Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 We spoke with an autism specialist, Dr. Neel Soras, from UK, last week about this very thing. His take on it was to let nature take its course & help the person to understand that it is a natural occurence every woman goes through. I also worked with a girl several years ago, who's parents had her physician administer shots, similar to birth control, to prevent monthly cycles. The girl was FMD at about 5 years of age, although whe was really 18 years old. You're right to ask for other opinions. Even though my granddaughter is only 7 now, we'll be facing the same situation very soon. Good luck. S/Willowwind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood loss. She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding when she does get her period. Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate the period altogether. Janet mom to Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Question about puberty Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in their daughters? I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if anything you guys have found from past experiences. Thanks! Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Hi, My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts the pieces of the puzzle together. I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues involved there. I just want to help her. Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same issue and can give better insight. Pati > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood loss. > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding when she does get her period. > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate the period altogether. > > Janet mom to > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about puberty > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in their daughters? > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > Thanks! > Theresa > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Maybe you've already tried this, but what if she was to wear absorbant/disposable underwear, for those days, kinda like a pull up? Some of them are not quite as uncomfortable as adding a pad to your regular panties, but would still stop her from showing through clothes etc. And would be fine to toss out. Or have you tried or considered using re-useable pads? They are kinda like cloth diapers and are designed (or you can make your own) to be washed and reused. The big difference between that and the disposable pads from the store would be material. You can make (or order) them to be all cotton so the feel shouldn't be much different than wearing her panties. I also think encouraging her to wear them even when she doesn't need to, for short periods of time (that increase over time) to get her used to the feel and tolerating the difference in feel, would be worth a try... if you haven't already. There would obviously need to be some type of reward system put in place as well too. If she's so uncomfortable with even the idea of wearing one that she is lying and throwing out the soiled panties, then starting small and giving a reward could help her to build that up. Of course for us the most difficult part of behavior modification has always been finding rewards that are small and affordable (or free) but desireable enough for them to do the undesired task. Especially with my kids, cause one minute a sticker could mean the world to her and she'd be willing to move the earth to try to get it, but the next day (or 15 min. later) she couldn't care less about a sticker. But sit and brainstorm with your hubby, any therapists, or teachers etc. and create a list of items or activities she really enjoys. Right now, my older DD works on her behavior by earning trips to the library. She is very much into reading right now and constantly has books on reserve that the library calls to say she has to come pick up by a certain date. If she's having a bad day and been mouthy and nasty to me, then I don't take her to pick them up. IF she has a decent day then I'll make the trip and let her pick up her books. Once she has them she will often resort back to the attitude, so then I just take them away for a day or so. It's helping for her... although she just as ADHD (and likely a mood disorder) For the younger one, we have to switch out more often, sometimes it's stickers, sometimes it's a new (dollar store or thrift store) coloring book, or just time with scissors to cut cut cut! Hopefully you're able to find something to help soon. Unfortunately the going back and forth between your house and her mother's could ruin any progress that you make if you're not able to work with the mother to come to a solution. I don't envy your situation in the least, and I hope and pray that whatever is going on there can be resolved so that you all can work together to parent your step daughter. Parenting is not easy to begin with, toss in Aspergers and the difficulty is multiplied, but the difficulty is multiplied even more by having a spilt family that is not able to set aside differences and work together. Keep coming in for advice or just to vent. We're here for you. Theresa Theresa > > > Hi, > > My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. > Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts > the pieces of the puzzle together. > > I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having > with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she > has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her > and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with > the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs > to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I > wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are > now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear > pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled > panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. > > I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated > talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm > wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a > period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. > > I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues > involved there. I just want to help her. > > Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same > issue and can give better insight. > > Pati > > > > > > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She > suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the > normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood > loss. > > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding > when she does get her period. > > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate > the period altogether. > > > > Janet mom to > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about puberty > > > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick > your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use > medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in > their daughters? > > > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low > functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard > enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if > anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > > > Thanks! > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010  Wow Theresa! What great advice. My ASD daughter Madeleine is 10 1/2 but looks 13 and I expect her first period to arrive very soon. I love your ideas and plan to start putting them into force NOW! We'll start rewarding Madeleine for wearing pads for short periods of time, hopefully extending to longer periods of time.  I'm not autistic, but I too never liked wearing pads. I started using tampons when I was 12. However, for the last few months I've been using pads, showing my daughter what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it, hoping that she'll follow my example and not be afraid when she starts her period. I must say that pads aren't nearly as uncomfortable as they were 35 years ago!!! Improvements have been made !  ________________________________ To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 6:49:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: Question about puberty Maybe you've already tried this, but what if she was to wear absorbant/disposable underwear, for those days, kinda like a pull up? Some of them are not quite as uncomfortable as adding a pad to your regular panties, but would still stop her from showing through clothes etc. And would be fine to toss out. Or have you tried or considered using re-useable pads? They are kinda like cloth diapers and are designed (or you can make your own) to be washed and reused. The big difference between that and the disposable pads from the store would be material. You can make (or order) them to be all cotton so the feel shouldn't be much different than wearing her panties. I also think encouraging her to wear them even when she doesn't need to, for short periods of time (that increase over time) to get her used to the feel and tolerating the difference in feel, would be worth a try... if you haven't already. There would obviously need to be some type of reward system put in place as well too. If she's so uncomfortable with even the idea of wearing one that she is lying and throwing out the soiled panties, then starting small and giving a reward could help her to build that up. Of course for us the most difficult part of behavior modification has always been finding rewards that are small and affordable (or free) but desireable enough for them to do the undesired task. Especially with my kids, cause one minute a sticker could mean the world to her and she'd be willing to move the earth to try to get it, but the next day (or 15 min. later) she couldn't care less about a sticker. But sit and brainstorm with your hubby, any therapists, or teachers etc. and create a list of items or activities she really enjoys. Right now, my older DD works on her behavior by earning trips to the library. She is very much into reading right now and constantly has books on reserve that the library calls to say she has to come pick up by a certain date. If she's having a bad day and been mouthy and nasty to me, then I don't take her to pick them up. IF she has a decent day then I'll make the trip and let her pick up her books. Once she has them she will often resort back to the attitude, so then I just take them away for a day or so. It's helping for her... although she just as ADHD (and likely a mood disorder) For the younger one, we have to switch out more often, sometimes it's stickers, sometimes it's a new (dollar store or thrift store) coloring book, or just time with scissors to cut cut cut! Hopefully you're able to find something to help soon. Unfortunately the going back and forth between your house and her mother's could ruin any progress that you make if you're not able to work with the mother to come to a solution. I don't envy your situation in the least, and I hope and pray that whatever is going on there can be resolved so that you all can work together to parent your step daughter. Parenting is not easy to begin with, toss in Aspergers and the difficulty is multiplied, but the difficulty is multiplied even more by having a spilt family that is not able to set aside differences and work together. Keep coming in for advice or just to vent. We're here for you. Theresa Theresa > > > Hi, > > My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. > Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts > the pieces of the puzzle together. > > I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having > with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she > has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her > and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with > the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs > to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I > wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are > now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear > pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled > panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. > > I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated > talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm > wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a > period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. > > I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues > involved there. I just want to help her. > > Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same > issue and can give better insight. > > Pati > > > > > > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She > suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the > normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood > loss. > > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding > when she does get her period. > > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate > the period altogether. > > > > Janet mom to > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about puberty > > > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick > your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use > medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in > their daughters? > > > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low > functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard > enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if > anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > > > Thanks! > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Pati, I do appreciate how that is. I have a 15 year old [going on 7 or 11 depending on the day] who just began her periods in March. It has been difficult, and we are still working on a few issues, like the necessity of removing the pads from her underwear when she takes them off and puts them in the hamper. Allie struggled at first with wearing pads, " feeling wrong, " and trying to fit this new experience into her life, but 9 months in she is doing fairly well now. I just needed to give her time to get adjusted at her own rate. Pushing did not help. Some of the moms on our list have talked in the past about using fabric pads that are soft and just get washed and reused, sort of old school like women used to have before disposable pads were invented? I think some said they bought them on line, but some may have mentioned making there own after they saw what they were like. I think they said they liked the fabric pads because they were so much less irritating. I hope some of them are still listening in and will respond! As you are relatively new to your step-daughter's diagnosis of Asperger's I'd like to suggest that before using a long term chemical solution to your daughter's periods, be careful to do research. Many of the adult women who are on the spectrum have talked here over the years about the terrible reactions they have to hormone treatments [medical and behavioral]. A significant population seems to be hyper-sensitive to b/c pills, implants, etc. Before you try hormones on her, please research and be prepared for what can happen. Sandi [Houston] In a message dated 11/22/2010 9:43:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, bluemaize70@... writes: Hi, My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts the pieces of the puzzle together. I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues involved there. I just want to help her. Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same issue and can give better insight. Pati > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood loss. > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding when she does get her period. > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate the period altogether. > > Janet mom to > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about puberty > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in their daughters? > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > Thanks! > Theresa > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 My book * " Girls Growing Up on the Autism Spectrum " * has a whole chapter on menstruation and wearing maxi pads / tampons. You can find it on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Girls-Growing-Autism-Spectrum-Professionals/dp/1843108550/\ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1290553218 & sr=8-1 We specialize in issues facing girls and women with ASDs at my clinic. All the best! Dr. Nichols > > > Hi, > > My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. > Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts > the pieces of the puzzle together. > > I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having > with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she > has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her > and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with > the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs > to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I > wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are > now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear > pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled > panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. > > I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated > talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm > wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a > period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. > > I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues > involved there. I just want to help her. > > Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same > issue and can give better insight. > > Pati > > > > > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She > suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the > normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood > loss. > > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding > when she does get her period. > > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate > the period altogether. > > > > Janet mom to > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about puberty > > > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick > your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use > medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in > their daughters? > > > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low > functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard > enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if > anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > > > Thanks! > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I can't remember the name of the company, but my friend used to buy pads online at a nature friendly site that made washable cloth pads. She hated wasting plastic and so she used cloth diapers for her children and cloth nursing pads and cloth pads while on her period. She swore by them, even though I never gave them a try and she said they saved her a lot of money and that she didn't get irritated from the cloth pads, like she did from the disposable ones. As far as tampons, I can't use them either. I go into shock, when I use them and they make me have seizures and I don't normally have seizures. I don't reccomend them for our girls with autism, as they already have so many sensory issues and allergies and sensativities. If they want to try, that is fine... but I would not push them to wear them. I did not even know what was happening to me, until I finally read the package and saw that one of the warnings was what I was experiencing. Plus they were so painful that the whole day I was wearing them, any of the times I've tried again, I can barely sit, stand, move. I do have so many things that irritate my skin and I had to try about 12-13 different brands and styles of pads, before I found 2 that I could wear and not break out with a rash or acne down there etc. I probably should try those cloth pads, but I am pregnant right now, so that won't be for a while. Anyhow, the two that work for me are Kotex, ultra thin pads with no wings and non scented... or Always ultra thin pads with or without wings on those and again MOST IMPORTANT non scented. If I get the scented kind or scented anything, including detergent, perfume, shampoo, deoderant etc. I can't function. My brain goes foggy, I can't focus, I get snappy and irritable, I can't eat, I itch everywhere, and I just can't be myself. I reccomend all parents of children with autism, to consider eliminating dyes and perfumes and seeing what a difference it could make in as little as a week. Hope this helps. Sorry I hardly ever post anymore, but I still usually read, just am sooooooooo busy. I am writing more books for our girls with full illustrations, including a book on Periods, and I took on two foster girls who are 8 and 9 yrs and both have Fedal Alcohol Syndrome, and have my 3 with Autism and am pregnant (which is a big surprize) My youngest will be 6 when this one is born. We have been trying for about 3 years and then gave up and haven't done anything to protect against, but didn't think it would happen, and so we are very happy about it. Our youngest our only boy is doing so well with diet, fish oil, ovoiding dyes and perfumes and intense homeschooling, that he has lost his diagnosis and the state refuses him services. He is only in Kindergarten, but I have been schooling him since he was born and he just tested out at a 3rd grade level. So, we are very excited. Our 7yr old with autism is doing very well and is more showing up as having OCD than Autism now, but our oldest age 9 is starting to go through puberty and she is really struggling. She also has a diagnosis of MR and was doing VERY well and is reading and had stopped her handflapping and was doing great, but lately she is really struggling and I think it is all the hormones happening to her body, plus her seizures have started up again. But there is my update and hope to have my book done soon and then I can share it with you guys. If anyone still needs a potty book, I am still selling those and have dropped the price to get rid of the first printing, the second printing is going to be paperback instead of board book, but the price is now $7 including shipping if anyone is interested. No More Diaper for Girls or for Boys Also the DVD is the same price $7 including shipping. Hope this helps. I gotta go! Esther Author of No More Diaper for Girls No MOre Diaper for Boys www.esthersmithbooks.com Amazon.com, Target.com, & Noble.com, and many more Subject: Re: Question about puberty To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 5:43 PM  Hi, My step-daughter was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in Aug 10. Since then our world has been turned upside down, but it now finally puts the pieces of the puzzle together. I haven't seen anything posted to the one of the many issues we are having with her. She is 15 years old and started her period last Aug 09. Since she has started we can't get her to use pads or tampons. They feel weird on her and she would rather bleed in her panties or herself. We have discussed with the therapist, but all they have really done is get her to admit she needs to wear something to prevent an accident from showing through her clothes. I wasn't happy with that decision, because we have talked/discussed and we are now pulling out our hair in trying to find something or get her to wear pads. In the past year she has lied about wearing pads, hiding the soiled panties and even discarding them in trash cans at school. I don't know what more to do. I noticed that one of the entries stated talking to a doctor about stopping her period for a given time. I'm wondering how that has worked and does it seem to help? Even if she has a period she has no concern for her overall hygiene. I'm really at wits end. We can't discuss with mom, we have other issues involved there. I just want to help her. Thanks for listening and hopefully someone has had to deal with the same issue and can give better insight. Pati > > My 11 year old daughter had a difficult time with her period. She suffered from excessive bleeding making her period last longer than the normal 7 days and her doctor was extremely concerned about the severe blood loss. > She is now on a 3 month birth control pill. Which has helped the bleeding when she does get her period. > Another option her doctor gave us were the 3 month shots that eliminate the period altogether. > > Janet mom to > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about puberty > > Hi all, I haven't posted in years so forgive me just popping in to pick your brains but I have a question about puberty for you all. Does anyone use medication (i.e. birth control perhaps) to stay off menstrual cycles in their daughters? > > I'm really getting the run around from Dr's but Sonja is pretty low functioning when it comes to self care and body awareness and I have a hard enough time getting her to wear underpants much less something inside them. > > I'm afraid I'm going to have a huge mess on my hands any day now. > > Any incite would be great (good or bad) I just want to know what if anything you guys have found from past experiences. > > Thanks! > Theresa > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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