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I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten, which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that I had to calm down the situation.

 

My oldest son explained to him that slavery does still happen, but he doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I DO have to be careful with how I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do u tell a five year old ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to leave our house.

 

is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

 

My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out happens quite often during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot! We are working with his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help him cope with things like the slavery issue.

 

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch him or his things.

 

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo washes the germs away.

 

His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because 'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am just curious.

 

No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as possible when he becomes and adult. I actually posted something about this yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their friends were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism, because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were focusing more on their anger then finding ways to help their child be the best he or she can be!

 

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc. I ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

 

Jenn

 

 

 

 

Dear Jenn,I hope you can re-read that post with care and concern and all the insight you can muster. Slavery still does occur. The truth cannot harm anyone. No-one. What dignity is there in being denied the truth? Do you think perhaps your son may have been bullied? Have you heard that people with autism have no empathy? Does it strike you as odd that he was aghast at hearing that SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere fact some are NOT? I have put your post and a reply to it up for discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434 so that others can comment over time. It is a classic case of what NOT to do to your son. If you ever were querulous about why so many angry advocates for autism are out there " working against " parents best practices... stop and take a look now and see it like maybe no one else today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to hear...someone getting hurt. Have you tried hugging him for that outrageous normality? The flowing empathy. The spirit that enriches us all in a way violence undoes?2. As for blowing things out of proportion, perhaps the case is we are so deadened to sickening violence that he compensates for our lack of horror? Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves. They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International and see for yourself. Literally millions of them. Blood diamond slaves. Namib desert slaves. South Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's of thousands. coralled into working gold fields. Emerald jewel diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour. It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to insulate them. Why not begin a project with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage. Suffering violence is a life long condition. You know that. So why get disconcerted with the one who acutely feels that violence and NOT the ones who are violent who caused this innocence to be harmed in any way. Not a hair on head should be so harmed. Violence should not be eliminated for the sake of us guilty ones, but for him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't tell him it won't happen to him - he is among the most vulnerable to it! Tell him how to defend himself, how to help bring violence to an end, something constructive, but not a lie to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of this world and NOT ignore the news - no matter what it portrays. We have a right to reality. To the dignity of being at risk, and to the ineffable dignity of protecting ourselves from violence without the false shield of untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I am pleading with everyone to think before they speak hurtfulness and wrongness. I see posts above and below yours that call us abnormal and sick and in need of termination (though they use code words like " genetic identification " to mask what they mean... what else were they gonna do with the genetic information? Get it framed? Build an Autists Cradle in advance? Send the parents off for grief counselling immediately after conception? Save up extra for velcro-closure shoes? But did they think before they welcomed genetic advances??? We are 70 million strong us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my say also,Asperger's Syndrome New Zealandinfo@...www.asnz.exofire.net

Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand[i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie, father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government Lived Experience Representative on theMinistry of Health ASD Expert Advisory Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10 hours a day to challenge the huge number of assumptions others make about autism everyday.]

>> *I am just wondering if any of your kids blow things out of proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son does not like to hear anything that has to> do with someone getting hurt, the military, policemen, wars, or slavery,> etc. Even if he is learning about it in school. Whenever he does, he will

> add things to it (that are not true, he is just assuming it's true), and> completely blow it out or proportion and get upset. *> *> > For example, he is doing summer school with his Special Ed teacher (thru his

> online charter school). Today they were reading about slavery, and then when> heard about that someone's owner did not beat them, he lost it! He> said, " U mean they beat them up, and kill them?!?! " He totally melted down,

> and refused to read anymore. I sent his teacher a message, saying he was> upset about it, and she stopped the reading.> > I am just wondering if this is common for our kids to think this way? And if

> so, is there anyway to help them think through it differently? It seems to> be getting worse as he gets older.> > Thanks!> Jenn*>

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Also, I read your page where u posted what I wrote, and it looks like others are blowing what I said out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you would tell them that they are assuming things that are not true.

 

Thanks!Jenn

Hey ,

 

I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten, which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that I had to calm down the situation.

 

My oldest son explained to him that slavery does still happen, but he doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I DO have to be careful with how I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do u tell a five year old ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to leave our house.

 

is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

 

My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out happens quite often during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot! We are working with his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help him cope with things like the slavery issue.

 

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch him or his things.

 

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo washes the germs away.

 

His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because 'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am just curious.

 

No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as possible when he becomes and adult. I actually posted something about this yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their friends were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism, because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were focusing more on their anger then finding ways to help their child be the best he or she can be!

 

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc. I ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

 

Jenn

 

 

 

 

Dear Jenn,I hope you can re-read that post with care and concern and all the insight you can muster. Slavery still does occur. The truth cannot harm anyone. No-one. What dignity is there in being denied the truth? Do you think perhaps your son may have been bullied? Have you heard that people with autism have no empathy? Does it strike you as odd that he was aghast at hearing that SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere fact some are NOT? I have put your post and a reply to it up for discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434 so that others can comment over time. It is a classic case of what NOT to do to your son. If you ever were querulous about why so many angry advocates for autism are out there " working against " parents best practices... stop and take a look now and see it like maybe no one else today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to hear...someone getting hurt. Have you tried hugging him for that outrageous normality? The flowing empathy. The spirit that enriches us all in a way violence undoes?2. As for blowing things out of proportion, perhaps the case is we are so deadened to sickening violence that he compensates for our lack of horror? Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves. They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International and see for yourself. Literally millions of them. Blood diamond slaves. Namib desert slaves. South Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's of thousands. coralled into working gold fields. Emerald jewel diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour. It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to insulate them. Why not begin a project with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage. Suffering violence is a life long condition. You know that. So why get disconcerted with the one who acutely feels that violence and NOT the ones who are violent who caused this innocence to be harmed in any way. Not a hair on head should be so harmed. Violence should not be eliminated for the sake of us guilty ones, but for him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't tell him it won't happen to him - he is among the most vulnerable to it! Tell him how to defend himself, how to help bring violence to an end, something constructive, but not a lie to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of this world and NOT ignore the news - no matter what it portrays. We have a right to reality. To the dignity of being at risk, and to the ineffable dignity of protecting ourselves from violence without the false shield of untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I am pleading with everyone to think before they speak hurtfulness and wrongness. I see posts above and below yours that call us abnormal and sick and in need of termination (though they use code words like " genetic identification " to mask what they mean... what else were they gonna do with the genetic information? Get it framed? Build an Autists Cradle in advance? Send the parents off for grief counselling immediately after conception? Save up extra for velcro-closure shoes? But did they think before they welcomed genetic advances??? We are 70 million strong us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my say also,Asperger's Syndrome New Zealandinfo@...www.asnz.exofire.net

Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand[i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie, father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government Lived Experience Representative on theMinistry of Health ASD Expert Advisory Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10 hours a day to challenge the huge number of assumptions others make about autism everyday.]

>> *I am just wondering if any of your kids blow things out of proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son does not like to hear anything that has to> do with someone getting hurt, the military, policemen, wars, or slavery,> etc. Even if he is learning about it in school. Whenever he does, he will

> add things to it (that are not true, he is just assuming it's true), and> completely blow it out or proportion and get upset. *> *> > For example, he is doing summer school with his Special Ed teacher (thru his

> online charter school). Today they were reading about slavery, and then when> heard about that someone's owner did not beat them, he lost it! He> said, " U mean they beat them up, and kill them?!?! " He totally melted down,

> and refused to read anymore. I sent his teacher a message, saying he was> upset about it, and she stopped the reading.> > I am just wondering if this is common for our kids to think this way? And if

> so, is there anyway to help them think through it differently? It seems to> be getting worse as he gets older.> > Thanks!> Jenn*>

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Like them saying, we don't think our son has 'any empathy', when I didn't say ANYTHING about empathy!Jenn

Also, I read your page where u posted what I wrote, and it looks like others are blowing what I said out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you would tell them that they are assuming things that are not true.

 

Thanks!Jenn

Hey ,

 

I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten, which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that I had to calm down the situation.

 

My oldest son explained to him that slavery does still happen, but he doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I DO have to be careful with how I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do u tell a five year old ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to leave our house.

 

is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

 

My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out happens quite often during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot! We are working with his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help him cope with things like the slavery issue.

 

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch him or his things.

 

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo washes the germs away.

 

His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because 'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am just curious.

 

No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as possible when he becomes and adult. I actually posted something about this yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their friends were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism, because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were focusing more on their anger then finding ways to help their child be the best he or she can be!

 

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc. I ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

 

Jenn

 

 

 

 

Dear Jenn,I hope you can re-read that post with care and concern and all the insight you can muster. Slavery still does occur. The truth cannot harm anyone. No-one. What dignity is there in being denied the truth? Do you think perhaps your son may have been bullied? Have you heard that people with autism have no empathy? Does it strike you as odd that he was aghast at hearing that SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere fact some are NOT? I have put your post and a reply to it up for discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434 so that others can comment over time. It is a classic case of what NOT to do to your son. If you ever were querulous about why so many angry advocates for autism are out there " working against " parents best practices... stop and take a look now and see it like maybe no one else today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to hear...someone getting hurt. Have you tried hugging him for that outrageous normality? The flowing empathy. The spirit that enriches us all in a way violence undoes?2. As for blowing things out of proportion, perhaps the case is we are so deadened to sickening violence that he compensates for our lack of horror? Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves. They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International and see for yourself. Literally millions of them. Blood diamond slaves. Namib desert slaves. South Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's of thousands. coralled into working gold fields. Emerald jewel diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour. It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to insulate them. Why not begin a project with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage. Suffering violence is a life long condition. You know that. So why get disconcerted with the one who acutely feels that violence and NOT the ones who are violent who caused this innocence to be harmed in any way. Not a hair on head should be so harmed. Violence should not be eliminated for the sake of us guilty ones, but for him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't tell him it won't happen to him - he is among the most vulnerable to it! Tell him how to defend himself, how to help bring violence to an end, something constructive, but not a lie to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of this world and NOT ignore the news - no matter what it portrays. We have a right to reality. To the dignity of being at risk, and to the ineffable dignity of protecting ourselves from violence without the false shield of untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I am pleading with everyone to think before they speak hurtfulness and wrongness. I see posts above and below yours that call us abnormal and sick and in need of termination (though they use code words like " genetic identification " to mask what they mean... what else were they gonna do with the genetic information? Get it framed? Build an Autists Cradle in advance? Send the parents off for grief counselling immediately after conception? Save up extra for velcro-closure shoes? But did they think before they welcomed genetic advances??? We are 70 million strong us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my say also,Asperger's Syndrome New Zealandinfo@...www.asnz.exofire.net

Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand[i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie, father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government Lived Experience Representative on theMinistry of Health ASD Expert Advisory Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10 hours a day to challenge the huge number of assumptions others make about autism everyday.]

>> *I am just wondering if any of your kids blow things out of proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son does not like to hear anything that has to> do with someone getting hurt, the military, policemen, wars, or slavery,> etc. Even if he is learning about it in school. Whenever he does, he will

> add things to it (that are not true, he is just assuming it's true), and> completely blow it out or proportion and get upset. *> *> > For example, he is doing summer school with his Special Ed teacher (thru his

> online charter school). Today they were reading about slavery, and then when> heard about that someone's owner did not beat them, he lost it! He> said, " U mean they beat them up, and kill them?!?! " He totally melted down,

> and refused to read anymore. I sent his teacher a message, saying he was> upset about it, and she stopped the reading.> > I am just wondering if this is common for our kids to think this way? And if

> so, is there anyway to help them think through it differently? It seems to> be getting worse as he gets older.> > Thanks!> Jenn*>

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Ignore him Jenn! What a jerk!

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Like them saying, we don't think our son has 'any empathy', when I didn't say

ANYTHING about empathy!

Jenn

Also, I read your page where u posted what I wrote, and it looks like others are

blowing what I said out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you would

tell them that they are assuming things that are not true.

 

Thanks!

Jenn

Hey ,

 

I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or

do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID

NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten,

which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that

I had to calm down the situation.

 

My oldest son explained to him that slavery does still happen, but he

doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people

out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I DO have to be careful with how

I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do

u tell a five year old ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent

would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent,

that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it

differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to

leave our house.

 

is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he

actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees

things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel

the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have

to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

 

My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out happens

quite often during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of

the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself

down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot! We are working with

his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he

desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I

pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The

school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help

him cope with things like the slavery issue.

 

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did

not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs,

because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It

was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a

lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch

him or his things.

 

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that

ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one

kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not

kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me

DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that

shampoo washes the germs away.

 

His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because

'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill

people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good

germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son

will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am

just curious.

 

No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son,

I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live!

I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as

possible when he becomes and adult. I actually posted something about this

yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their

friends were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism,

because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were

focusing more on their anger then finding ways to help their child be the best

he or she can be!

 

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about

unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot

about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his

disabilities, etc. I ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop

feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and

when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so

I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

 

Jenn

 

 

 

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--- Original Message ---

Sent: June 10, 2011 6/10/11

To: autism-aspergers

Subject: Re: Re: My Son Is Sensitive To Hearing Certain

Topics

 

Hey ,

 

I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or

do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID

NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten,

which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that

I had to calm down the situation.

 

My oldest son explained to him that slavery does still happen, but he

doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people

out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I DO have to be careful with how

I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do

u tell a five year old ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent

would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent,

that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it

differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to

leave our house.

 

is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he

actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees

things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel

the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have

to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

 

My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out happens

quite often during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of

the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself

down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot! We are working with

his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he

desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I

pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The

school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help

him cope with things like the slavery issue.

 

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did

not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs,

because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It

was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a

lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch

him or his things.

 

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that

ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one

kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not

kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me

DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that

shampoo washes the germs away.

 

His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because

'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill

people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good

germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son

will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am

just curious.

 

No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son,

I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live!

I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as

possible when he becomes and adult. I actually posted something about this

yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their

friends were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism,

because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were

focusing more on their anger then finding ways to help their child be the best

he or she can be!

 

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about

unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot

about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his

disabilities, etc. I ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop

feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and

when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so

I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

 

Jenn

 

 

 

 

Dear Jenn,

I hope you can re-read that post with care and concern and all the insight you

can muster. Slavery still does occur. The truth cannot harm anyone. No-one. What

dignity is there in being denied the truth? Do you think perhaps your son may

have been bullied? Have you heard that people with autism have no empathy? Does

it strike you as odd that he was aghast at hearing that SOME slaves are beaten -

by the mere fact some are NOT? I have put your post and a reply to it up f that

SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere fact some are NOT? I have

> put your post and a reply to it up for discussion at

> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434 so that

> others can comment over time. It is a classic case of what NOT to do to your

> son. If you ever were querulous about why so many angry advocates for autism

> are out there " working against " parents best practices... stop and take a

> look now and see it like maybe no one else today may get to see it.

>

> 1. My son does not like to hear...someone getting hurt. Have you tried

> hugging him for that outrageous normality? The flowing empathy. The spirit

> that enriches us all in a way violence undoes?

> 2. As for blowing things out of proportion, perhaps the case is we are so

> deadened to sickening violence that he compensates for our lack of horror?

> Maybe, eh.

> 3. They still beat and kill slaves. They do. Go to

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International and see for

> yourself. Literally millions of them. Blood diamond slaves. Namib desert

> slaves. South Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's of thousands.

> coralled into working gold fields. Emerald jewel diggers. Child slaves.

> Forced labour. It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to insulate them. Why not

> begin a project with them to end slavery instead?

> 4. It is not a phase or a stage. Suffering violence is a life long

> condition. You know that. So why get disconcerted with the one who acutely

> feels that violence and NOT the ones who are violent who caused this

> innocence to be harmed in any way. Not a hair on head should be so harmed.

> Violence should not be eliminated for the sake of us guilty ones, but for

> him surely.

> 5. If violence is in the news - don't tell him it won't happen to him - he

> is among the most vulnerable to it! Tell him how to defend himself, how to

> help bring violence to an end, something constructive, but not a lie to fuel

> the violence.

> 6. We have a right to be a part of this world and NOT ignore the news - no

> matter what it portrays. We have a right to reality. To the dignity of being

> at risk, and to the ineffable dignity of protecting ourselves from violence

> without the false shield of untruth.

> I am not getting at you personally, I am pleading with everyone to think

> before they speak hurtfulness and wrongness. I see posts above and below

> yours that call us abnormal and sick and in need of termination (though they

> use code words like " genetic identification " to mask what they mean... what

> else were they gonna do with the genetic information? Get it framed? Build

> an Autists Cradle in advance? Send the parents off for grief counselling

> immediately after conception? Save up extra for velcro-closure shoes? But

> did they think before they welcomed genetic advances??? We are 70 million

> strong us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be the last of our kind. Period.)

>

> Thank you for tolerating me having my say also,

>

> Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand

> info@...

> www.asnz.exofire.net

> Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand

>

> [i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie, father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government

> Lived Experience Representative on the

> Ministry of Health ASD Expert Advisory Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10

> hours a day to challenge the huge number of assumptions others make about

> autism everyday.]

>

>

> >

> > *I am just wondering if any of your kids blow things out of proportion

> when

> > they hear certain topics? My son does not like to hear anything that has

> to

> > do with someone getting hurt, the military, policemen, wars, or slavery,

> > etc. Even if he is learning about it in school. Whenever he does, he will

> > add things to it (that are not true, he is just assuming it's true), and

> > completely blow it out or proportion and get upset. *

> > *

> >

> > For example, he is doing summer school with his Special Ed teacher (thru

> his

> > online charter school). Today they were reading about slavery, and then

> when

> > heard about that someone's owner did not beat them, he lost it! He

> > said, " U mean they beat them up, and kill them?!?! " He totally melted

> down,

> > and refused to read anymore. I sent his teacher a message, saying he was

> > upset about it, and she stopped the reading.

> >

> > I am just wondering if this is common for our kids to think this way? And

> if

> > so, is there anyway to help them think through it differently? It seems

> to

> > be getting worse as he gets older.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Jenn*

> >

>

>

>

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Just on that point - could everyone please remember that nothing

from this group is to be posted elsewhere unless you have permission

from the original poster. 

Thank you

[moderator]

 

Also, I read your page where u posted what I

wrote, and it looks like others are blowing what I said

out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you

would tell them that they are assuming things that are

not true.

�

Thanks!

Jenn

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:14 PM,

Jenn

wrote:

Hey ,

�

I appreciate your concern, but u are

assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First

of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the

slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when

added that means other slaves were beaten, which is

true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional

state was so bad, that I had to calm down the

situation.

�

My oldest son explained�to him�that�slavery

does still�happen, but he doesn't need to fear

because there are people trying to help get those

people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but

I�DO�have to be careful with how I phrase things. He

is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years

old. So do u tell a five year old�ALL about violence

in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I

shared every detail of violence to a five year old?

As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u

have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that

he does understand, but doesn't get scared or

terrified to leave our house.

�

is very empathetic, I have known

that for a long time. He has told me he actually

'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he

hears things or sees things, he said it is

emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can

'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way,

but not as much as my son. We have to constantly

watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't

stressed out.

�

My son has been regressing since about

December (which I found out�happens quite

often�during puberty), his sensory issues have

gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let

us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself

down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them

a lot!�We are working with his online charter school

to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he

desperately needs because of his sensory issues.

Because of this regression, I pulled him out of

school to homeschool him thru an online charter

school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist

who is working with him, trying to help him cope

with things like the slavery issue.

�

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion

is that he will add things that did not happen, or

just assume they happened. For example, he is

terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs

that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It

was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as

cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is

very 'visual', so now freaks out if people

touch him or his things.

�

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over

him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take

years and years to die, etc. When he was in public

school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are

all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them.

So came home crying, and wanted to shave his

head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and

FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo

washes the germs away.

�

His Psychologist has told him about the

truth about germs, because 'assumes' many

things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL

germs' kill people, which is not true. The

Psychologist has told him that there are good germs

and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill

u, but still my son will not believe him. So how

would u handle this situation if u were me? I am

just curious.

�

No matter what u are assuming about me, I

am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing

on helping him cope with life, and live the best

life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life

skills, so he can live as independantly as possible

when he�becomes and adult.�I actually posted

something about this yesterday and today on my FB

page, because one of my FB friends and their

friends�were going all off on how they are angry

about their child's autism, because they believe

autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they

were focusing more on�their anger�then finding ways

to help their child be the best he or she can be!

�

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I

wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional

love and forgiveness towards others, my son has

taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he

is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc.

I�ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him

stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son

also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset,

his tics get really bad and give him really bad

headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a

minimum because of his health issues.

�

Jenn

�

�

�

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at

7:31 AM,

wrote:

�

Dear Jenn,

I hope you can re-read that post with

care and concern and all the insight

you can muster. Slavery still does

occur. The truth cannot harm anyone.

No-one. What dignity is there in being

denied the truth? Do you think perhaps

your son may have been bullied? Have

you heard that people with autism have

no empathy? Does it strike you as odd

that he was aghast at hearing that

SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere

fact some are NOT? I have put your

post and a reply to it up for

discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434

so that others can comment over time.

It is a classic case of what NOT to do

to your son. If you ever were

querulous about why so many angry

advocates for autism are out there

"working against" parents best

practices... stop and take a look now

and see it like maybe no one else

today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to

hear...someone getting hurt. Have you

tried hugging him for that outrageous

normality? The flowing empathy. The

spirit that enriches us all in a way

violence undoes?

2. As for blowing things out of

proportion, perhaps the case is we are

so deadened to sickening violence that

he compensates for our lack of horror?

Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves.

They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International

and see for yourself. Literally

millions of them. Blood diamond

slaves. Namib desert slaves. South

Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's

of thousands. coralled into

working gold fields. Emerald jewel

diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour.

It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to

insulate them. Why not begin a project

with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage.

Suffering violence is a life long

condition. You know that. So why get

disconcerted with the one who acutely

feels that violence and NOT the ones

who are violent who caused this

innocence to be harmed in any way. Not

a hair on head should be so harmed.

Violence should not be eliminated for

the sake of us guilty ones, but for

him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't

tell him it won't happen to him - he

is among the most vulnerable to it!

Tell him how to defend himself, how to

help bring violence to an end,

something constructive, but not a lie

to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of

this world and NOT ignore the news -

no matter what it portrays. We have a

right to reality. To the dignity of

being at risk, and to the ineffable

dignity of protecting ourselves from

violence without the false shield of

untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I

am pleading with everyone to think

before they speak hurtfulness and

wrongness. I see posts above and below

yours that call us abnormal and sick

and in need of termination (though

they use code words like "genetic

identification" to mask what they

mean... what else were they gonna do

with the genetic information? Get it

framed? Build an Autists Cradle in

advance? Send the parents off for

grief counselling immediately after

conception? Save up extra for

velcro-closure shoes? But did they

think before they welcomed genetic

advances??? We are 70 million strong

us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be

the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my

say also,

Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand

info@...

www.asnz.exofire.net

Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New

Zealand

[i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie,

father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government

Lived Experience Representative on the

Ministry of Health ASD Expert Advisory

Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10

hours a day to challenge the huge

number of assumptions others make

about autism everyday.]

>

> *I am just wondering if any of

your kids blow things out of

proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son

does not like to hear anything that

has to

> do with someone getting hurt, the

military, policemen, wars, or slavery,

> etc. Even if he is learning about

it in school. Whenever he does, he

will

> add things to it (that are not

true, he is just assuming it's true),

and

> completely blow it out or

proportion and get upset. *

> *

>

> For example, he is doing summer

school with his Special Ed teacher

(thru his

> online charter school). Today

they were reading about slavery, and

then when

> heard about that someone's

owner did not beat them, he lost it!

He

> said, "U mean they beat them up,

and kill them?!?!" He totally melted

down,

> and refused to read anymore. I

sent his teacher a message, saying he

was

> upset about it, and she stopped

the reading.

>

> I am just wondering if this is

common for our kids to think this way?

And if

> so, is there anyway to help them

think through it differently? It seems

to

> be getting worse as he gets

older.

>

> Thanks!

> Jenn*

>

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Just on that point - could everyone please remember that nothing

from this group is to be posted elsewhere unless you have permission

from the original poster. 

Thank you

[moderator]

 

Also, I read your page where u posted what I

wrote, and it looks like others are blowing what I said

out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you

would tell them that they are assuming things that are

not true.

�

Thanks!

Jenn

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:14 PM,

Jenn

wrote:

Hey ,

�

I appreciate your concern, but u are

assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First

of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the

slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when

added that means other slaves were beaten, which is

true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional

state was so bad, that I had to calm down the

situation.

�

My oldest son explained�to him�that�slavery

does still�happen, but he doesn't need to fear

because there are people trying to help get those

people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but

I�DO�have to be careful with how I phrase things. He

is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years

old. So do u tell a five year old�ALL about violence

in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I

shared every detail of violence to a five year old?

As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u

have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that

he does understand, but doesn't get scared or

terrified to leave our house.

�

is very empathetic, I have known

that for a long time. He has told me he actually

'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he

hears things or sees things, he said it is

emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can

'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way,

but not as much as my son. We have to constantly

watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't

stressed out.

�

My son has been regressing since about

December (which I found out�happens quite

often�during puberty), his sensory issues have

gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let

us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself

down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them

a lot!�We are working with his online charter school

to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he

desperately needs because of his sensory issues.

Because of this regression, I pulled him out of

school to homeschool him thru an online charter

school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist

who is working with him, trying to help him cope

with things like the slavery issue.

�

What I mean by blowing it out of proportion

is that he will add things that did not happen, or

just assume they happened. For example, he is

terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs

that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It

was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as

cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is

very 'visual', so now freaks out if people

touch him or his things.

�

He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over

him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take

years and years to die, etc. When he was in public

school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are

all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them.

So came home crying, and wanted to shave his

head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and

FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo

washes the germs away.

�

His Psychologist has told him about the

truth about germs, because 'assumes' many

things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL

germs' kill people, which is not true. The

Psychologist has told him that there are good germs

and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill

u, but still my son will not believe him. So how

would u handle this situation if u were me? I am

just curious.

�

No matter what u are assuming about me, I

am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing

on helping him cope with life, and live the best

life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life

skills, so he can live as independantly as possible

when he�becomes and adult.�I actually posted

something about this yesterday and today on my FB

page, because one of my FB friends and their

friends�were going all off on how they are angry

about their child's autism, because they believe

autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they

were focusing more on�their anger�then finding ways

to help their child be the best he or she can be!

�

If it weren't for my son's Autism, I

wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional

love and forgiveness towards others, my son has

taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he

is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc.

I�ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him

stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son

also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset,

his tics get really bad and give him really bad

headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a

minimum because of his health issues.

�

Jenn

�

�

�

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at

7:31 AM,

wrote:

�

Dear Jenn,

I hope you can re-read that post with

care and concern and all the insight

you can muster. Slavery still does

occur. The truth cannot harm anyone.

No-one. What dignity is there in being

denied the truth? Do you think perhaps

your son may have been bullied? Have

you heard that people with autism have

no empathy? Does it strike you as odd

that he was aghast at hearing that

SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere

fact some are NOT? I have put your

post and a reply to it up for

discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434

so that others can comment over time.

It is a classic case of what NOT to do

to your son. If you ever were

querulous about why so many angry

advocates for autism are out there

"working against" parents best

practices... stop and take a look now

and see it like maybe no one else

today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to

hear...someone getting hurt. Have you

tried hugging him for that outrageous

normality? The flowing empathy. The

spirit that enriches us all in a way

violence undoes?

2. As for blowing things out of

proportion, perhaps the case is we are

so deadened to sickening violence that

he compensates for our lack of horror?

Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves.

They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International

and see for yourself. Literally

millions of them. Blood diamond

slaves. Namib desert slaves. South

Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's

of thousands. coralled into

working gold fields. Emerald jewel

diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour.

It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to

insulate them. Why not begin a project

with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage.

Suffering violence is a life long

condition. You know that. So why get

disconcerted with the one who acutely

feels that violence and NOT the ones

who are violent who caused this

innocence to be harmed in any way. Not

a hair on head should be so harmed.

Violence should not be eliminated for

the sake of us guilty ones, but for

him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't

tell him it won't happen to him - he

is among the most vulnerable to it!

Tell him how to defend himself, how to

help bring violence to an end,

something constructive, but not a lie

to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of

this world and NOT ignore the news -

no matter what it portrays. We have a

right to reality. To the dignity of

being at risk, and to the ineffable

dignity of protecting ourselves from

violence without the false shield of

untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I

am pleading with everyone to think

before they speak hurtfulness and

wrongness. I see posts above and below

yours that call us abnormal and sick

and in need of termination (though

they use code words like "genetic

identification" to mask what they

mean... what else were they gonna do

with the genetic information? Get it

framed? Build an Autists Cradle in

advance? Send the parents off for

grief counselling immediately after

conception? Save up extra for

velcro-closure shoes? But did they

think before they welcomed genetic

advances??? We are 70 million strong

us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be

the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my

say also,

Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand

info@...

www.asnz.exofire.net

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Zealand

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Lived Experience Representative on the

Ministry of Health ASD Expert Advisory

Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10

hours a day to challenge the huge

number of assumptions others make

about autism everyday.]

>

> *I am just wondering if any of

your kids blow things out of

proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son

does not like to hear anything that

has to

> do with someone getting hurt, the

military, policemen, wars, or slavery,

> etc. Even if he is learning about

it in school. Whenever he does, he

will

> add things to it (that are not

true, he is just assuming it's true),

and

> completely blow it out or

proportion and get upset. *

> *

>

> For example, he is doing summer

school with his Special Ed teacher

(thru his

> online charter school). Today

they were reading about slavery, and

then when

> heard about that someone's

owner did not beat them, he lost it!

He

> said, "U mean they beat them up,

and kill them?!?!" He totally melted

down,

> and refused to read anymore. I

sent his teacher a message, saying he

was

> upset about it, and she stopped

the reading.

>

> I am just wondering if this is

common for our kids to think this way?

And if

> so, is there anyway to help them

think through it differently? It seems

to

> be getting worse as he gets

older.

>

> Thanks!

> Jenn*

>

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Also, I read your page where u posted what I wrote, and it looks like others are blowing what I said out of proportion, so I would really appreciate if you would tell them that they are assuming things that are not true.

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Thanks!Jenn

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I appreciate your concern, but u are assuming a lot here that I didn't say or do. First of all in what his teacher had him read, it said the slave's owner DID NOT beat him. That is when added that means other slaves were beaten, which is true, but it came out of nowhere. His emotional state was so bad, that I had to calm down the situation.

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My oldest son explained�to him�that�slavery does still�happen, but he doesn't need to fear because there are people trying to help get those people out of slavery. I am honest with my son, but I�DO�have to be careful with how I phrase things. He is 12 years old, but emotionally is only 5 years old. So do u tell a five year old�ALL about violence in the world? What kind of parent would I be if I shared every detail of violence to a five year old? As a parent, that is NOT the right thing to do. So u have to find ways to phrase it differently, so that he does understand, but doesn't get scared or terrified to leave our house.

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is very empathetic, I have known that for a long time. He has told me he actually 'feels others emotions' sometimes, which when he hears things or sees things, he said it is emotionally hard for him to handle, because he can 'feel the emotion', and honestly I am the same way, but not as much as my son. We have to constantly watch what we say or do around him, so that he isn't stressed out.

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My son has been regressing since about December (which I found out�happens quite often�during puberty), his sensory issues have gotten so bad that most of the time he will not let us hug him when he is upset, he has to calm himself down. But he will give us air hugs, and we give them a lot!�We are working with his online charter school to get him tested for Occupational Therapy, which he desperately needs because of his sensory issues. Because of this regression, I pulled him out of school to homeschool him thru an online charter school. The school has give him a GREAT Psychologist who is working with him, trying to help him cope with things like the slavery issue.

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What I mean by blowing it out of proportion is that he will add things that did not happen, or just assume they happened. For example, he is terrified of germs, because of a movie about germs that a teacher showed the class two years ago. It was a cartoon and very visual showing the germs as cartoons, and exaggerated a lot of things. is very 'visual', so now freaks out if people touch him or his things.

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He 'visualizes' the germs crawling all over him and his stuff. And thinks that ALL germs take years and years to die, etc. When he was in public school, one kid (a bully) told him that germs are all over your hair, and shampoo will not kill them. So came home crying, and wanted to shave his head! It took me DAYS to get him to calm down, and FINALLY believe me when I told him that shampoo washes the germs away.

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His Psychologist has told him about the truth about germs, because 'assumes' many things about them that are not true. He thinks 'ALL germs' kill people, which is not true. The Psychologist has told him that there are good germs and bad germs, but even most bad germs will not kill u, but still my son will not believe him. So how would u handle this situation if u were me? I am just curious.

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No matter what u are assuming about me, I am not looking for a cure for my son, I am focusing on helping him cope with life, and live the best life he can live! I am focusing on teaching him life skills, so he can live as independantly as possible when he�becomes and adult.�I actually posted something about this yesterday and today on my FB page, because one of my FB friends and their friends�were going all off on how they are angry about their child's autism, because they believe autism is man-made, etc. It bothered me that they were focusing more on�their anger�then finding ways to help their child be the best he or she can be!

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If it weren't for my son's Autism, I wouldn't have learned so much about unconditional love and forgiveness towards others, my son has taught me a lot about that! I love my son the way he is, despite all his fears, his disabilities, etc. I�ACCEPT him for who he is, I just want to help him stop feeling so much anxiety towards things. My son also has Tourette's Syndrome, and when he is upset, his tics get really bad and give him really bad headaches, so I have to try to keep his stress to a minimum because of his health issues.

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Jenn

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Dear Jenn,I hope you can re-read that post with care and concern and all the insight you can muster. Slavery still does occur. The truth cannot harm anyone. No-one. What dignity is there in being denied the truth? Do you think perhaps your son may have been bullied? Have you heard that people with autism have no empathy? Does it strike you as odd that he was aghast at hearing that SOME slaves are beaten - by the mere fact some are NOT? I have put your post and a reply to it up for discussion at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created & & note_id=218637238168434 so that others can comment over time. It is a classic case of what NOT to do to your son. If you ever were querulous about why so many angry advocates for autism are out there " working against " parents best practices... stop and take a look now and see it like maybe no one else today may get to see it.

1. My son does not like to hear...someone getting hurt. Have you tried hugging him for that outrageous normality? The flowing empathy. The spirit that enriches us all in a way violence undoes?2. As for blowing things out of proportion, perhaps the case is we are so deadened to sickening violence that he compensates for our lack of horror? Maybe, eh.

3. They still beat and kill slaves. They do. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavery_International and see for yourself. Literally millions of them. Blood diamond slaves. Namib desert slaves. South Sudanese Christian slaves by the 10's of thousands. coralled into working gold fields. Emerald jewel diggers. Child slaves. Forced labour. It is not wise to tell anyone a lie to insulate them. Why not begin a project with them to end slavery instead?

4. It is not a phase or a stage. Suffering violence is a life long condition. You know that. So why get disconcerted with the one who acutely feels that violence and NOT the ones who are violent who caused this innocence to be harmed in any way. Not a hair on head should be so harmed. Violence should not be eliminated for the sake of us guilty ones, but for him surely.

5. If violence is in the news - don't tell him it won't happen to him - he is among the most vulnerable to it! Tell him how to defend himself, how to help bring violence to an end, something constructive, but not a lie to fuel the violence.

6. We have a right to be a part of this world and NOT ignore the news - no matter what it portrays. We have a right to reality. To the dignity of being at risk, and to the ineffable dignity of protecting ourselves from violence without the false shield of untruth.

I am not getting at you personally, I am pleading with everyone to think before they speak hurtfulness and wrongness. I see posts above and below yours that call us abnormal and sick and in need of termination (though they use code words like " genetic identification " to mask what they mean... what else were they gonna do with the genetic information? Get it framed? Build an Autists Cradle in advance? Send the parents off for grief counselling immediately after conception? Save up extra for velcro-closure shoes? But did they think before they welcomed genetic advances??? We are 70 million strong us ASD people. We DO NOT want to be the last of our kind. Period.)

Thank you for tolerating me having my say also,Asperger's Syndrome New Zealandinfo@...www.asnz.exofire.net

Facebook = Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand[i am a son of an Aspie, an Aspie, father of an Aspie. I am NZ Government Lived Experience Representative on theMinistry of Health ASD Expert Advisory Group and 11 other bodies. I work 10 hours a day to challenge the huge number of assumptions others make about autism everyday.]

>> *I am just wondering if any of your kids blow things out of proportion when

> they hear certain topics? My son does not like to hear anything that has to> do with someone getting hurt, the military, policemen, wars, or slavery,> etc. Even if he is learning about it in school. Whenever he does, he will

> add things to it (that are not true, he is just assuming it's true), and> completely blow it out or proportion and get upset. *> *> > For example, he is doing summer school with his Special Ed teacher (thru his

> online charter school). Today they were reading about slavery, and then when> heard about that someone's owner did not beat them, he lost it! He> said, " U mean they beat them up, and kill them?!?! " He totally melted down,

> and refused to read anymore. I sent his teacher a message, saying he was> upset about it, and she stopped the reading.> > I am just wondering if this is common for our kids to think this way? And if

> so, is there anyway to help them think through it differently? It seems to> be getting worse as he gets older.> > Thanks!> Jenn*>

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