Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 In a message dated 11/2/03 6:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, bwp@... writes: > maybe your Ca levels are low > from excess D? According to my understanding of the mechanism, this doesn't make sense. Excess D can leach blood level from the bones in order to *increase* the blood level of Ca. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 >>> Suze, i thought you were in excellent health? ---->not to my knowledge, but working my way there. >>>> 2 tsp of Premier CLO is 2300 IU. ---->it is also 25,000 IU of vitamin A, my recommended dose. >>>>maybe you really do need this much D, but maybe it is toxic? why take a risk without being sure? maybe your Ca levels are low from excess D? maybe you really need that much D, but don't need that much retinol? ----->i believe ron recommended it mainly for the retinol content (i'm hypothyroid so must rely on animal sources for my vitamin A), but of course he knows the vitamin D content as well. i only started this dosing a few days before i had my blood test (maybe a week tops - don't recall), so i don't think it could've affected anything in my blood profile so quickly. plus the vitamin D should *increase* my serum CA, not decrease it. i'll keep my eye out for vits A or D toxicity, but am not too worried about it. they are easily reversed by lowering the dose. >>> is this a new, short-term thing for you, or have you been doing this for a while and still have low Ca levels? ---->i just started it about a month ago. it may or may not be short term, that will be discussed in my next consultation with ron. we'll adjust things as we go. >>>>can you summarize the evidence/arguments you have for taking this much CLO? ----->i have no evidence/arguments to offer other than ron's two decades as an ND doing nutritional healing. he certainly does a lot of research, but i think he really relies on his *experience* quite a bit as well. >>>>obviously you're not the type of person to just take someone's word for it, even someone as reputable and admirable as Ron Schmid. ---->well, you'll have to revise your impression of me because for the time being i AM going on ron's experience (which is rather considerable, fwiw). i honestly haven't had much time to do research on the various aspects of my program with him yet, and even if i did, i'm not sure the answers would lie in research. i'm a great believer in " what works " and " what has worked repeatedly " even though it may not match up with a given body of research at any particular time. having said that, i do intend to research certain aspects of my protocol when i find the time. i have already done some reading on the toxicity of both vits A and D and i don't see anything to be too concerned about with my current dosing, especially with vitamin A, i think the toxicity of vitamin A seems to be way overhyped and mainly an issue of synthetic vitamin A. i'm less certain about vitamin D. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 In a message dated 11/2/03 11:14:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > having said that, i do intend to research certain aspects of my protocol > when i find the time. i have already done some reading on the toxicity of > both vits A and D and i don't see anything to be too concerned about with my > current dosing, especially with vitamin A, i think the toxicity of vitamin A > seems to be way overhyped and mainly an issue of synthetic vitamin A. i'm > less certain about vitamin D. I think the D is overblown to, personally. Especially considering one could *easily* get say, 4000 IU a day without any CLO at all. CLO is not unique in its high D content. Lard is supposedly loaded with D if the pigs are exposed to sunlight. Raw pastured butter is high in D, shellfish are high in D, etc, etc. In fact, lard is almost as high in D as CLO, yet if you fry with it you use vast amounts compared to CLO. Krispin Sullivan is relying solely on her anecdotal experience in her warnings, and controlled studies that Mercola has quoted indicate there is no risk of toxicity whatsoever with 20,000 IU, which is far beyond what anyone takes in CLO. That said, clearly if there is anecdotal evidence that SOME people can overdose on D with a large amount, than it is possible and is a valid concern, but it also clearly seems to be a concern for a small minority of people, and in that case, you want to watch the *food* you eat, not just your CLO. I'm not " certain " of this per se, but I lean heavily on the don't-worry-about-it side. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 > Krispin Sullivan is relying solely on her anecdotal experience in her > warnings, and controlled studies that Mercola has quoted indicate there is > no risk of > toxicity whatsoever with 20,000 IU, which is far beyond what anyone takes > in > CLO. What are the symptoms of D overdose? Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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