Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 from what little I know about the public schools, I know that Spring Branch and Katy have Autism classes that are loosely based on ABA. I don't believe any of the teachers/staffs are really ABA therapists/consultants though. Question for parents in Houton area school districts Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. Please let me know... M. Guppy My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts will " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP and YCAP program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa Question for parents in Houton area school districts Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. Please let me know... M. Guppy My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I get so frustrated because my district Humble ISD along with every other district says they are using ABA. So for new parents they often say " oh yeah my child gets ABA at school. " I'm trying to expalin that there is a difference between schools going to a workshop and using some ABA techniques as opposed to have a BCBA designing and supervising programs. The programs in the schools I'm finding are not intensive, they aren't fading prompts, the kids are prompt dependent and so many more issues. > > Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. > > Please let me know... > > > M. Guppy > My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... > Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hmmm.okay, maybe this question really comes down to the definition of ABA. Yes, I think a lot of school districts are starting to use some practices from the field of ABA. BUT are public school programs adhering to the same standards that are employed in peer-reviewed comparative studies of different types of educational programs for students with autism (such as the et al study)? I'm in a district which has dedicated autism classrooms, but the quality of instruction across the autism classrooms varies from teacher to teacher, from what I have seen and heard. I think one of the biggest issues districts face is getting teachers and paras trained in ABA. It's a problem that's further compounded by the challenge districts face in retaining good teachers in autism classrooms. I've heard from both consultants and teachers that the reason turnover rates are so high is because teachers feel abused by parents. It's a tough job, for sure. I'm all for the idea of performance compensation bonuses for teachers who consistently use the principles of ABA. Another component that's generally missing, in my opinion, is enough support for teachers. I mean beyond just training teachers. It's really hard to teach, collect data, input data, analyze it, and then trial new interventions. If you look at how private programs do it, they have systems for getting all of that done - including the involvement of senior classroom trainers, BCABAs, and BCBAs who share in that workload. Even for the very best teachers, there are times when another set of eyes is needed to help analyze what is going on. In my opinion, an effective ABA-based classroom has the regular, frequent, and hands-on involvement of a behavior analyst. The other component that's missing in public schools is ongoing, hands-on training for teachers. It's one thing to attend a workshop, but it's another thing altogether to try to apply the principles of ABA to a child with severely challenging behaviors. School districts really need behavior analysts to be actively involved in supporting teachers by working side-by-side with them to teach them HOW to apply the principles of ABA on the fly. Just my opinion. Geraldine _____ From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Dr. Graham-Garza Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Question for parents in Houton area school districts Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts will " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP and YCAP program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa Question for parents in Houton area school districts Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. Please let me know... M. Guppy My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I am a BCBA and I have worked as the BCBA for a very large district and I agree with everything yall are saying. The problems I encountered were exactly what you said, and to make it worse, the ppcd director was not up to date with autism and did not understand ABA at all. She was actually wanting me to not say we used ABA bc she felt there were negative opinions on its use. They really just want a BCBA title on staff and want to get by legally. In a large district, one BCBA is not effective. In order to really train teachers, many more behavior analysts are needed. I felt like I was always advocating and never actually implementing. What it all comes down to is $$$. They budget money for so many other things but not for what is needed. Also, the people that have the most up to date training and knowledge are not people in positions of power to make decisions. When the thirty somethings now are the directors, maybe it will change. I think I just rambled a lot but I guess I needed to vent from the BCBA perspective. For the time being, I will stick to the private sector Regan Roth Fitzgerald, M.Ed., BCBA Board Certified Behavior Analyst & Autism Specialist B.E.S.T. www.bestaba.com reganfitzgerald@... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: Question for parents in Houton area school districts Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts will " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP and YCAP program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa Question for parents in Houton area school districts Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. Please let me know... M. Guppy My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Geraldine all good points. I am coming from a public teaching background. I think our district (Humble ISD) has a great program. However it's not ABA. I do think the district as a whole has risen to the challenge of providing for students with autism. You brought up a good point that teachers have such a hard job because of the parent aspect. If teachers work all day to establish something and then parents aren't able to follow through round and round we go on the hamster wheel. I do get frustrated that many new parents believe their schools to be providing ABA because the school assures them this is the case. Well intentioned parents are being misled by well intentioned professionals of the district. I believe change will occur when we the PARENTS who understand the issues are able to go back into the system to make necessary changes. I find that often people who make decisions in the district regarding training etc haven't done extensive research as we desperate families do. However well trained the teachers may be, this will not be intensive with the ratios we still see in the classroom. Some difficult behaviors demand several minutes of work and this takes away from the other students. I think that my son's previous public experience was very good. But not good enough. So we have gone the private route and will work to improve the system when we can. > > Hmmm.okay, maybe this question really comes down to the definition of ABA. > Yes, I think a lot of school districts are starting to use some practices > from the field of ABA. BUT are public school programs adhering to the same > standards that are employed in peer-reviewed comparative studies of > different types of educational programs for students with autism (such as > the et al study)? > > > > I'm in a district which has dedicated autism classrooms, but the quality of > instruction across the autism classrooms varies from teacher to teacher, > from what I have seen and heard. I think one of the biggest issues > districts face is getting teachers and paras trained in ABA. It's a problem > that's further compounded by the challenge districts face in retaining good > teachers in autism classrooms. I've heard from both consultants and > teachers that the reason turnover rates are so high is because teachers feel > abused by parents. It's a tough job, for sure. I'm all for the idea of > performance compensation bonuses for teachers who consistently use the > principles of ABA. > > > > Another component that's generally missing, in my opinion, is enough support > for teachers. I mean beyond just training teachers. It's really hard to > teach, collect data, input data, analyze it, and then trial new > interventions. If you look at how private programs do it, they have systems > for getting all of that done - including the involvement of senior classroom > trainers, BCABAs, and BCBAs who share in that workload. Even for the very > best teachers, there are times when another set of eyes is needed to help > analyze what is going on. In my opinion, an effective ABA-based classroom > has the regular, frequent, and hands-on involvement of a behavior analyst. > > > > The other component that's missing in public schools is ongoing, hands-on > training for teachers. It's one thing to attend a workshop, but it's > another thing altogether to try to apply the principles of ABA to a child > with severely challenging behaviors. School districts really need behavior > analysts to be actively involved in supporting teachers by working > side-by-side with them to teach them HOW to apply the principles of ABA on > the fly. > > > > Just my opinion. > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy > [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Dr. > Graham-Garza > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM > To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy > Subject: Re: Question for parents in Houton area > school districts > > > > Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts will > " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP and YCAP > program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa > Question for parents in Houton area school > districts > > Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of > > a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program > specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied > Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodology. > > Please let me know... > > M. Guppy > My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about > learning to dance in the rain.... > Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to > compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should > live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. > Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right > > to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Amen... But as a parent that has seen " The Promised Land " of appropriate educational programming and progress in the private sector, and not having the funds to continue that, makes one wonder: " was it better to have seen and visited the promised land and then have to leave " -- or -- " to have never seen it at all so you don't know what you're missing! " Sincerely, M. Guppy My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " Subject: Re: Question for parents in Houton area school districts To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:00 PM Geraldine all good points. I am coming from a public teaching background. I think our district (Humble ISD) has a great program. However it's not ABA. I do think the district as a whole has risen to the challenge of providing for students with autism. You brought up a good point that teachers have such a hard job because of the parent aspect. If teachers work all day to establish something and then parents aren't able to follow through round and round we go on the hamster wheel. I do get frustrated that many new parents believe their schools to be providing ABA because the school assures them this is the case. Well intentioned parents are being misled by well intentioned professionals of the district. I believe change will occur when we the PARENTS who understand the issues are able to go back into the system to make necessary changes. I find that often people who make decisions in the district regarding training etc haven't done extensive research as we desperate families do. However well trained the teachers may be, this will not be intensive with the ratios we still see in the classroom. Some difficult behaviors demand several minutes of work and this takes away from the other students. I think that my son's previous public experience was very good. But not good enough. So we have gone the private route and will work to improve the system when we can. > > Hmmm.okay, maybe this question really comes down to the definition of ABA. > Yes, I think a lot of school districts are starting to use some practices > from the field of ABA. BUT are public school programs adhering to the same > standards that are employed in peer-reviewed comparative studies of > different types of educational programs for students with autism (such as > the et al study)? > > > > I'm in a district which has dedicated autism classrooms, but the quality of > instruction across the autism classrooms varies from teacher to teacher, > from what I have seen and heard. I think one of the biggest issues > districts face is getting teachers and paras trained in ABA. It's a problem > that's further compounded by the challenge districts face in retaining good > teachers in autism classrooms. I've heard from both consultants and > teachers that the reason turnover rates are so high is because teachers feel > abused by parents. It's a tough job, for sure. I'm all for the idea of > performance compensation bonuses for teachers who consistently use the > principles of ABA. > > > > Another component that's generally missing, in my opinion, is enough support > for teachers. I mean beyond just training teachers. It's really hard to > teach, collect data, input data, analyze it, and then trial new > interventions. If you look at how private programs do it, they have systems > for getting all of that done - including the involvement of senior classroom > trainers, BCABAs, and BCBAs who share in that workload. Even for the very > best teachers, there are times when another set of eyes is needed to help > analyze what is going on. In my opinion, an effective ABA-based classroom > has the regular, frequent, and hands-on involvement of a behavior analyst. > > > > The other component that's missing in public schools is ongoing, hands-on > training for teachers. It's one thing to attend a workshop, but it's > another thing altogether to try to apply the principles of ABA to a child > with severely challenging behaviors. School districts really need behavior > analysts to be actively involved in supporting teachers by working > side-by-side with them to teach them HOW to apply the principles of ABA on > the fly. > > > > Just my opinion. > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dr. > Graham-Garza > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM > To: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton area > school districts > > > > Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts will > " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP and YCAP > program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa > [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton area school > districts > > Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- know of > > a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or program > specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - Applied > Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodol ogy. > > Please let me know... > > M. Guppy > My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about > learning to dance in the rain.... > Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvo cacy.org > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to > compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should > live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. > Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right > > to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I just said today to someone " is it right to share information that parents can't access anyway? " Giving hope when it's darn near impossible to get what we need? Maybe it's better to not know that there are better options. If we can't pay......who cares that it exists.....it's just more agony for us fighting for what our kids desearve. > > > > Hmmm.okay, maybe this question really comes down to the definition > of ABA. > > Yes, I think a lot of school districts are starting to use some > practices > > from the field of ABA. BUT are public school programs adhering to > the same > > standards that are employed in peer-reviewed comparative studies of > > different types of educational programs for students with autism > (such as > > the et al study)? > > > > > > > > I'm in a district which has dedicated autism classrooms, but the > quality of > > instruction across the autism classrooms varies from teacher to > teacher, > > from what I have seen and heard. I think one of the biggest issues > > districts face is getting teachers and paras trained in ABA. It's > a problem > > that's further compounded by the challenge districts face in > retaining good > > teachers in autism classrooms. I've heard from both consultants and > > teachers that the reason turnover rates are so high is because > teachers feel > > abused by parents. It's a tough job, for sure. I'm all for the > idea of > > performance compensation bonuses for teachers who consistently use > the > > principles of ABA. > > > > > > > > Another component that's generally missing, in my opinion, is > enough support > > for teachers. I mean beyond just training teachers. It's really > hard to > > teach, collect data, input data, analyze it, and then trial new > > interventions. If you look at how private programs do it, they > have systems > > for getting all of that done - including the involvement of senior > classroom > > trainers, BCABAs, and BCBAs who share in that workload. Even for > the very > > best teachers, there are times when another set of eyes is needed > to help > > analyze what is going on. In my opinion, an effective ABA-based > classroom > > has the regular, frequent, and hands-on involvement of a behavior > analyst. > > > > > > > > The other component that's missing in public schools is ongoing, > hands-on > > training for teachers. It's one thing to attend a workshop, but > it's > > another thing altogether to try to apply the principles of ABA to a > child > > with severely challenging behaviors. School districts really need > behavior > > analysts to be actively involved in supporting teachers by working > > side-by-side with them to teach them HOW to apply the principles of > ABA on > > the fly. > > > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dr. > > Graham-Garza > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM > > To: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton > area > > school districts > > > > > > > > Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts > will > > " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP > and YCAP > > program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa > > [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton > area school > > districts > > > > Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area - -- > know of > > > > a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or > program > > specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - > Applied > > Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodol ogy. > > > > Please let me know... > > > > M. Guppy > > My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's > about > > learning to dance in the rain.... > > Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvo cacy.org > > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to > > compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one > should > > live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive > education. > > Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get > the right > > > > to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 my son is in humble dist on the high school level and albeit they do have " autism " classrooms, but the actual goings on have a far way to go. i think the teachers are doing what they think they can do with what the school will train, but imho it's not more than " babysitting " . my son has not learned anything other than what he already knew when he got there. a couple of years ago he had teachers that were truly interested in what they could pull out of the children and we could see a difference. needless to say, those teachers were let go and now--oh well, you can imagine the rest. my son has actually lost skills b/c everytime i do a check up, he's doing the same things over and over or didlly dadllying (did i say that right?)until the schools step up and actually want to help our children we have a fight on our hands. everything we want for the child, they go against all they can to not help you. it's very sad. > > > > Hmmm.okay, maybe this question really comes down to the definition > of ABA. > > Yes, I think a lot of school districts are starting to use some > practices > > from the field of ABA. BUT are public school programs adhering to > the same > > standards that are employed in peer-reviewed comparative studies of > > different types of educational programs for students with autism > (such as > > the et al study)? > > > > > > > > I'm in a district which has dedicated autism classrooms, but the > quality of > > instruction across the autism classrooms varies from teacher to > teacher, > > from what I have seen and heard. I think one of the biggest issues > > districts face is getting teachers and paras trained in ABA. It's > a problem > > that's further compounded by the challenge districts face in > retaining good > > teachers in autism classrooms. I've heard from both consultants and > > teachers that the reason turnover rates are so high is because > teachers feel > > abused by parents. It's a tough job, for sure. I'm all for the > idea of > > performance compensation bonuses for teachers who consistently use > the > > principles of ABA. > > > > > > > > Another component that's generally missing, in my opinion, is > enough support > > for teachers. I mean beyond just training teachers. It's really > hard to > > teach, collect data, input data, analyze it, and then trial new > > interventions. If you look at how private programs do it, they > have systems > > for getting all of that done - including the involvement of senior > classroom > > trainers, BCABAs, and BCBAs who share in that workload. Even for > the very > > best teachers, there are times when another set of eyes is needed > to help > > analyze what is going on. In my opinion, an effective ABA-based > classroom > > has the regular, frequent, and hands-on involvement of a behavior > analyst. > > > > > > > > The other component that's missing in public schools is ongoing, > hands-on > > training for teachers. It's one thing to attend a workshop, but > it's > > another thing altogether to try to apply the principles of ABA to a > child > > with severely challenging behaviors. School districts really need > behavior > > analysts to be actively involved in supporting teachers by working > > side-by-side with them to teach them HOW to apply the principles of > ABA on > > the fly. > > > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dr. > > Graham-Garza > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM > > To: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: Re: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton > area > > school districts > > > > > > > > Now that ABA wording is in the autism supplement, all the districts > will > > " say " they are using ABA principles - even before Katy had an ECAP > and YCAP > > program but no formal ABA training. I believe it is eclectic - lisa > > [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question for parents in Houton > area school > > districts > > > > Do any of you parents in any school district in the Houston area --- > know of > > > > a campus or district that has an " Autism ABA " program. A campus or > program > > specifically for those with autism, using the principles of ABA - > Applied > > Behavior Analysis - as the curriculum/methodol ogy. > > > > Please let me know... > > > > M. Guppy > > My autism journey isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's > about > > learning to dance in the rain.... > > Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvo cacy.org > > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to > > compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one > should > > live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive > education. > > Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get > the right > > > > to make their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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