RE: Re: OT: ABA

February 16, 2008

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/VerbalBehavior/

It's a big group and Schramm is on there posting quite frequently.

Darla

Jane,Sorry to butt in here, but I've just finished reading Schramm's Verbal Behaviour book and I would like to join a verbal behaviour yahoo group. Do you have the address by any chance?Thanks,AnitaPS: I really found Schramm's book to be excellent, and--in full disclosure--I am pretty anti-ABA. Schramm addresses almost all of the problems I personally have with traditional ABA. My head still aches when I read comments about not wasting time on figuring out why a kid might be doing something (I immediately think about our kids who posture over furniture)or that most kids with autism that he meets are happy (where is he meeting these kids, I wonder?) but VB does seem to encompass the best of many therapies (I esp like his part about RDI and VB not being an either/or option) and our Floortime can easily incorporate a modified VB approach. Thanks to the people who recommended this book to me--it's been enormously helpful.

February 16, 2008

thanx sara see i am thinking to just work on the things Shane enjoy doing more there are things he loves doing with me and don't want to lose that really he can do the things i am asking he is just so unused to me making demands and i think i need to go a little gentler till he gets used to things

melissaxx

February 16, 2008

Just guessing , get him to comply with doing stuff he likes and

then gradually introduce new stuff (that he still likes) so that he gets

the idea that doing what he is told can lead to new stuff that is

enjoyable.Getting used to doing stuff just because someone else says so

even though you dislike it...............well, lots of adults struggle

with that and many people would tell you it was undesirable. " Just do

what you are told " and " Because I say so " are not generally considered

very inspired parenting.

xx Sally

Anita wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > There is an ABA and a Verbal Behaviour group. They are both good

> to join if you are starting off with ABA.

> >

> > Jane

> >

>

> Jane,

>

> Sorry to butt in here, but I've just finished reading Schramm's

> Verbal Behaviour book and I would like to join a verbal behaviour

> yahoo group. Do you have the address by any chance?

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

>

> PS: I really found Schramm's book to be excellent, and--in full

> disclosure--I am pretty anti-ABA. Schramm addresses almost all of

> the problems I personally have with traditional ABA. My head still

> aches when I read comments about not wasting time on figuring out why

> a kid might be doing something (I immediately think about our kids

> who posture over furniture)or that most kids with autism that he

> meets are happy (where is he meeting these kids, I wonder?) but VB

> does seem to encompass the best of many therapies (I esp like his

> part about RDI and VB not being an either/or option) and our

> Floortime can easily incorporate a modified VB approach. Thanks to

> the people who recommended this book to me--it's been enormously

> helpful.

>

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February 16, 2008

Been

thinking about this one. I think as a parent and former teacher that sometimes “Do

as I say because I tell you” is ok. I think children like to know who’s boss. However I think it’s not the way to

be all the time and that sometimes explanations are needed and sometimes

leniency and understanding are needed. There are times when explanations,

leniency and understanding are not what a child needs though. I think ideally a

little shake of the head for ‘no biscuit’ etc when you’re at

a friend’s house is much more desirable than a long-winded semi battle,

for example. There is a fine line to draw. I think like with any child (and I believe

our children are like any child – they are just ill and therefore

developmentally delayed) you need to pick your battles and stand really really firm. The rest of the time the child needs to be

happy and you need to be in a good relationship with them. I wouldn’t go

with your consultant all the way, . You have gained so much with sonrise- don’t lose it

overnight. If compliance is a big issue then I would pick a few similar

instances and then you and your therapists can stand firm on those. They should

be instances where you know your child can comply, perhaps instances where he

is testing you or trying to push the boundaries. I think behaviourist

interventions are great but only count for part of the child. I think they will

work for compliance but use your mother’s instinct to sort out compliance

from pain and simply cannot do or finds very difficult to do. Also in the end

you are the employer of your therapists and the parent of your child so you

decide how the programme is run.

SARA

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Re: OT: ABA

Just guessing , get him to comply with doing

stuff he likes and

then gradually introduce new stuff (that he still likes) so that he gets

the idea that doing what he is told can lead to new stuff that is

enjoyable.Getting used to doing stuff just because someone else says so

even though you dislike it...............well, lots of adults struggle

with that and many people would tell you it was undesirable. " Just do

what you are told " and " Because I say so " are not generally

considered