Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?

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I am no molecular biologist, but I would suspect that and disease causing organism would be suspended in the milk fluid, along with milk fat and solids.BillTo: RawDairy Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:54 AMSubject: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?

I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than

cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't

penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.

That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any

truth in it. Thanks.

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"When the remedy you have offered

only increases the disease,

then leave him who will not be cured,

and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth."

~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi

T. Bernard

Spellcast Farm

www.spellcastfarm.com

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I might agree with you. . I'm NOT a molecular scientist either. I would think the chance for disease is more based on SANITATION, ANIMAL HEALTH, PROCESS - - than cow vs. goat.

That being said - I keep and milk goats, and I do like the fact that there is a smaller tail that usually does NOT flip/wag when milking. A smaller animal, maybe reduces the area of manure, hair shedding. . . And since milking goats for over 18yrs have never had a goat pee or poop on the milkstand, something I think is a bit of a random activity with cows. So there may be just some basic healthier perspectives there.

Fat molecules in goat milk are smaller than cow but the only advantage there that I'm aware of is in digestability. Cow or goat - - 'RAW' is the nutritional advantage.

Sharron Dougan

Dougan Farm

Strasburg, CO

Subject: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?To: RawDairy Date: Saturday, October 15, 2011, 3:54 AM

I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks.

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"When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. BernardSpellcast Farmwww.spellcastfarm.com

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There is no way that the size of the molecule is an advantage over goat or cow.

Prevention is the key with any animal. Keeping the milk clean from start to jug

is the key. If it was the case you wouldn't have a problem with CAE being

transferd from raw goat milk to kid? Or any other pathogen

Albert

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sharron dougan wrote:

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>I might agree with you. . I'm NOT a molecular scientist either. I would think

the chance for disease is more based on SANITATION, ANIMAL HEALTH, PROCESS  -

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>That being said - I keep and milk goats, and I do like the fact that there is a

smaller tail that usually does NOT flip/wag when milking. A smaller animal,

maybe reduces the area of manure, hair shedding. . . And since milking goats for

over 18yrs have never had a goat pee or poop on the milkstand, something I think

is a bit of a random activity with cows. So there may be just some basic

healthier perspectives there.

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>Fat molecules in goat milk are smaller than cow but the only advantage there

that I'm aware of is in digestability. Cow or goat - -  'RAW' is the

nutritional advantage.

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>Sharron Dougan

>Dougan Farm

>Strasburg, CO

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>I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk

because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's

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>That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in

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>then leave him who will not be cured,

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Germs get into milk through fecal contamination... which has nothing to do with

the size of milk protien or fat molecules!

And goats are easier to keep clean, thats for sure.

@Sharron Dougan- as fars cows peeing/pooping during the milking process...yes

they are prone to that, but my experience is that it has to do with their

anxiety level more than anything. Keeping a routine and making sure they never

get hurt in the milking parlor goes a long way toward eliminating pooping/peeing

during milking!

Anything that scares them will make them pee and poop.

And they remember scary/painful things for a long time.

As my husband puts it... " Cows are such...WOMEN! "

Handle with TLC.

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> I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than

> cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate

> them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.

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> That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth

> in it. Thanks.

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> T. Bernard

> Spellcast Farm

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Germs get into milk through fecal contamination... which

has nothing to do with the size of milk protien or fat

molecules!

And goats are easier to keep clean, thats for sure.

Yes and no, mine will sometimes poop on the milk stand, especially

when they first freshen. I don't feed them grain when they are dry

and I think their stomachs can't handle the grain early on in

freshening or maybe it has something to do with just having

freshened. As they get later into their lactation, they rarely poop

on the stand. I do get hair in my milk, all the time. That said

though, goat pills are much easier to deal with than cow plop.

I keep my cow very clean. I wash her udder and then wash her back

legs and tail. If she is ever really dirty, I hose her off before

she comes into the milk parlor. During fly months I tie her tail to

her back leg when I'm milking to keep the tail out of the way. I've

toyed with putting a sock on her tail and I may try that. That tail

hurts when it hits you in the face or eyes!

@Sharron Dougan- as fars cows peeing/pooping during the

milking process...yes they are prone to that, but my

experience is that it has to do with their anxiety level

more than anything. Keeping a routine and making sure they

never get hurt in the milking parlor goes a long way

toward eliminating pooping/peeing during milking!

Routine is very important. My cow knows when she's going to be

milked and eliminates prior to coming in. She hasn't pooped in the

milk parlor for a long, long time. That's a good thing because I

milk her rear quarters from behind. Her teats are so short I can't

really milk her rear quarters from the side. As I'm sitting there

milking I often look up at that portion of her anatomy and say,

"please don't poop or pee on me Gwen!"

Anything that scares them will make them pee and poop.

And they remember scary/painful things for a long time.

As my husband puts it... "Cows are such...WOMEN!"

Handle with TLC.

Oh they do remember, don't they??? It's pretty easy to handle a

reluctant goat but a cow is a different story. I just tether my cow

when I milk her, I don't have a stanchion, so I handle her with kid

gloves so we don't have a blow up in the milk parlor. She's a

Jersey so pretty laid back, but she can do a lot of damage if she

wants to.

I love my cow and if it were up to me, I'd just have cows, not

goats.

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"Farming looks mighty easy when

your plow is a pencil and

you're a thousand miles from the corn field."

~~~~~~~~~~~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

T. Bernard

Spellcast Farm

www.spellcastfarm.com

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I wonder if her point is about coming out of Udder already Contaminated with TB or the like.... a Problem that is Big Part of the anti Raw based on how Milk (and the Cows) was Handled in the Early 20th century esp in big cities...BTW Im Currently Researching Railroad Milk Transportation and Processing for a Model Railroad Project of Such.....Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?To: "RawDairy " <RawDairy >Date: Saturday, October 15, 2011, 8:08 AM

I am no molecular biologist, but I would suspect that and disease causing organism would be suspended in the milk fluid, along with milk fat and solids.BillTo: RawDairy Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:54 AMSubject: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?

I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than

cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't

penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.

That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any

truth in it. Thanks.

--

"When the remedy you have offered

only increases the disease,

then leave him who will not be cured,

and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth."

~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi

T. Bernard

Spellcast Farm

www.spellcastfarm.com

[Guest guest]

That doesn't ring true considering goats milk consistently has higher bacterial counts than cows milk when tested in a dairy environment. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca On 15-Oct-11, at 2:54 AM-15-Oct-11, T. Bernard wrote: I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from. That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks. -- "When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. Bernard Spellcast Farm www.spellcastfarm.com

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Kurtis

What bacteria atr you speaking of? Somatic cells, Plate counts or Coliform?

Thanks

W

Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?

That doesn't ring true considering goats milk consistently has higher bacterial counts than cows milk when tested in a dairy environment.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

On 15-Oct-11, at 2:54 AM-15-Oct-11, T. Bernard wrote:

I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks.

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"When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. BernardSpellcast Farmwww.spellcastfarm.com

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somatic cells are not bacteria they are white blood cells.

matt

Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?

That doesn't ring true considering goats milk consistently has higher bacterial counts than cows milk when tested in a dairy environment.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

On 15-Oct-11, at 2:54 AM-15-Oct-11, T. Bernard wrote:

I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks.

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"When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. BernardSpellcast Farmwww.spellcastfarm.com

[Guest guest]

Goat milk has NOT had higher bacterial counts in a dairy situations.  I would challenge anyone to find a scientific studies proving otherwise (that systematically throughout dairies in general  that goats milk produces more bacterial counts...)  Goat milk is SO antibacterial that NEW tests were needed/ created  to test it.. to show weather antibiotics had been used on the animals.. because substances in goat milk .. mainly the medium chain fatty acids (much much higher in goat milk and sheep milk than in cows milk) is SO  antibacterial and anti fungal that it actually fooled the standard cow dairy tests.  These fatty acids are so powerful that they are used as “food grade†sanitizers for cafeteria’s and such.  Granted anyone in dairy will tell you the bacterial counts in any animal is greatly influenced by milk handing procedures, as well as animal maintenance and milking cleanliness… with all things equal the goat milk would be (statistically) better on bacterial counts because of the large amounts of medium chain fatty acids present. Just my opinion From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of shaulSent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:27 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?  somatic cells are not bacteria they are white blood cells. matt Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? That doesn't ring true considering goats milk consistently has higher bacterial counts than cows milk when tested in a dairy environment. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎ " When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. " Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca On 15-Oct-11, at 2:54 AM-15-Oct-11, T. Bernard wrote: I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks.-- " When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth. " ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. BernardSpellcast Farmwww.spellcastfarm.com

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Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information and I suggest you correct them. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca On 17-Oct-11, at 6:06 AM-17-Oct-11, Crystal Palmer-Bull wrote: Goat milk has NOT had higher bacterial counts in a dairy situations. I would challenge anyone to find a scientific studies proving otherwise (that systematically throughout dairies in general that goats milk produces more bacterial counts...) Goat milk is SO antibacterial that NEW tests were needed/ created to test it.. to show weather antibiotics had been used on the animals.. because substances in goat milk .. mainly the medium chain fatty acids (much much higher in goat milk and sheep milk than in cows milk) is SO antibacterial and anti fungal that it actually fooled the standard cow dairy tests. These fatty acids are so powerful that they are used as “food grade†sanitizers for cafeteria’s and such. Granted anyone in dairy will tell you the bacterial counts in any animal is greatly influenced by milk handing procedures, as well as animal maintenance and milking cleanliness… with all things equal the goat milk would be (statistically) better on bacterial counts because of the large amounts of medium chain fatty acids present. Just my opinion From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of shaulSent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:27 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow?  somatic cells are not bacteria they are white blood cells. matt Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? That doesn't ring true considering goats milk consistently has higher bacterial counts than cows milk when tested in a dairy environment. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca On 15-Oct-11, at 2:54 AM-15-Oct-11, T. Bernard wrote: I was told yesterday that Goat milk is probably safer to drink than cow's milk because the molecules are smaller and germs can't penetrate them unlike cow's milk that one can get diseases from.That doesn't sound right to me and was wondering if there was any truth in it. Thanks.-- "When the remedy you have offered only increases the disease, then leave him who will not be cured, and tell your story to someone who seeks the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi T. BernardSpellcast Farmwww.spellcastfarm.com

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You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with

pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.

aliza

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> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals.

> Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher

> counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is

> incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information

> and I suggest you correct them.

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Someone else mentioned earlier about aromatic e cell counts. Our SCC is tested every other day with milk pick up. A high SCC just means that someone in the herd is fighting an infection whether it be mastitis or has a cut on their leg or a cold or whatever. Oh, and, in our herd at least, a newly freshened cow put into the milking herd will usually raise the cell count too. Info from our experience.ro From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of songbird97520Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:02 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.aliza>> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information > and I suggest you correct them.>

[Guest guest]

No I'm not. Please start reading the dairy journals where the wording often says BACTERIA. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder. aliza > > Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information > and I suggest you correct them. >

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Can you reference an article and in which journal?  I get a couple of different dairy periodicals and have never seen this. Jessi From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Kurtis StavenSent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:04 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? No I'm not. Please start reading the dairy journals where the wording often says BACTERIA. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎ " When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. " Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.aliza>> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information > and I suggest you correct them.>

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That is not totally true. SCC is inheritable. Goats naturally have a higher scc

count then cows, but it doesn't alway mean an infection. In all the major bull

studs low scc is a trait you can breed for.

Albert

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Rochelle Hofmeyer wrote:

>Someone else mentioned earlier about aromatic e cell counts. Our SCC is

>tested every other day with milk pick up. A high SCC just means that someone

>in the herd is fighting an infection whether it be mastitis or has a cut on

>their leg or a cold or whatever. Oh, and, in our herd at least, a newly

>freshened cow put into the milking herd will usually raise the cell count

>too. Info from our experience.

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>Of songbird97520

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>To: RawDairy

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>You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with

>pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.

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>> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals.

>> Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher

>> counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is

>> incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information

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An SCC too low can also be a sign of a suppressed immune system. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca That is not totally true. SCC is inheritable. Goats naturally have a higher scc count then cows, but it doesn't alway mean an infection. In all the major bull studs low scc is a trait you can breed for. Albert Sent from my LG phone Rochelle Hofmeyer wrote: >Someone else mentioned earlier about aromatic e cell counts. Our SCC is >tested every other day with milk pick up. A high SCC just means that someone >in the herd is fighting an infection whether it be mastitis or has a cut on >their leg or a cold or whatever. Oh, and, in our herd at least, a newly >freshened cow put into the milking herd will usually raise the cell count >too. Info from our experience. > >ro > > > >From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf >Of songbird97520 >Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:02 AM >To: RawDairy >Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? > > > > > >You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with >pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder. > >aliza > > >> >> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. >> Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher >> counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is >> incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information >> and I suggest you correct them. >> > > >

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Industry journals?? I hate to sound rude.. but are you kidding me?? This is where you get your information? Would you get your information about a prescription from the industry pamphlet? Of course not. Industry Jourbnals??? I personally would never believe a word they say.. esp big dairy.. it’s like big pharma.. big money corrupts.. more and more folks are going raw, more and more folks are going goat..they will publish anything to squash the competition. . There is big backlash these days into mainstream dairy due to all the issues with hormones in big cow dairies s and the use of GMO feeds.. they will do anything to hold market share. Trade journals are not obligated to tell the truth, are not held to journalistic ethical obligations…and are essentially big advertisements and have no independent review process.. hence the reason I asked for scientific studies… they are peer reviewed. Anyone in the milk testing business will tell you just what I said about goat milk being so antibacterial.. that that had to invent a new test for it. That’s a fact…research it. Just Google medium chain fatty acids.. they are so prevalent in goat milk, 3 are actually named for the Latin root word for goat. caproic acid (C6) Two other acids are named after goats: caprylic (C8) and capric (C10). Along with hexanoic acid these total 15% in goat milk fat. , caprylic acid (C8), capric acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprylic_acid Caprylic acid is also used in the treatment of some bacterial infections. Due to its relatively short chain length it has no difficulty in penetrating fatty cell wall membranes, hence its effectiveness in combating certain lipid-coated bacteria, such as Staphylococcus aureus and various species of Streptococcus.[4]Caprylic acid is an antimicrobial pesticide used as a food contact surface sanitizer in commercial food handling establishments on dairy equipment, food processing equipment, breweries, wineries, and beverage processing plants. It is also used as disinfectant in health care facilities, schools/colleges, animal care/veterinary facilities, industrial facilities, office buildings, recreational facilities, retail and wholesale establishments, livestock premises, restaurants, and hotels/motels. In addition, caprylic acid is used as an algaecide, bactericide, and fungicide in nurseries, greenhouses, garden centers, and interiorscapes on ornamentals. Products containing caprylic acid are formulated as soluble concentrate/liquids and ready-to-use liquids.[5] From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of songbird97520Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:02 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.aliza>> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information > and I suggest you correct them.>

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca On 19-Oct-11, at 8:00 PM-19-Oct-11, Crystal Palmer-Bull wrote: Industry journals?? I hate to sound rude.. but are you kidding me?? This is where you get your information? Would you get your information about a prescription from the industry pamphlet? Of course not. Industry Jourbnals??? I personally would never believe a word they say.. esp big dairy.. it’s like big pharma.. big money corrupts.. more and more folks are going raw, more and more folks are going goat..they will publish anything to squash the competition. . There is big backlash these days into mainstream dairy due to all the issues with hormones in big cow dairies s and the use of GMO feeds.. they will do anything to hold market share. Trade journals are not obligated to tell the truth, are not held to journalistic ethical obligations…and are essentially big advertisements and have no independent review process.. hence the reason I asked for scientific studies… they are peer reviewed. Anyone in the milk testing business will tell you just what I said about goat milk being so antibacterial.. that that had to invent a new test for it. That’s a fact…research it. Just Google medium chain fatty acids.. they are so prevalent in goat milk, 3 are actually named for the Latin root word for goat. caproic acid (C6) Two other acids are named after goats: caprylic (C8) and capric (C10). Along with hexanoic acid these total 15% in goat milk fat. , caprylic acid (C8), capric acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprylic_acid Caprylic acid is also used in the treatment of some bacterial infections. Due to its relatively short chain length it has no difficulty in penetrating fatty cell wall membranes, hence its effectiveness in combating certain lipid-coated bacteria, such as Staphylococcus aureus and various species of Streptococcus.[4]Caprylic acid is an antimicrobial pesticide used as a food contact surface sanitizer in commercial food handling establishments on dairy equipment, food processing equipment, breweries, wineries, and beverage processing plants. It is also used as disinfectant in health care facilities, schools/colleges, animal care/veterinary facilities, industrial facilities, office buildings, recreational facilities, retail and wholesale establishments, livestock premises, restaurants, and hotels/motels. In addition, caprylic acid is used as an algaecide, bactericide, and fungicide in nurseries, greenhouses, garden centers, and interiorscapes on ornamentals. Products containing caprylic acid are formulated as soluble concentrate/liquids and ready-to-use liquids.[5] From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of songbird97520Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:02 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Raw Goat Milk Safer than Cow? You are talking about somatic cell counts which has nothing to do with pathogens...just a difference between the cow udder and the goat udder.aliza>> Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals. > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information > and I suggest you correct them.>

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The fatty acid composition of milk varies widely depending on the diet, breed,

and season. That is why many of us have switched to grass-based dairy- or

grass-based beef feed systems, it affects the composition and thus the health

quality of the milk.

The argument of goat vs cow is wasted energy. Both have pros and cons. In my

opinion, there are goat people and there are cow people. I have milked both cows

and goats and I prefer cows. They are personable, quiet, gentle, and give 5x

more milk than my goats did. They aren't herd bound and they don't ruin all my

fences or my roses. I love my jerseys- and I have friends who live for their

goats - It's like dog and cat people. You arent going to convince either one

that their preferred pet is inferior to the other.

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> > Don't need a scientific study. Just need to read the dairy journals.

> > Common reference point that goat dairies consistently run higher

> > counts than cow dairies. This is my point of reference. So if this is

> > incorrect then the dairy journals are passing incorrect information

> > and I suggest you correct them.

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