to help in this area..but I

don't know anything about it so please don't take offense.

Play Hard

Rest Easy,

Beau

>

> I've had severe chronic insomnia which I am happy to say is now only

> occasional. For me melatonin worked, at 5mg 2-stage release, 45 mins

> before laying down. But I don't do the melatonin anymore. Since starting

> with KT, I have been sleeping really well most of the time. Mine is also

> stress related, so sometimes when things get extra extra bad I have to

> learn how to manage it again. But what's happening is that I'm getting a

> handle on how to handle stress, and it's been extraordinary stresses that

> trouble my sleep now. It appears that once I learn how to handle that

> level, then it would take an even larger stress to trouble me. or so it

> appears.

>

> So I want to reiterate. KT has fed my body with what it needs and I no

> longer require anything more to sleep, except on rare occasions. Though

> I

> still have a way to go, the levels of healing I've experienced since

> brewing KT (I drink about a quart a day) have been wide and deep. That's

> why I'm a believer.

>

> --V

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Many thanks again for sharing your thoughts! I wasn't

so sure about wearing magnitic things together may

cause a problem! I am wearing a Q-Ray bracelet plus an

earth calm pendant! May be that's why I am not feeling

much lately. It was realy awsome in the begining! Do

you know if I start wearing only one it will work

again or when the magnetic field is gone their is no

way to retrieve it?!

There are many pendants out there, it's good to know

which one works best. Now with this neodynamic rings I

am more confused as which one works best!

I checked the sites you mentioned and found them very

interesting! $40-$50 is definitely a very good price

to buy immortality!!! the price is far cheaper then

QE-pendants!

How about the home units,I am wondering how they work?

it's good to protect your house, specially when you

have a little baby!

exciting stuff!

Cheers, Tara

P.S. I was wondering if you have any amalgams in your

mouth, as those black fillings can pose a serious

damage to your health!

--- Ekowal459@... wrote:

---------------------------------

Actually I just got an email from another member who

said that they own the

exact same pendant and it didn't help with their

insomnia. The reason why I

got the pendant was because something really caught my

attention in a book.

I've been doing a long candida cleanse from

lifeforceplan.com partly for

insomnia troubles and partly for skin problems, etc.

Anyway before I started the

cleanse I was reading the book about it and the author

had something in the book

about not having enough energy to go too sleep. As if

you need energy to go

to sleep and when you are exhausted-you can't sleep

well. It went in to much

more detail but let's just say that it all felt

familiar. He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of

waking them up-they go to

sleep. I've done that! So as I am always on the look

out for natural remedies

not involving doctors and constantly researching and

trying things an idea

among many hit me while searching. I was talking to

Fred Van Liew of the

ewater.com company. He sells these

devices/appliances/filters that purify water

and air and supposedly neutralize electromagnetic

chaos or man made

electromagnetic frequencies. I spoke to him and to the

Clarus company who produces

something they claim to be similar called the Qlink. I

talked to ewater's

customer service people at great length more than once

and even to the head of the

company Mr. Van Liew more than once as well. He is

very accessible via email

and phone. He has a direct line to him-no middlemen.

Anyway I'd read so much

about EMFs which were man made and very damaging to

our own frequencies or

the earth's frequencies being able to naturally

influence our own system. If

this sounds nuts I assure you there's a science to it.

Not one I completely

understand but the company has a six month money back

guarantee. The device I

wear is the best one they sold although I was very

skeptical at first. It is

shaped like a triangle. Triangles and pyramids seem to

be the international

symbol for kooky hippydippy new age stuff that gives

sensible alternative

medicine a bad name if you ask me. So I was really

skeptical I guess. But I paid

the expensive price figuring I had nothing to lose. I

recall about $200

including shipping and handling and it took a few

weeks to get one in hand. I felt

nothing different at all at first. I've been able to

sleep when I want barring

any chronic pain I have from other ailments within

about fifteen minutes of

laying down. Speaking with Mr. Van Liew I even

mentioned that was part of the

reason I wanted the thing [Good idea I think even for

healthy people to have

a device like this] and he told me straight out that

it tends to give you

energy and didn't think it would necessarily help me

sleep. I understood this

but real energy-not caffeine induced energy-is what I

wanted. Having used it I

believe that all these years I've had sleeping

trouble largely been based

off of exhaustion. My nerves being fried all the time

by unseen energy dragging

me down. This statement about giving me energy only

made me want to try the

device even more. Am I totally cured? No. I'm still a

night person and would

rather be awake at night when possible but I can

choose not to be. I do find

that I can't stay down a full eight hours but where as

I used to try and fall

asleep at a decent hour like ten or eleven it always

went badly. I'd be up

at one o'clock and still very tired and awake until

four,five,six. Then I'd

try to nap til work or school [this problem goes back

to childhood]. Now I can

stay down from about ten until four or five if I want

to or have to. Huge

improvement in my life. I am more rested by that sleep

now also. Partly I think

just by being asleep during the important ten to two

time. This obviously

isn't the cure for everybody but I'm still moving

forward in this doing this

candida cleanse. Sleeping troubles not totally cured

but I've also thought that

toxic overload could be ''frying my nerves'' to and

continue to work on

strategies for that as well. I'm just over three weeks

into my Candida Cleanse. If

that ends up elimination the remaining sleeping

difficulty I have, I'll post

it. Hope this helps. I've done other things to help

the toxic burden that I

probably have according to my research. I've conducted

three

liver/gallbladder flushes to date and seem to be

stoneless. I use a dryskin brush almost

everyday. I use a shower filter also from the

ewater.com company. I switched from

regular table salt to sea salt and no longer use any

hydrogenated oils,

almost no homogenized dairy and drink only Reverse

Osmosis water and never use

anything with fake sugar. There are other things I

have been waiting to try but

I like to keep them all straight so I know what is and

isn't working. Good

luck.

''Lance''

P.S. I just copied this letter that I replied to other

folks with. It's

obvious you know what EMFs are and probably grasp them

much better than I do. I

just wanted to remark on that so you don't think I

didn't read your reply.

Also I have heard about these magnetic rings made out

of neodymium as well. I

have a pair. I think that's what you mean but I'm not

sure. If it is-

Chiu.com is the place to look. He invented them.

He is also wickedly eccentric and

his site is possibly the most bizarre site on the

planet except for the

vulgar ones. Anyway he sells rings and toe braces and

the testimonials are

incredible if true. A lot of people say that they at

first find sleeping to be

impossible with the products on either for lack of

comfort or worry or a surge in

energy. I found no surge of energy but I did worry

about them. The magnets

are really strong for their size and kept coming out

of the plastic rings even

though they seemed to be well glued at first. I no

longer use them and they

aren't supposed to be used with any other magnetic

product or my pendant now

because it has a resonating magnet. I gave it about

two weeks overall because

of this problem. Though they have this insane name of

The immortality device

on the Chiu [A noted scientist and inventor/patent

holder] website, they

have a 28,000 gauss if I'm not mistaken and there

might really be something to

them. I talked to a woman from another company who

distributes them

vitalshops.com and other products that Trudeau

recommends although not by brand

name. She told me some interesting things and seemed

sincere. Who knows but

the people who soldier through getting used to the

rings whether for one reason

or another say that afterwards their sleep ''counts''

much more and

energizes them a great deal among other claims much

bigger, like disappearing

cataracts. Hey, Kombucha people talking about hair

color changing sounds hard to

believe too, but some of these people think they

really will never die of

natural causes if wearing these things! So, based off

of my experience with them I

cannot strongly endorse nor put down this product. I

didn't give it much of a

chance on myself but now I've apoxyed the doggone

things back into place

hoping they stay and began having my diabetic mother

use them every night testing

the claim that it clears up the circulatory

difficulty someone with sugar

has. If you try either device, let me know okay? I'd

be interested to hear

someone else's experience with them.

[Guest guest]

Many thanks again for sharing your thoughts! I wasn't

so sure about wearing magnitic things together may

cause a problem! I am wearing a Q-Ray bracelet plus an

earth calm pendant! May be that's why I am not feeling

much lately. It was realy awsome in the begining! Do

you know if I start wearing only one it will work

again or when the magnetic field is gone their is no

way to retrieve it?!

There are many pendants out there, it's good to know

which one works best. Now with this neodynamic rings I

am more confused as which one works best!

I checked the sites you mentioned and found them very

interesting! $40-$50 is definitely a very good price

to buy immortality!!! the price is far cheaper then

QE-pendants!

How about the home units,I am wondering how they work?

it's good to protect your house, specially when you

have a little baby!

exciting stuff!

Cheers, Tara

P.S. I was wondering if you have any amalgams in your

mouth, as those black fillings can pose a serious

damage to your health!

--- Ekowal459@... wrote:

---------------------------------

Actually I just got an email from another member who

said that they own the

exact same pendant and it didn't help with their

insomnia. The reason why I

got the pendant was because something really caught my

attention in a book.

I've been doing a long candida cleanse from

lifeforceplan.com partly for

insomnia troubles and partly for skin problems, etc.

Anyway before I started the

cleanse I was reading the book about it and the author

had something in the book

about not having enough energy to go too sleep. As if

you need energy to go

to sleep and when you are exhausted-you can't sleep

well. It went in to much

more detail but let's just say that it all felt

familiar. He mentioned that

some people can have a cup of coffee and instead of

waking them up-they go to

sleep. I've done that! So as I am always on the look

out for natural remedies

not involving doctors and constantly researching and

trying things an idea

among many hit me while searching. I was talking to

Fred Van Liew of the

ewater.com company. He sells these

devices/appliances/filters that purify water

and air and supposedly neutralize electromagnetic

chaos or man made

electromagnetic frequencies. I spoke to him and to the

Clarus company who produces

something they claim to be similar called the Qlink. I

talked to ewater's

customer service people at great length more than once

and even to the head of the

company Mr. Van Liew more than once as well. He is

very accessible via email

and phone. He has a direct line to him-no middlemen.

Anyway I'd read so much

about EMFs which were man made and very damaging to

our own frequencies or

the earth's frequencies being able to naturally

influence our own system. If

this sounds nuts I assure you there's a science to it.

Not one I completely

understand but the company has a six month money back

guarantee. The device I

wear is the best one they sold although I was very

skeptical at first. It is

shaped like a triangle. Triangles and pyramids seem to

be the international

symbol for kooky hippydippy new age stuff that gives

sensible alternative

medicine a bad name if you ask me. So I was really

skeptical I guess. But I paid

the expensive price figuring I had nothing to lose. I

recall about $200

including shipping and handling and it took a few

weeks to get one in hand. I felt

nothing different at all at first. I've been able to

sleep when I want barring

any chronic pain I have from other ailments within

about fifteen minutes of

laying down. Speaking with Mr. Van Liew I even

mentioned that was part of the

reason I wanted the thing [Good idea I think even for

healthy people to have

a device like this] and he told me straight out that

it tends to give you

energy and didn't think it would necessarily help me

sleep. I understood this

but real energy-not caffeine induced energy-is what I

wanted. Having used it I

believe that all these years I've had sleeping

trouble largely been based

off of exhaustion. My nerves being fried all the time

by unseen energy dragging

me down. This statement about giving me energy only

made me want to try the

device even more. Am I totally cured? No. I'm still a

night person and would

rather be awake at night when possible but I can

choose not to be. I do find

that I can't stay down a full eight hours but where as

I used to try and fall

asleep at a decent hour like ten or eleven it always

went badly. I'd be up

at one o'clock and still very tired and awake until

four,five,six. Then I'd

try to nap til work or school [this problem goes back

to childhood]. Now I can

stay down from about ten until four or five if I want

to or have to. Huge

improvement in my life. I am more rested by that sleep

now also. Partly I think

just by being asleep during the important ten to two

time. This obviously

isn't the cure for everybody but I'm still moving

forward in this doing this

candida cleanse. Sleeping troubles not totally cured

but I've also thought that

toxic overload could be ''frying my nerves'' to and

continue to work on

strategies for that as well. I'm just over three weeks

into my Candida Cleanse. If

that ends up elimination the remaining sleeping

difficulty I have, I'll post

it. Hope this helps. I've done other things to help

the toxic burden that I

probably have according to my research. I've conducted

three

liver/gallbladder flushes to date and seem to be

stoneless. I use a dryskin brush almost

everyday. I use a shower filter also from the

ewater.com company. I switched from

regular table salt to sea salt and no longer use any

hydrogenated oils,

almost no homogenized dairy and drink only Reverse

Osmosis water and never use

anything with fake sugar. There are other things I

have been waiting to try but

I like to keep them all straight so I know what is and

isn't working. Good

luck.

''Lance''

P.S. I just copied this letter that I replied to other

folks with. It's

obvious you know what EMFs are and probably grasp them

much better than I do. I

just wanted to remark on that so you don't think I

didn't read your reply.

Also I have heard about these magnetic rings made out

of neodymium as well. I

have a pair. I think that's what you mean but I'm not

sure. If it is-

Chiu.com is the place to look. He invented them.

He is also wickedly eccentric and

his site is possibly the most bizarre site on the

planet except for the

vulgar ones. Anyway he sells rings and toe braces and

the testimonials are

incredible if true. A lot of people say that they at

first find sleeping to be

impossible with the products on either for lack of

comfort or worry or a surge in

energy. I found no surge of energy but I did worry

about them. The magnets

are really strong for their size and kept coming out

of the plastic rings even

though they seemed to be well glued at first. I no

longer use them and they

aren't supposed to be used with any other magnetic

product or my pendant now

because it has a resonating magnet. I gave it about

two weeks overall because

of this problem. Though they have this insane name of

The immortality device

on the Chiu [A noted scientist and inventor/patent

holder] website, they

have a 28,000 gauss if I'm not mistaken and there

might really be something to

them. I talked to a woman from another company who

distributes them

vitalshops.com and other products that Trudeau

recommends although not by brand

name. She told me some interesting things and seemed

sincere. Who knows but

the people who soldier through getting used to the

rings whether for one reason

or another say that afterwards their sleep ''counts''

much more and

energizes them a great deal among other claims much

bigger, like disappearing

cataracts. Hey, Kombucha people talking about hair

color changing sounds hard to

believe too, but some of these people think they

really will never die of

natural causes if wearing these things! So, based off

of my experience with them I

cannot strongly endorse nor put down this product. I

didn't give it much of a

chance on myself but now I've apoxyed the doggone

things back into place

hoping they stay and began having my diabetic mother

use them every night testing

the claim that it clears up the circulatory

difficulty someone with sugar

has. If you try either device, let me know okay? I'd

be interested to hear

someone else's experience with them.

[Guest guest]

I certainly never suggested using coffee, only that I'd had a history of the

effect that Dr. McCombs talked about. As a matter of fact I said I'd rather

have real energy than caffeine induced energy.

In regards to hoping no one really thinks they'll be immortal with those

rings-I wish they didn't either but I seriously believe a lot of them do. Also

about the home units for the emf protection- That's all a matter of how many

people you have in the house, and how big your house is and how much time you

are all there, etc. It's much more expensive than a single unit. May I add

that shelling out two hundred dollars for a sleep aid is not really what you

are

doing anyway. This is a total health aid- the owner of the company doesn't

even endorse it as a sleep aid. I'm just relaying my personal experience with

it. It's far more complicated and valuable than that if you assume it is

correct science. I don't know that it is but due to the effects I've felt with

it-I'm much more inclined to believe that it is. Also you are not necessarily

supposed to sense any affect. Since you don't generally consciously feel the

effect of the Electromagnetic chaos that it is meant to neutralize...you

probably won't consciously register the effect of the neutralizer. It makes

sense

to me. I may be completely misguided of course.

PS

I can't believe so many people weighed in on this one.

Lance.

[Guest guest]

Hi V,

As KT helps us eliminate the crap from our bodies this is one stress

that no longer a problem 8).

Imagine trying to deal with the bigger stresser that appear if you'd not

managed to deal with the smaller one's in the first place - but then

again that's not a good place to go even in our imaginations 8).

I went to a seminar on sleep and that helped no end with my insomnia.

If I can't go to sleep now it simply doesn't matter to me.

_Part_ of the reason that insomnia is a problem for many is because its

stressful. We freak out that we are still awake. Nothing wrong with

resting the body in bed and _*not*_ reading a book or listening to

music. The body is resting and that's a large _part_ of the problem solved.

We cycle every hour to hour and a half. For about 10 minutes in (for eg)

every hour it will be easier to fall asleep than at any other part of

that cycle. That's why actually doing something like reading can keep us

awake - we ignore the cue to go to sleep.

TTFN

Sue (au).

Baker wrote:

> I've had severe chronic insomnia which I am happy to say is now only

> occasional. For me melatonin worked, at 5mg 2-stage release, 45 mins

> before laying down. But I don't do the melatonin anymore. Since

> starting

> with KT, I have been sleeping really well most of the time. Mine is also

> stress related, so sometimes when things get extra extra bad I have to

> learn how to manage it again. But what's happening is that I'm getting a

> handle on how to handle stress, and it's been extraordinary stresses that

> trouble my sleep now. It appears that once I learn how to handle that

> level, then it would take an even larger stress to trouble me. or so it

> appears.

>

> So I want to reiterate. KT has fed my body with what it needs and I no

> longer require anything more to sleep, except on rare occasions.

> Though I

> still have a way to go, the levels of healing I've experienced since

> brewing KT (I drink about a quart a day) have been wide and deep. That's

> why I'm a believer.

>

> --V