KEFIR - MILK SENSIVITIES????

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HELLO EVERYONE

I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS EXTREMELY

SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING A VERY

BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL RECOVERY). HAVE

ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE

MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE COCONUT

MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.

I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.

THANKS

VILMA

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Hi Vilma,

Eddie had head-to-toe eczema with cow's milk formula supplement as a

baby but is great with raw goat milk kefir (but not coconut). BUT we

only tried the goat milk when we were desperate to find any food he

wasn't allergic to.

It's really important to go with your instincts. I think I'd try an

alternative - not milk or coconut. You could always try goat milk

later if you wanted.

Dom's web page (the main internet expert on kefir) lists some

alternatives here

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html#more_uses_for_kefir

like grape juice and cabbage (like sauerkraut)

I'm sure Tim has found others too - I'll get him to look at this thread.

Best wishes,

Sandy

>

> HELLO EVERYONE

>

> I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS EXTREMELY

> SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING A VERY

> BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL RECOVERY). HAVE

> ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE

> MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE COCONUT

> MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.

>

> I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.

>

> THANKS

>

> VILMA

>

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Hi Vilma,

In "Wild Fermentation", Sandor Katz talks about kefirs made from all sorts of alternatives to milk:

"You can kefir fruit or vegetable juice, or water with any sweetener you like, or rice milk, soymilk, or nut milk." ... "Whatever the medium, the grains seem to transform it, though they do not rapidly multiply as they do in milk." - (Katz, S. "Wild Fermentation", 2003, Chelsea Green Publishing)

Coloured juices will dye the grains but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any limit on the possibilities!

Best Wishes

Tim

> >> > HELLO EVERYONE> > > > I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS EXTREMELY > > SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING A VERY > > BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL RECOVERY). HAVE > > ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE > > MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE COCONUT > > MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.> > > > I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.> > > > THANKS> > > > VILMA> >>

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Hi ,

That's interesting. I just searched a little on cobalt deficiency

symptoms which I read are similar to B12 eg

http://www.healthcatchers.com/cobalt.html

Apparently liver is a good source too. We all have organic liver

(lamb and cow presoaked in lemon) at regular intervals. It's another

thing that we think generally helps.

Best wishes,

Sandy

> >

> > HELLO EVERYONE

> >

> > I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS

EXTREMELY

> > SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING

A VERY

> > BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL

RECOVERY). HAVE

> > ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN

HAVE

> > MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE

COCONUT

> > MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.

> >

> > I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.

> >

> > THANKS

> >

> > VILMA

> >

>

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I've always been worried about liver because of its role in detoxing the body. However I hadn't thought of organic liver. What a wonderful idea. It also has the important Copper and Vitamin D, the latter of course dependent on the intensity of sunshine in our not so sunny climes.

I am interested in the fact that cobalt helps with glucose entry into the cell. Didn't know that before. I am looking for anything which may help my sugar metabolism.

Hmm I have a great recipe for pate de foie ( brandy based!) so I shall have a look in the next few days for a good source of organic. Thanks for the tip.

Re: KEFIR - MILK SENSIVITIES????

Hi ,That's interesting. I just searched a little on cobalt deficiency symptoms which I read are similar to B12 eg http://www.healthcatchers.com/cobalt.htmlApparently liver is a good source too. We all have organic liver (lamb and cow presoaked in lemon) at regular intervals. It's another thing that we think generally helps.Best wishes,Sandy > >> > HELLO EVERYONE> > > > I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS EXTREMELY > > SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING A VERY > > BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL RECOVERY). HAVE > > ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE > > MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE COCONUT > > MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.> > > > I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.> > > > THANKS> > > > VILMA> >>

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>

> Thank you very much indeed, Tim and Sandy for the information you

posted.

I will be trying to do Rice Milk Kefir (it is naturally sweet) and

maybe Kefir apple juice ice lollies - I hope it works.

According to what I read I should expect to wait for longer than 24

hours for fermentation if I do not use dairy, shouldn't I?

Thank you very much.

Vilma

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Hi,

my son could not tolerate goat milk kefir. I tried rice milk for

kefiring but really did not like it. I found that Ecomil hazelnut

milk makes quite palatable kefir:

http://www.nutriops.com/ing/productos/ficha_producto.asp?FrmId=37

It contains corn maltodextrin but my son has no problem though he is

corn free.

Galina

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> >

> > Thank you very much indeed, Tim and Sandy for the information you

> posted.

>

> I will be trying to do Rice Milk Kefir (it is naturally sweet) and

> maybe Kefir apple juice ice lollies - I hope it works.

> According to what I read I should expect to wait for longer than 24

> hours for fermentation if I do not use dairy, shouldn't I?

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Vilma

>

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Our goat's milk kefir usually takes around three days at room

temperature, a little less in hot weather. I should wait at least that

long with non-dairy kefirs. When it is ready you should be able to see

lots of small bubbles forming and usually taste a " sharpness " in the

kefir.

Best wishes

Tim

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much indeed, Tim and Sandy for the information you

> posted.

>

> I will be trying to do Rice Milk Kefir (it is naturally sweet) and

> maybe Kefir apple juice ice lollies - I hope it works.

> According to what I read I should expect to wait for longer than 24

> hours for fermentation if I do not use dairy, shouldn't I?

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Vilma

>

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We've been very happy with the service we've had from Graig Farm for our liver and other organic meats. UK readers might like to try them out: www.graigfarm.co.uk

Best wishes

Tim

> > >> > > HELLO EVERYONE> > > > > > I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS > EXTREMELY > > > SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING > A VERY > > > BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL > RECOVERY). HAVE > > > ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN > HAVE > > > MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE > COCONUT > > > MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.> > > > > > I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.> > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > VILMA> > >> >>

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Thank-youTim!

Re: KEFIR - MILK SENSIVITIES????

We've been very happy with the service we've had from Graig Farm for our liver and other organic meats. UK readers might like to try them out: www.graigfarm.co.uk

Best wishes

Tim

> > >> > > HELLO EVERYONE> > > > > > I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS > EXTREMELY > > > SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING > A VERY > > > BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL > RECOVERY). HAVE > > > ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN > HAVE > > > MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE > COCONUT > > > MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.> > > > > > I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.> > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > VILMA> > >> >>

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Hi Vilma

We are using coconut kefir, 3rd week, and slowly going up. He has been

stimmy - flapping but he was before. I think it is helping. Just been

on hols to North Yorkshire moors. He was great - ate out every day.

Charlie had a green salad and sparkling water ( as well as stuff I took

for him) and was very pleased about it - how many 6 year olds would

think that was a treat! Sat with us in restaurant no probs, held hand

no probs ( always an up and down area), playing football and just

joining in like any kid. We saw relatives that we haven't seen for 3

years and they were gob smacked with the difference in him.

I think the kefir has stopped us putting him on diflucan/flagyl again -

we were just going round in circles with it.

How do you know your son is allergic to coconut milk? We did a vega

test years ago that said Charlie shouldn't have rice well since we had

cut out everything else almost I didn't follow it. I think trial and

erroe is the only option.

Peta

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>

> HELLO EVERYONE

>

> I HAVE BEEN READING MORE AND MORE ABOUT KEFIR. MY SON IS EXTREMELY

> SENSITIVE TO MILK; I AM SO AFRAID OF INTRODUCING IT AND HAVING A VERY

> BAD REACTION (IT COULD PUT HIM REALLY BACK FROM BOWEL RECOVERY). HAVE

> ANY OF YOU WHO ARE USING IT WITH THEIR CHILDREN (WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE

> MILK SENSITIVIES) HAS HAD ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. I CAN NOT USE COCONUT

> MILK AS HE TESTED SENSITIVE TO IT, AS WELL.

>

> I AM MOST KEEN TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER.

>

> THANKS

>

> VILMA

>