Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

[Guest guest]

,

I appreciate your immense knowledge on this subject. I too get a bit

perturbed when people hear misinformation from their doctors and then pass

it along as if it were fact. This group, especially, should understand that

if so few doctors are knowledgeable concerning plagiocephacly, most are

equally unknowledgeable concerning the methods of treatment. As I have said

before the medical profession is not an exact science. Doctor's only

recommend things they are familiar with. Why do you think drug companies

spend so much money advertising their drugs to doctors? If a doctor isn't

familiar with the DOC Band you are very likely to get misinformation. And

then that misinformation gets passed around, because we have been taught to

follow the doctor's orders. We as a group should know better than to

blindly accept a doctor's information. We are our children's best advocate.

We need to search out the available information and educate ourselves.

Wow - Sorry for the long post. As a sidenote, it's interesting that in

cities that have Cranial Technologies it's hard to find anybody that offers

the helmet. I wonder why? Anybody in Dallas have anything other than a DOC

Band?

Larry - Dad to , Doc Band Graduate.

>From: " , " <kevin@...>

>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

> " 'plagiocephalyegroups' " <plagiocephalyegroups>

>Subject: bands, helmets and the FDA

>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:02:37 -0500

>

>To all,

>

>I'm sorry but the misinformation about the DOC band and the FDA is starting

>to get to me! The opinion expressed below are my own! They do not reflect

>the University of Iowa or Cranial Technologies.

>

>The Cranial Technologies Statement on the FDA process can be found at

>http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/fdanote.htm. The FDA statement on

>the device was published in the Federal Register and is available at

>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1998_register & doci

>d=fr30jy98-13 (there is a working link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>

>Anyone who tells you that Cranial Technologies sought out regulation by the

>FDA is sorely misinformed (think about it).

>

>In fact, the FDA approached Cranial Tech to inform them that the DOC band

>fell into a device class regulated by the FDA. Cranial Tech worked

>diligently to repond to FDA requests. Among numerous other items, the FDA

>requested documentation that the DOC band was effective and did not

>restrict

>cranial growth. We were able to pull that information together and respond

>to the FDA questions because of Cranial Tech's monitoring system (see the

>Federal Registry link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>

>As for the helmet programs, they will need to do the same. NOT because

>Cranial Tech made the FDA regulate cranial orthoses. The helmet programs

>will need to comply because it is the law. If they are as safe and

>effective

>as the DOC band they should have no problem complying.

>

> M. , Ph.D.

>http://www.KM.net/

>http://www.MedAnth.org/

>Associate Research Scientist

>U of IA -- College of Public Health

>http://www.Public-Health.UIowa.edu

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Christi,

My comments were not intended to be an attack on your choices or decisions.

What I am frustrated at is the doctor's out there that are passing out

misinformation. Also I get frustrated when this type of misinformation

keeps getting passed on. As I stated we are our children's best advocate.

We have to do what's best for our children. DOC Band vs. Helmet is a

personal choice. Only you know what's best for your child. I apologize if

my comments were sign as a personal attack, because they were not meant to

be.

Larry - Dad to , DOC Band Graduate

>From: christik99@...

>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

><Plagiocephalyegroups>

>Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:16:57 -0700

>

>ok just to clear things up i said before that was the drs opinions not my

>own and if i lived closer to a clinic i may have tried the DOC band but i

>too am sick and tired of b/c we had no other chioce then the helmet being

>told we are doing something wrong or illegall . when the hospital would not

>be able to give us helmets if that was the case . the hospital where jenna

>got hers has been making them since 1976 and makes 60 a year . are we who

>cant afford to make the trip to be made feel guilty for trying to help our

>children?everyone agrees they both do the same job band maybe a little

>quicker. but i didnt think this was a compatition?and im sure there are not

>many people who have helmets in cities with doc clinics , like i have said

>before i may have tried them myself if closer .so whats the point of that ?

>i think its to dig in at people who use helmets well i know im being bitchy

>but i have had no sleep, and am trying to get ready to host the preschool

>easter party.i have ehough people who give me crap just about getting the

>helmet b/c they all still tell me her head will round out and im hurting

>her

>,then to get crap her where i come for support.i wont be back on till late

>tonight i think , hopefully the day starts looking up after this

>christi

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Larry Hoffman <travis_dad@...>

>Plagiocephalyegroups <Plagiocephalyegroups>

>Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:53 AM

>Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>

>

> >,

> >

> >I appreciate your immense knowledge on this subject. I too get a bit

> >perturbed when people hear misinformation from their doctors and then

>pass

> >it along as if it were fact. This group, especially, should understand

>that

> >if so few doctors are knowledgeable concerning plagiocephacly, most are

> >equally unknowledgeable concerning the methods of treatment. As I have

>said

> >before the medical profession is not an exact science. Doctor's only

> >recommend things they are familiar with. Why do you think drug companies

> >spend so much money advertising their drugs to doctors? If a doctor

>isn't

> >familiar with the DOC Band you are very likely to get misinformation.

>And

> >then that misinformation gets passed around, because we have been taught

>to

> >follow the doctor's orders. We as a group should know better than to

> >blindly accept a doctor's information. We are our children's best

>advocate.

> > We need to search out the available information and educate ourselves.

> >

> >Wow - Sorry for the long post. As a sidenote, it's interesting that in

> >cities that have Cranial Technologies it's hard to find anybody that

>offers

> >the helmet. I wonder why? Anybody in Dallas have anything other than a

>DOC

> >Band?

> >

> >Larry - Dad to , Doc Band Graduate.

> >

> >>From: " , " <kevin@...>

> >>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

> >> " 'plagiocephalyegroups' " <plagiocephalyegroups>

> >>Subject: bands, helmets and the FDA

> >>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:02:37 -0500

> >>

> >>To all,

> >>

> >>I'm sorry but the misinformation about the DOC band and the FDA is

>starting

> >>to get to me! The opinion expressed below are my own! They do not

>reflect

> >>the University of Iowa or Cranial Technologies.

> >>

> >>The Cranial Technologies Statement on the FDA process can be found at

> >>http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/fdanote.htm. The FDA statement

>on

> >>the device was published in the Federal Register and is available at

> >>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1998_register & do

>ci

> >>d=fr30jy98-13 (there is a working link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

> >>

> >>Anyone who tells you that Cranial Technologies sought out regulation by

>the

> >>FDA is sorely misinformed (think about it).

> >>

> >>In fact, the FDA approached Cranial Tech to inform them that the DOC

>band

> >>fell into a device class regulated by the FDA. Cranial Tech worked

> >>diligently to repond to FDA requests. Among numerous other items, the

>FDA

> >>requested documentation that the DOC band was effective and did not

> >>restrict

> >>cranial growth. We were able to pull that information together and

>respond

> >>to the FDA questions because of Cranial Tech's monitoring system (see

>the

> >>Federal Registry link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

> >>

> >>As for the helmet programs, they will need to do the same. NOT because

> >>Cranial Tech made the FDA regulate cranial orthoses. The helmet

>programs

> >>will need to comply because it is the law. If they are as safe and

> >>effective

> >>as the DOC band they should have no problem complying.

> >>

> >> M. , Ph.D.

> >>http://www.KM.net/

> >>http://www.MedAnth.org/

> >>Associate Research Scientist

> >>U of IA -- College of Public Health

> >>http://www.Public-Health.UIowa.edu

> >>

> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >>Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online

> >>reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day!

> >>Click here for more details.

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> >>

[Guest guest]

yea .

Judy

[Guest guest]

By the way do you anything about this study of 300 kids and how half were

left to nature and half were fitted with devices? Supposed these mild to

moderate kids all turned out the same.

I couldn't find it in the Links.

Judy

[Guest guest]

One additional thing I would like to clear up (I think I've said this

before on this list). My concern about mis-informaion is directed at

professionals in the medical community and NOT at caring parents on

and off this list.

Parents must make choices for their childern! Heck parents have to

make choices for themselves. I would simple like everyone to be able

to make the best informed choice from among the AVAILABLE

alternatives.

It is my simple opinion, that some of the information that healthcare

providers are spreading about the FDA regulation process (for

example, what happened, how long process takes) does not allow

parents to make an informed choice. Do I wait? Do I look

elsewhere? Maybe you can only wait. But shouldn't you be able to

decide that based on the realities of the situation?

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Christi!

Oh gee, I tell you, if our local helmet maker had as much experience

as yours does - I'd be doing it here, with a helmet! Flying/driving

to Dallas is a pain in the butt and expensive, too! We have

sacrificed a lot as well, especially on one income. I see a lot less

of my husband because he is taking extra work to pay for all this. A

lot of us here do have the DOC band, but I genuinely don't think we

were/are trying to disrespect you. I think it was likely more

addressed to the Dr.'s opinions and false information, than to you

personally. Another new member posted a lot more misinformation on

bands & helmets given by a doctor just yesterday or the day before!

Our own doctor was very critical of the DOC, basically said the same

thing as yours did.

You are making the best choice for your child and family - that is

what is REALLY important. You are doing a great job! Especially

with twins. I give you so much credit! (I can hardly keep it

together at times with just two!)

Tami

christik99@a... wrote:

> ok just to clear things up i said before that was the drs opinions

not my

> own and if i lived closer to a clinic i may have tried the DOC band

but i

> too am sick and tired of b/c we had no other chioce then the helmet

being

> told we are doing something wrong or illegall . when the hospital

would not

> be able to give us helmets if that was the case . the hospital

where jenna

> got hers has been making them since 1976 and makes 60 a year . are

we who

> cant afford to make the trip to be made feel guilty for trying to

help our

> children?everyone agrees they both do the same job band maybe a

little

> quicker. but i didnt think this was a compatition?and im sure there

are not

> many people who have helmets in cities with doc clinics , like i

have said

> before i may have tried them myself if closer .so whats the point

of that ?

> i think its to dig in at people who use helmets well i know im

being bitchy

> but i have had no sleep, and am trying to get ready to host the

preschool

> easter party.i have ehough people who give me crap just about

getting the

> helmet b/c they all still tell me her head will round out and im

hurting her

> ,then to get crap her where i come for support.i wont be back on

till late

> tonight i think , hopefully the day starts looking up after this

> christi

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Larry Hoffman <travis_dad@...>

> Plagiocephalyegroups <Plagiocephalyegroups>

> Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:53 AM

> Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>

>

> >,

> >

> >I appreciate your immense knowledge on this subject. I too get a

bit

> >perturbed when people hear misinformation from their doctors and

then pass

> >it along as if it were fact. This group, especially, should

understand

> that

> >if so few doctors are knowledgeable concerning plagiocephacly,

most are

> >equally unknowledgeable concerning the methods of treatment. As I

have said

> >before the medical profession is not an exact science. Doctor's

only

> >recommend things they are familiar with. Why do you think drug

companies

> >spend so much money advertising their drugs to doctors? If a

doctor isn't

> >familiar with the DOC Band you are very likely to get

misinformation. And

> >then that misinformation gets passed around, because we have been

taught to

> >follow the doctor's orders. We as a group should know better than

to

> >blindly accept a doctor's information. We are our children's best

> advocate.

> > We need to search out the available information and educate

ourselves.

> >

> >Wow - Sorry for the long post. As a sidenote, it's interesting

that in

> >cities that have Cranial Technologies it's hard to find anybody

that offers

> >the helmet. I wonder why? Anybody in Dallas have anything other

than a DOC

> >Band?

> >

> >Larry - Dad to , Doc Band Graduate.

> >

> >>From: " , " <kevin@...>

> >>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

> >> " 'plagiocephalyegroups' " <plagiocephalyegroups>

> >>Subject: bands, helmets and the FDA

> >>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:02:37 -0500

> >>

> >>To all,

> >>

> >>I'm sorry but the misinformation about the DOC band and the FDA is

> starting

> >>to get to me! The opinion expressed below are my own! They do

not

> reflect

> >>the University of Iowa or Cranial Technologies.

> >>

> >>The Cranial Technologies Statement on the FDA process can be

found at

> >>http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/fdanote.htm. The FDA

statement on

> >>the device was published in the Federal Register and is available

at

> >>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?

dbname=1998_register & do

> ci

> >>d=fr30jy98-13 (there is a working link at

http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

> >>

> >>Anyone who tells you that Cranial Technologies sought out

regulation by

> the

> >>FDA is sorely misinformed (think about it).

> >>

> >>In fact, the FDA approached Cranial Tech to inform them that the

DOC band

> >>fell into a device class regulated by the FDA. Cranial Tech

worked

> >>diligently to repond to FDA requests. Among numerous other

items, the FDA

> >>requested documentation that the DOC band was effective and did

not

> >>restrict

> >>cranial growth. We were able to pull that information together

and

> respond

> >>to the FDA questions because of Cranial Tech's monitoring system

(see the

> >>Federal Registry link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

> >>

> >>As for the helmet programs, they will need to do the same. NOT

because

> >>Cranial Tech made the FDA regulate cranial orthoses. The helmet

programs

> >>will need to comply because it is the law. If they are as safe and

> >>effective

> >>as the DOC band they should have no problem complying.

> >>

> >> M. , Ph.D.

> >>http://www.KM.net/

> >>http://www.MedAnth.org/

> >>Associate Research Scientist

> >>U of IA -- College of Public Health

> >>http://www.Public-Health.UIowa.edu

> >>

> >>------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >>Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online

> >>reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day!

> >>Click here for more details.

> >>1/3011/3/_/689409/_/956156550/

> >>------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Try the FDA link in the right hand column at

http://www.plagiocephaly.org (the link I put in the message gets

messed up with the text wrapping)

Only time will tell if your Doctors are correct about the FDA. I'm

assuming they can continue to make helmets until the FDA tells them

otherwise.

I don't know who you spoke to at Cranial Tech, my experience has been

that Cranial Tech has emphasized that the DOC band is the only FDA

approved cranial orthosis. That is currently true.

> and kevin the fda statement link doesnt work and cranial tech tell

me that

> my helmets is ilegal is the same as my drs telling me they dont

need fda

[Guest guest]

ok just to clear things up i said before that was the drs opinions not my

own and if i lived closer to a clinic i may have tried the DOC band but i

too am sick and tired of b/c we had no other chioce then the helmet being

told we are doing something wrong or illegall . when the hospital would not

be able to give us helmets if that was the case . the hospital where jenna

got hers has been making them since 1976 and makes 60 a year . are we who

cant afford to make the trip to be made feel guilty for trying to help our

children?everyone agrees they both do the same job band maybe a little

quicker. but i didnt think this was a compatition?and im sure there are not

many people who have helmets in cities with doc clinics , like i have said

before i may have tried them myself if closer .so whats the point of that ?

i think its to dig in at people who use helmets well i know im being bitchy

but i have had no sleep, and am trying to get ready to host the preschool

easter party.i have ehough people who give me crap just about getting the

helmet b/c they all still tell me her head will round out and im hurting her

,then to get crap her where i come for support.i wont be back on till late

tonight i think , hopefully the day starts looking up after this

christi

-----Original Message-----

From: Larry Hoffman <travis_dad@...>

Plagiocephalyegroups <Plagiocephalyegroups>

Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>,

>

>I appreciate your immense knowledge on this subject. I too get a bit

>perturbed when people hear misinformation from their doctors and then pass

>it along as if it were fact. This group, especially, should understand

that

>if so few doctors are knowledgeable concerning plagiocephacly, most are

>equally unknowledgeable concerning the methods of treatment. As I have said

>before the medical profession is not an exact science. Doctor's only

>recommend things they are familiar with. Why do you think drug companies

>spend so much money advertising their drugs to doctors? If a doctor isn't

>familiar with the DOC Band you are very likely to get misinformation. And

>then that misinformation gets passed around, because we have been taught to

>follow the doctor's orders. We as a group should know better than to

>blindly accept a doctor's information. We are our children's best

advocate.

> We need to search out the available information and educate ourselves.

>

>Wow - Sorry for the long post. As a sidenote, it's interesting that in

>cities that have Cranial Technologies it's hard to find anybody that offers

>the helmet. I wonder why? Anybody in Dallas have anything other than a DOC

>Band?

>

>Larry - Dad to , Doc Band Graduate.

>

>>From: " , " <kevin@...>

>>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

>> " 'plagiocephalyegroups' " <plagiocephalyegroups>

>>Subject: bands, helmets and the FDA

>>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:02:37 -0500

>>

>>To all,

>>

>>I'm sorry but the misinformation about the DOC band and the FDA is

starting

>>to get to me! The opinion expressed below are my own! They do not

reflect

>>the University of Iowa or Cranial Technologies.

>>

>>The Cranial Technologies Statement on the FDA process can be found at

>>http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/fdanote.htm. The FDA statement on

>>the device was published in the Federal Register and is available at

>>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1998_register & do

ci

>>d=fr30jy98-13 (there is a working link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>>

>>Anyone who tells you that Cranial Technologies sought out regulation by

the

>>FDA is sorely misinformed (think about it).

>>

>>In fact, the FDA approached Cranial Tech to inform them that the DOC band

>>fell into a device class regulated by the FDA. Cranial Tech worked

>>diligently to repond to FDA requests. Among numerous other items, the FDA

>>requested documentation that the DOC band was effective and did not

>>restrict

>>cranial growth. We were able to pull that information together and

respond

>>to the FDA questions because of Cranial Tech's monitoring system (see the

>>Federal Registry link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>>

>>As for the helmet programs, they will need to do the same. NOT because

>>Cranial Tech made the FDA regulate cranial orthoses. The helmet programs

>>will need to comply because it is the law. If they are as safe and

>>effective

>>as the DOC band they should have no problem complying.

>>

>> M. , Ph.D.

>>http://www.KM.net/

>>http://www.MedAnth.org/

>>Associate Research Scientist

>>U of IA -- College of Public Health

>>http://www.Public-Health.UIowa.edu

>>

>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online

>>reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day!

>>Click here for more details.

>>1/3011/3/_/689409/_/956156550/

>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

and kevin the fda statement link doesnt work and cranial tech tell me that

my helmets is ilegal is the same as my drs telling me they dont need fda

aproval

christi

-----Original Message-----

From: christik99@... <christik99@...>

Plagiocephalyegroups <Plagiocephalyegroups>

Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>ok just to clear things up i said before that was the drs opinions not my

>own and if i lived closer to a clinic i may have tried the DOC band but i

>too am sick and tired of b/c we had no other chioce then the helmet being

>told we are doing something wrong or illegall . when the hospital would not

>be able to give us helmets if that was the case . the hospital where jenna

>got hers has been making them since 1976 and makes 60 a year . are we who

>cant afford to make the trip to be made feel guilty for trying to help our

>children?everyone agrees they both do the same job band maybe a little

>quicker. but i didnt think this was a compatition?and im sure there are not

>many people who have helmets in cities with doc clinics , like i have said

>before i may have tried them myself if closer .so whats the point of that ?

>i think its to dig in at people who use helmets well i know im being bitchy

>but i have had no sleep, and am trying to get ready to host the preschool

>easter party.i have ehough people who give me crap just about getting the

>helmet b/c they all still tell me her head will round out and im hurting

her

>,then to get crap her where i come for support.i wont be back on till late

>tonight i think , hopefully the day starts looking up after this

>christi

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Larry Hoffman <travis_dad@...>

>Plagiocephalyegroups <Plagiocephalyegroups>

>Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:53 AM

>Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

>

>

>>,

>>

>>I appreciate your immense knowledge on this subject. I too get a bit

>>perturbed when people hear misinformation from their doctors and then pass

>>it along as if it were fact. This group, especially, should understand

>that

>>if so few doctors are knowledgeable concerning plagiocephacly, most are

>>equally unknowledgeable concerning the methods of treatment. As I have

said

>>before the medical profession is not an exact science. Doctor's only

>>recommend things they are familiar with. Why do you think drug companies

>>spend so much money advertising their drugs to doctors? If a doctor isn't

>>familiar with the DOC Band you are very likely to get misinformation.

And

>>then that misinformation gets passed around, because we have been taught

to

>>follow the doctor's orders. We as a group should know better than to

>>blindly accept a doctor's information. We are our children's best

>advocate.

>> We need to search out the available information and educate ourselves.

>>

>>Wow - Sorry for the long post. As a sidenote, it's interesting that in

>>cities that have Cranial Technologies it's hard to find anybody that

offers

>>the helmet. I wonder why? Anybody in Dallas have anything other than a

DOC

>>Band?

>>

>>Larry - Dad to , Doc Band Graduate.

>>

>>>From: " , " <kevin@...>

>>>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

>>> " 'plagiocephalyegroups' " <plagiocephalyegroups>

>>>Subject: bands, helmets and the FDA

>>>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:02:37 -0500

>>>

>>>To all,

>>>

>>>I'm sorry but the misinformation about the DOC band and the FDA is

>starting

>>>to get to me! The opinion expressed below are my own! They do not

>reflect

>>>the University of Iowa or Cranial Technologies.

>>>

>>>The Cranial Technologies Statement on the FDA process can be found at

>>>http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/fdanote.htm. The FDA statement on

>>>the device was published in the Federal Register and is available at

>>>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1998_register & d

o

>ci

>>>d=fr30jy98-13 (there is a working link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>>>

>>>Anyone who tells you that Cranial Technologies sought out regulation by

>the

>>>FDA is sorely misinformed (think about it).

>>>

>>>In fact, the FDA approached Cranial Tech to inform them that the DOC band

>>>fell into a device class regulated by the FDA. Cranial Tech worked

>>>diligently to repond to FDA requests. Among numerous other items, the

FDA

>>>requested documentation that the DOC band was effective and did not

>>>restrict

>>>cranial growth. We were able to pull that information together and

>respond

>>>to the FDA questions because of Cranial Tech's monitoring system (see the

>>>Federal Registry link at http://www.plagiocephaly.org)

>>>

>>>As for the helmet programs, they will need to do the same. NOT because

>>>Cranial Tech made the FDA regulate cranial orthoses. The helmet programs

>>>will need to comply because it is the law. If they are as safe and

>>>effective

>>>as the DOC band they should have no problem complying.

>>>

>>> M. , Ph.D.

>>>http://www.KM.net/

>>>http://www.MedAnth.org/

>>>Associate Research Scientist

>>>U of IA -- College of Public Health

>>>http://www.Public-Health.UIowa.edu

>>>

>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online

>>>reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day!

>>>Click here for more details.

>>>1/3011/3/_/689409/_/956156550/

>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>

>>>

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boy do i know where you are coming from!!! i am thankfully not hosting any

preschool easter parties this week or any other but talk about overworked and

underpaid.i too feel like maybe i'm not doing any justice to olivia by having

her wear this helmet.i don't know if a doc band is available anywhere close

to where i live.i just went with the advice of the pediatrician(by the by,no

other children in this practice have cranio or plagio so it's new to them

too) and the advice of the neuro we saw.i don't really have too much of a say

in insurance issues because olivia is on what we call mass health here in

massachusetts which is like public assistance because she is not my child,but

my sister's.i hope and pray day and night i am doing the right thing with

this helmet...it seems to have helped but what the h*ll do i know?

lynne

[Guest guest]

> By the way do you anything about this study of 300 kids and how

half were

> left to nature and half were fitted with devices? Supposed these

mild to

> moderate kids all turned out the same.

>

> I couldn't find it in the Links.

>

> Judy

Judy,

What study is that? Is my old age setting in? Sorry! You'll all

know about this when you have teenagers!!! ;-)

Thanks for the info!

[Guest guest]

Every person does what is best for their situation and experience.... I

don't feel that there has been a competition here between helmet or band --

and Christi is right -- if a parent is coming here for support, this simply

SHOULDN'T be what is debated...

I feel that everyone here wants to help their baby --- through whatever

means necessary. This is a matter of education (sometimes parents educating

doctors, sometimes drs. educating parents), of knowing options, of making

choices. Of standing up for what we know can be changed, and being heard.

Many of us feel frustrated because more information wasn't given to us when

we wanted it or needed it.

We should all be PROUD that we are doing something pro-active to help our

children. There is a lot of frustration out there dealing with insurance

and Drs. who don't want us to tell them how to treat patients (which is what

it sort of comes down to). Some parents here are dealing with other

physical problems other than plagiocephaly, and don't know if the

plagiocephaly is the cause or if it is " just one more thing to worry about. "

I truly hope that no one feels that he/she is being questioned HERE for the

type of treatment he/she has chosen for their child. If so, we are doing as

great a disservice to these parents as some of us feel our Dr.s have treated

us, and then some.

I feel that the FDA statements and links about the DOC band, etc. weren't

meant to second guess any statements given, or question any one person, but

were given so that the next time ANY parent here hears the same or similar

information about helmets from their own Drs. that he/she is informed enough

to give the Dr. the most current information available. That's not to say

that the doctor will listen to it or believe it (having articles might

help) -- but at least parents here can be empowered enough to question the

information that is given to them.... and if any of us didn't happen to

have current information when our babies were newborns (like the importance

of tummy time, or varying the side of the head the baby sleeps), we simply

have to LET GO of any guilt we may feel, and move ahead from today.... one

step at a time. For guilt and anger can lead to some very powerful negative

effects on our own physical and mental health....

I know this is a lot to try and do. I can't say I do it every day. Being

able to vent a little here helps us all, I think. Together we can try and

be supportive no matter what kind of mood these myriad issues bring to us on

a given day.... can't we?

Much peace.

(a.k.a. " Kali " )

[Guest guest]

- Applause for -

I think this has been a very emotional week for most of us. A

lot has been said. Let's not hold any grudges, ok?

We're all here to help one another, so lets put smiles on our faces

and get back to business!!

Everyone smiling???

I'll go then.

Kendra

Kali wrote:

Every person does what is best for their situation

and experience.... I

don't feel that there has been a competition here between helmet

or band --

and Christi is right -- if a parent is coming here for support,

this simply

SHOULDN'T be what is debated...

I feel that everyone here wants to help their baby --- through whatever

means necessary. This is a matter of education (sometimes

parents educating

doctors, sometimes drs. educating parents), of knowing options,

of making

choices. Of standing up for what we know can be changed,

and being heard.

Many of us feel frustrated because more information wasn't given

to us when

we wanted it or needed it.

We should all be PROUD that we are doing something pro-active to

help our

children. There is a lot of frustration out there dealing

with insurance

and Drs. who don't want us to tell them how to treat patients (which

is what

it sort of comes down to). Some parents here are dealing

with other

physical problems other than plagiocephaly, and don't know if the

plagiocephaly is the cause or if it is "just one more thing to

worry about."

I truly hope that no one feels that he/she is being questioned HERE

for the

type of treatment he/she has chosen for their child. If so,

we are doing as

great a disservice to these parents as some of us feel our Dr.s

have treated

us, and then some.

I feel that the FDA statements and links about the DOC band, etc.

weren't

meant to second guess any statements given, or question any one

person, but

were given so that the next time ANY parent here hears the same

or similar

information about helmets from their own Drs. that he/she is informed

enough

to give the Dr. the most current information available. That's

not to say

that the doctor will listen to it or believe it (having articles

might

help) -- but at least parents here can be empowered enough to question

the

information that is given to them.... and if any of us didn't

happen to

have current information when our babies were newborns (like the

importance

of tummy time, or varying the side of the head the baby sleeps),

we simply

have to LET GO of any guilt we may feel, and move ahead from today....

one

step at a time. For guilt and anger can lead to some very

powerful negative

effects on our own physical and mental health....

I know this is a lot to try and do. I can't say I do it every

day. Being

able to vent a little here helps us all, I think. Together

we can try and

be supportive no matter what kind of mood these myriad issues bring

to us on

a given day.... can't we?

Much peace.

(a.k.a. "Kali")

[Guest guest]

--

Very well said !

- In Plagiocephalyegroups, " Kali " <tnt@i...> wrote:

> Every person does what is best for their situation and

experience.... I

> don't feel that there has been a competition here between helmet or

band --

> and Christi is right -- if a parent is coming here for support,

this simply

> SHOULDN'T be what is debated...

>

> I feel that everyone here wants to help their baby --- through

whatever

> means necessary. This is a matter of education (sometimes parents

educating

> doctors, sometimes drs. educating parents), of knowing options, of

making

> choices. Of standing up for what we know can be changed, and being

heard.

>

> Many of us feel frustrated because more information wasn't given to

us when

> we wanted it or needed it.

>

> We should all be PROUD that we are doing something pro-active to

help our

> children. There is a lot of frustration out there dealing with

insurance

> and Drs. who don't want us to tell them how to treat patients

(which is what

> it sort of comes down to). Some parents here are dealing with other

> physical problems other than plagiocephaly, and don't know if the

> plagiocephaly is the cause or if it is " just one more thing to

worry about. "

>

> I truly hope that no one feels that he/she is being questioned HERE

for the

> type of treatment he/she has chosen for their child. If so, we are

doing as

> great a disservice to these parents as some of us feel our Dr.s

have treated

> us, and then some.

>

> I feel that the FDA statements and links about the DOC band, etc.

weren't

> meant to second guess any statements given, or question any one

person, but

> were given so that the next time ANY parent here hears the same or

similar

> information about helmets from their own Drs. that he/she is

informed enough

> to give the Dr. the most current information available. That's not

to say

> that the doctor will listen to it or believe it (having articles

might

> help) -- but at least parents here can be empowered enough to

question the

> information that is given to them.... and if any of us didn't

happen to

> have current information when our babies were newborns (like the

importance

> of tummy time, or varying the side of the head the baby sleeps), we

simply

> have to LET GO of any guilt we may feel, and move ahead from

today.... one

> step at a time. For guilt and anger can lead to some very powerful

negative

> effects on our own physical and mental health....

>

> I know this is a lot to try and do. I can't say I do it every

day. Being

> able to vent a little here helps us all, I think. Together we can

try and

> be supportive no matter what kind of mood these myriad issues bring

to us on

> a given day.... can't we?

>

> Much peace.

>

> (a.k.a. " Kali " )

[Guest guest]

...

BRAVO and THANK YOU!!!!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Polly

> Every person does what is best for their situation and

experience.... I

> don't feel that there has been a competition here between helmet or

band --

> and Christi is right -- if a parent is coming here for support,

this simply

> SHOULDN'T be what is debated...

>

> I feel that everyone here wants to help their baby --- through

whatever

> means necessary. This is a matter of education (sometimes parents

educating

> doctors, sometimes drs. educating parents), of knowing options, of

making

> choices. Of standing up for what we know can be changed, and being

heard.

>

> Many of us feel frustrated because more information wasn't given to

us when

> we wanted it or needed it.

>

> We should all be PROUD that we are doing something pro-active to

help our

> children. There is a lot of frustration out there dealing with

insurance

> and Drs. who don't want us to tell them how to treat patients

(which is what

> it sort of comes down to). Some parents here are dealing with other

> physical problems other than plagiocephaly, and don't know if the

> plagiocephaly is the cause or if it is " just one more thing to

worry about. "

>

> I truly hope that no one feels that he/she is being questioned HERE

for the

> type of treatment he/she has chosen for their child. If so, we are

doing as

> great a disservice to these parents as some of us feel our Dr.s

have treated

> us, and then some.

>

> I feel that the FDA statements and links about the DOC band, etc.

weren't

> meant to second guess any statements given, or question any one

person, but

> were given so that the next time ANY parent here hears the same or

similar

> information about helmets from their own Drs. that he/she is

informed enough

> to give the Dr. the most current information available. That's not

to say

> that the doctor will listen to it or believe it (having articles

might

> help) -- but at least parents here can be empowered enough to

question the

> information that is given to them.... and if any of us didn't

happen to

> have current information when our babies were newborns (like the

importance

> of tummy time, or varying the side of the head the baby sleeps), we

simply

> have to LET GO of any guilt we may feel, and move ahead from

today.... one

> step at a time. For guilt and anger can lead to some very powerful

negative

> effects on our own physical and mental health....

>

> I know this is a lot to try and do. I can't say I do it every

day. Being

> able to vent a little here helps us all, I think. Together we can

try and

> be supportive no matter what kind of mood these myriad issues bring

to us on

> a given day.... can't we?

>

> Much peace.

>

> (a.k.a. " Kali " )

[Guest guest]

The study was done by Moss ...see www.neurosurgery.org/journals/online. Stuart

-----Original Message-----

From: rmissirian@... [mailto:rmissirian@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:08 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

By the way do you anything about this study of 300 kids and how half were

left to nature and half were fitted with devices? Supposed these mild to

moderate kids all turned out the same.

I couldn't find it in the Links.

Judy

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[Guest guest]

Glad to see you made it over here, Stuart!

Kendra

"Blake, Stuart" wrote:

The study was done by Moss ...see www.neurosurgery.org/journals/online.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----

From: rmissirian@... [mailto:rmissirian@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:08 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: bands, helmets and the FDA

By the way do you anything about this study of 300 kids

and how half were

left to nature and half were fitted with devices?

Supposed these mild to

moderate kids all turned out the same.

I couldn't find it in the Links.

Judy

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[Guest guest]

christi

You are doing the right thing for your child if you are doing it out of love-

- trust yourself.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Thank you, thank you, Stuart.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Stuart

When I typed in www.neurosurgery.org/journals/online

I came up with nothing.

Can you help?

Judy

[Guest guest]

Http Error 404?

That is what I get.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Judy, go to the neurosurgery.org website, find the journal, then click on

archives - I had to dig around a bit, but I finally found it.

>>> <rmissirian@...> 04/20/00 03:04PM >>>

Stuart

When I typed in www.neurosurgery.org/journals/online

I came up with nothing.

Can you help?

Judy

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[Guest guest]

Here, I'll be a little more helpful:

http://www.neurosurgery.org/focus/index.html

After you click on that link, click on " Archives " and you will find the article

about 3/4 of the way down the page at Vol.2, Issue 2.

>>> " Semke " <kgsemke@...> 04/20/00 03:41PM >>>

Judy, go to the neurosurgery.org website, find the journal, then click on

archives - I had to dig around a bit, but I finally found it.

>>> <rmissirian@...> 04/20/00 03:04PM >>>

Stuart

When I typed in www.neurosurgery.org/journals/online

I came up with nothing.

Can you help?

Judy

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[Guest guest]

Christi-Big Hug! It does seem to get competitive...doc band vs. helmet. We

were only offered the doc band. Everyone is right, the Drs prescribe what

they are familiar with AND we all are limited by clinic proximity. We all

deserve credit just for getting our babies the treatment they need, and not

turning a blind eye to their condition & listening to the lame drs and

insurance carriers:)! Kimry

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

Judy