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Thank you, you guys are great. I really appreciate the shoulder. It just

really all got to me.

Becky

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Becky, hang in there, it'll get better.Once upon a time we could

take on the world and now we either have to delegate or depend on

someone else to get things done. But they get done, one way or the

other and if they don't it's not the end of the world.You can only

do so much.Take it one step at a time.maybe then it won't seem

quite so daunting.I think we all go through it. Gentleness,Boo.

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Becky,

Hi there...............:)

I can relate as I have been there done that and have felt like you do and

still do at times. I have three children and our youngest is 18 is in college

this year and lives in a dorm. Thankgoodness! LOL

But when I fell ill with RA I had my youngest graduating from high school and

my oldest graduating from college and our son in between going to college.

Needless to say things were hectic at our house and I was so sick due to RA

that I could barely do things that needed to be done. Hang in there and things

will get better. My mother has always told me behind the darkest cloud is a

rainbow. I have found that to be true in my life. Things will slow down a bit

when they graduate from high school and go off to college.

Hugs,

Wanda :)

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natesmom4@... writes:

> I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3 teenagers and

> a 21 year old and I can't seem to catch up with anything. Maybe I need a

> good night's sleep. My husband helps but I feel like I'm doing all of the

> " thinking " for everyone. You know, doctor's appointments, school sport

> schedules, etc. Does anyone else get like this? I guess I've been facing the

reality

> of RA and what the future could really be. My head is spinning at the

> moment.

>

> Becky

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What you've described sounds reasonable to me.

Sierra

> >

> > I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3

> teenagers and a 21 year old and I can't seem to catch up with

> anything. Maybe I need a good night's sleep. My husband helps

but I

> feel like I'm doing all of the " thinking " for everyone. You

know,

> doctor's appointments, school sport schedules, etc. Does anyone

else

> get like this? I guess I've been facing the reality of RA and

what

> the future could really be. My head is spinning at the moment.

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

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Judi,

If your plan would only work here.........

Noreen

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Dear Becky,

I certainly understand how you feel. While I don't have any children

to care for, it sometimes feel like I still do have to do all the

thinking and remembering. My husband is really good, helps a lot,

very supportive, but still was expecting his dinner on Mondays when I

work, the only day I work. I finally had to say that I am NOT

cooking or doing anything around the house on Mondays. If he wants

to eat, he either has to cook it, or kill it and bring it home, I am

coming home and planting my butt on the couch and that's it! The

first week he didn't quite " get it " and he did fix dinner, but left

the dirty dishes. When they were still there at bed time, I yawned,

started up the stairs and casually reminded him that they wouldn't

put themselves into the dishwasher. Since then, Mondays have gone

much better, and since he is " dishwasher challenged " he usually goes

and gets something for us to eat.

You may have to go on strike, your kids and husband are well able to

cope for themselves, and they'd better realize that Mom needs all her

spoons to get through each day. Can you schedule one day just for

yourself, and tell them that this is your day, and that they are on

their own? I think my family finally realized how hard things had

become for me recently when I had a few days when I could not go up

and down stairs from bedroom to living room without help and it's

amazing just how much more understanding they are. Our families just

get so used to us being pillars of strength, they can't grasp it when

we're not.

I'll pray up an angel to comfort you,

Judi

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Day one has gone well with " the plan " ! My daughter came home from school and

made Hamburger Helper for everyone. The 16 year old brat child made home made

chocolate chip cookies! I had to go to a class tonight and came home to

everything done, laundry put away, kitchen clean, lunches made. I like the

plan! I give it 2-3 days before they start slacking off.......................

Becky

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Dear Becky,

I certainly understand how you feel. While I don't have any children

to care for, it sometimes feel like I still do have to do all the

thinking and remembering. My husband is really good, helps a lot,

very supportive, but still was expecting his dinner on Mondays when I

work, the only day I work. I finally had to say that I am NOT

cooking or doing anything around the house on Mondays. If he wants

to eat, he either has to cook it, or kill it and bring it home, I am

coming home and planting my butt on the couch and that's it! The

first week he didn't quite " get it " and he did fix dinner, but left

the dirty dishes. When they were still there at bed time, I yawned,

started up the stairs and casually reminded him that they wouldn't

put themselves into the dishwasher. Since then, Mondays have gone

much better, and since he is " dishwasher challenged " he usually goes

and gets something for us to eat.

You may have to go on strike, your kids and husband are well able to

cope for themselves, and they'd better realize that Mom needs all her

spoons to get through each day. Can you schedule one day just for

yourself, and tell them that this is your day, and that they are on

their own? I think my family finally realized how hard things had

become for me recently when I had a few days when I could not go up

and down stairs from bedroom to living room without help and it's

amazing just how much more understanding they are. Our families just

get so used to us being pillars of strength, they can't grasp it when

we're not.

I'll pray up an angel to comfort you,

Judi

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Thanks, gives me a little encouragement that this might be the right path.

Tonight at my class a friend who has 3 grown daughters and now teen

grandchildren told me this is how it was in her house. She said she doesn't

have empty nest syndrome because now she's raising a few grandkids. I guess

misery loves company but it was good to find out she did the same things and

felt the same way.

Becky

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What you've described sounds reasonable to me.

Sierra

> >

> > I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3

> teenagers and a 21 year old and I can't seem to catch up with

> anything. Maybe I need a good night's sleep. My husband helps

but I

> feel like I'm doing all of the " thinking " for everyone. You

know,

> doctor's appointments, school sport schedules, etc. Does anyone

else

> get like this? I guess I've been facing the reality of RA and

what

> the future could really be. My head is spinning at the moment.

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

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Dear Becky,

when you discribed the chores they all sound really

reasonable. Once they go off to college or get a

plpace of their own, they'll even have to do their own

laundry.

I am also none too surprised that you are feeling a

little guilty for letting them work. Afterall, " isn't

it your job to sacrifice yourself for the good of the

family " ? NOT!!!!!!! but I felt and feel that way too

when I make some changes.

Looks like you're on the way. Good work.

cheers, Jutta

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Becky,

Oh my goodness, you are not alone. I feel perpetually overwhelmed-usually with

housework or bills-my husband is great but I put high expectations on myself and

then can't meet them and get upset. I think all of us with these miserable

diseases do the same. Have you tried to delegate a little? I used to think

that people just automatically knew what needed to be done and would get upset

when they didn't do it but sometimes you just have to ask-and it works!!!! Get

as much rest as you can and take care of yourself.

natesmom4@... wrote:

I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3 teenagers and a 21

year old and I can't seem to catch up with anything. Maybe I need a good

night's sleep. My husband helps but I feel like I'm doing all of the " thinking "

for everyone. You know, doctor's appointments, school sport schedules, etc.

Does anyone else get like this? I guess I've been facing the reality of RA and

what the future could really be. My head is spinning at the moment.

Becky

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Hi Becky.....

I think alot of men are like that tho as well as our kids. NO one can seem

to do anything w/o being told. Sometimes I just have to remember its a

proven fact: Men dont think like us! And the kids..they'd rather walk over

things then pick them up. I have that here to and sometimes I make a list

for everyone...that cuts down on alot of 'you didnt tell me to'. I know

where your coming from....just remember on thing ~ the dust bunnies will be

there tomorrow too :) Dont get too stressed over housework. Give them

all chores to do and write it down for them if you need to. Everyone should

be contributing.

Hang in there.......spring is on the way! The sunshine will make us feel

better. We are getting bit by the camping bug---lol

Take care,

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Becky,

Oh my goodness, you are not alone. I feel perpetually overwhelmed-usually

with housework or bills-my husband is great but I put high expectations on

myself and then can't meet them and get upset. I think all of us with these

miserable diseases do the same. Have you tried to delegate a little? I

used to think that people just automatically knew what needed to be done and

would get upset when they didn't do it but sometimes you just have to

ask-and it works!!!! Get as much rest as you can and take care of yourself.

natesmom4@... wrote:

I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3 teenagers and

a 21 year old and I can't seem to catch up with anything. Maybe I need a

good night's sleep. My husband helps but I feel like I'm doing all of the

" thinking " for everyone. You know, doctor's appointments, school sport

schedules, etc. Does anyone else get like this? I guess I've been facing

the reality of RA and what the future could really be. My head is spinning

at the moment.

Becky

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Yes, you are right. I suppose I've been raised with that attitude of sacrifice

and I'm getting over it.

Becky

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Dear Becky,

when you discribed the chores they all sound really

reasonable. Once they go off to college or get a

plpace of their own, they'll even have to do their own

laundry.

I am also none too surprised that you are feeling a

little guilty for letting them work. Afterall, " isn't

it your job to sacrifice yourself for the good of the

family " ? NOT!!!!!!! but I felt and feel that way too

when I make some changes.

Looks like you're on the way. Good work.

cheers, Jutta

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Thank you for all your support.

Becky

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Becky,

Hi there...............:)

I can relate as I have been there done that and have felt like you do and

still do at times. I have three children and our youngest is 18 is in college

this year and lives in a dorm. Thankgoodness! LOL

But when I fell ill with RA I had my youngest graduating from high school and

my oldest graduating from college and our son in between going to college.

Needless to say things were hectic at our house and I was so sick due to RA

that I could barely do things that needed to be done. Hang in there and

things

will get better. My mother has always told me behind the darkest cloud is a

rainbow. I have found that to be true in my life. Things will slow down a

bit

when they graduate from high school and go off to college.

Hugs,

Wanda :)

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natesmom4@... writes:

> I am feeling so overwhelmed lately with everything. I have 3 teenagers and

> a 21 year old and I can't seem to catch up with anything. Maybe I need a

> good night's sleep. My husband helps but I feel like I'm doing all of the

> " thinking " for everyone. You know, doctor's appointments, school sport

> schedules, etc. Does anyone else get like this? I guess I've been facing

the reality

> of RA and what the future could really be. My head is spinning at the

> moment.

>

> Becky

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maybe they'll do their own laundry. My 23 year old son has been bringing home

his laundry every weekend. Like a fool I was doing it. Finally two weeks ago, I

said, this is it. I'm tired and don't want to spend the whole weekend doing your

laundry. You do it. And he has been. Amazing.

Noreen

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Dear Becky,

when you discribed the chores they all sound really

reasonable. Once they go off to college or get a

plpace of their own, they'll even have to do their own

laundry.

I am also none too surprised that you are feeling a

little guilty for letting them work. Afterall, " isn't

it your job to sacrifice yourself for the good of the

family " ? NOT!!!!!!! but I felt and feel that way too

when I make some changes.

Looks like you're on the way. Good work.

cheers, Jutta

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Glad you're up and running again .

Dustie

--- In Plagiocephaly , kelly <docbandbabies@s...>

wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

> Glory Be it has been busy around here. I am

sorry I have been out for about a week it seems. Tried to chat

monday afternoon, but my lovely puter was acting like a demon

possessed imp. I have been reading all the posts through my e-mail

today, been at it for about 2 hours....Ya'll have been busy. I've

read about crazy doctors, mad members and growing babies....WHEW.

> So I will just say.... Welcome to every new

member...Congrats to all Grads!!!! YAY for all those who have made

great progress!!!...My prayers are with all those in Florida who

were/are affected by the Hurricanes..

>

> in Texas

> Mom to , DOCband Grad 7/04

> Plagio/Brachy(resolved)/Tort

>

>

> Hey Everyone, Visit 's NEW Web Page at:

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I'm sorry to hear you're a little stressed out, . You can vent

all you need to; it's totally understandable. Things will get better

and you are doing a great job in getting your children the care and

treatment they need.

Sue

Colin F., 1 yr old.

brachy, STARband grad 9/15/04

>

> does anyone else feel overwhelmed with this whole thing. between

my

> two kids i have 6 appointments a week. for my sweet 2 yr old i

have

> speech therapy once a week and for my sweet baby girl i have 2

> occupational therapist 2 physical therapist and then 1 star band

> appointment. it seems like all i do is go to different drs.

> sorry....just needed to vent. thanks for listening.

> angela/ el cajon ca

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YES!!! JOnah is 19 months with tort, plagio and low tone. We started

treatments at 1 month and is still going strong with an average of 5

appts/week, two of which are 45-1 hour each way.

Just thinking about being done, or at least cutting back makes me

giddy.

Dara

>

> does anyone else feel overwhelmed with this whole thing. between

my

> two kids i have 6 appointments a week. for my sweet 2 yr old i

have

> speech therapy once a week and for my sweet baby girl i have 2

> occupational therapist 2 physical therapist and then 1 star band

> appointment. it seems like all i do is go to different drs.

> sorry....just needed to vent. thanks for listening.

> angela/ el cajon ca

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Hi ,

It is overwhelming, and having two young children I'm sure compounds

this! You're doing a great job though getting your children what

you need, and before you know it you'll be finished with the appts.

, mom to Hannah, DOCgrad

Cape Cod, Ma

>

> does anyone else feel overwhelmed with this whole thing. between

my

> two kids i have 6 appointments a week. for my sweet 2 yr old i

have

> speech therapy once a week and for my sweet baby girl i have 2

> occupational therapist 2 physical therapist and then 1 star band

> appointment. it seems like all i do is go to different drs.

> sorry....just needed to vent. thanks for listening.

> angela/ el cajon ca

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{{{HUGS}}} Sorry your feeling overwhelmed. Feel free to vent here anytime. Quite a few parents have multiple appointments each week. It's very difficult to juggle. Just remember you're doing it all for two very wonderful reasons

mom to naangelahaiden1 <angelahaiden@...> wrote:

does anyone else feel overwhelmed with this whole thing. between my two kids i have 6 appointments a week. for my sweet 2 yr old i have speech therapy once a week and for my sweet baby girl i have 2 occupational therapist 2 physical therapist and then 1 star band appointment. it seems like all i do is go to different drs. sorry....just needed to vent. thanks for listening.angela/ el cajon caFor more plagio info

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Hi group,

I'm posting to Gretchen and all of you for advice and some needed

understanding I guess. I know that CMT is a slowly progressive

disorder, but why does it seem that in one very short year (I

was diagnosed one year ago this month) my body has said NOPE Not

gonna do that anymore?.

I hope you don't mind me venting I guess is a good way of putting

it but I really feel like nobody else understands where I'm

coming from. Today I went for groceries after church and I

honestly didn't think I was going to make it to the checkout

line. I feel that exhausted. I have been on overtime at my job

since August. I've been able to cut the OT down to 9 hours a

week with 6 of those hours being mandatory Saturday hours. My

school work has suffered tremendously this year. I have failed

tests and had to take retests because I am too tired to study

and when I do I guess I am just not comprehending the work

(I take classes on line not in a class room).

I really don't think I will be able to finish this semesters work. I still have

the pain in my right foot, even after the surgery this past

June and now my left foot is getting the numbness and some pain

but not as bad as the right yet. Today I noticed that my right

arm was so weak I felt like I couldn't raise it up to put it on

my steering wheel. I attribute this to just pure exhaustion.

By now you're asking what is my point right? I guess I'm just

lost right now. I wanted to talk to my boyfriend but he seems

to forget about my need to talk and when we do he just says

'you're tired I know take a nap'. My parents say 'I am so sorry

but you have to keep going because you need a paycheck and

insurance'. My friends don't or can't understand and I feel

like I make them uncomfortable. It's like they are saying hey I

have my own problems without saying the actual words.

In a nutshell I don't know what to do. I don't know how to get

people to understand that I'm not just tired, I'm physically

exhausted, and becoming emotionally drained with worry because

I'm physically exhausted. I want to tell my employer that the

overtime is too much for me, heck it's getting to the point that

a full time work week is too much. That makes me depressed

because I have worked hard to get where I am at and I love my

job.

My folks are right I do need a paycheck but my body is

saying if you don't give me some rest I'm not going to work

for you anymore. I want to tell my doctor I need help but he

can't even document my medical records correctly so I know getting

help with or from him is hopeless. I have an appointment in March

to see a new doctor.

How do I get everyone in my circle to realize how serious CMT can drain and

overwhelm you? How can I keep going when I can't even think straight at the end

of the day because I'm so tired. Is it time to give up school or work or both.

How do you know when enough is enough? And who can/should I be talking to to get

my medical care on track.

I mean I would love my doctor to talk to my employer, school and my family and

friends and get everyone on the same page. I'm sorry this became a book but I

don't know what to do. I am too tired to do anything but want to do so much.

It's so frustrating, depressing, aggravating, and any other adjective ending

with 'ing'.

Does anyone have any suggestions for me?

Elaina

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Dear Elaina,

I can relate to what all you are going through right now. I'm on my way to

see someone to help me with vocational skills (by the way, I " m not sure what

exactly it is that he does, but a wonderful woman in Health and Human

Services gave me his number).

I've, like you guys, have been going through all the so-called " stages " of

the depression, money, not working (not BEING ABLE TO WORK AT ALL). I'm

tired of having the crying jags, which always happen at the doctors offices,

but one thing I've learned is there are so many nice people out there, alot

of jerks, but mainly nice, and if I don't get going....which in itself is

hard, nothing will happen. It's been 3 months since I " ve started the

paperwork phase, and I HATE paperwork and am not good at it.

One of the things I was going to say is, look around for help from different

services in your town. I was too embarrassed to go to the church for food,

the woman let me come to her office and gave me 2 boxes. I've worked since

I was 14 and now cant'. And being a bartender, always had money in my

pocket, NO MORE...(lol) I was denied food stamps once and also my initial

SS application, so I had to keep working..to the point that I hurt my body

worse. It makes me mad we have to get worse before we can get better. That

doesn't make any sense.

I've got tons on this topic, but have to go. Keep your head up and things

will get better. I am into Olsteen right now. I've got a day by day

calendar and each day it says something to get your spirits up and it works

for me. Give it a try. I believe in God and also believe in happy

thoughts. If you think something is going to go wrong, it will.

Years ago, about 6, I entered a contest for my daughter to get a pre-paid

Florida scholarship, and everyday I must have filled out 20 entries and kept

telling myself I was going to win. I DID. I thing positive thinking

works. (Also won a Mustang Convertible, trips, etc.....anyone that wants to

try it let me know....sorry didn't mean to get off track, but we can use our

hands and it's something to look forward to)

Take care,

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Hi - I was about to call the San Diego Regional Center this week. My 7 yr old

was diagnosed with Aspergers in Aug. by a child psych and when I learned that

soon Aspergers will be lumped under the Autism label I asked about that when I

went to Compass Family Center for resources. Our counselor told us that the

Regional Center will indeed want something that states Autism - not Aspergers so

we could use the school IEP report which says Autism.

So it sounds like the REgional Center does their own eval - gosh, I'm just not

sure I want to put my son through that again - especially if they probably won't

consider him severe enough to qualify him. It's been back to back evals since

Aug.

Do you think it's a waste of time? Especially with all the budget cuts?

>

> > I am just frustrated!!! My 8 yr son was dx July 2010 with HFA. The school

> > refused to qualify him under Autism but did qualify him under Other Health

> > Impairment by only focusing on his prior borderline diagnosis of ADHD, which

> > was ruled out by the HFA diagnosis.

> >

> > Today, I met with the psychologist at San s Regional Center (a

> > community-based, private nonprofit corporation that is funded by the State

> > of California to serve people with developmental disabilities as required by

> > the Lanterman Developmental Disabilities Act), who disqualified him from

> > receiving services because she disagrees with the HFA dx and feels he likely

> > meets diagnostic criteria for Pervasive Developmental Disorder NOS.

> >

> > I feel so overwhelmed... tears. It's so hard...

> >

> > It's comforting to know that others have traveled this road and are so

> > willing to share their experience.

> >

> > Thanks for allowing me to share.

> > Yemie

> >

> >

> >

>

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Thanks Pam and Debra. I will look into the Children's Health Council.

From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 11:39:12 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Overwhelmed

I agree.Pam> > > I am just frustrated!!! My 8 yr son was dx July 2010 with HFA. The school> > refused to qualify him under Autism but did

qualify him under Other Health> > Impairment by only focusing on his prior borderline diagnosis of ADHD, which> > was ruled out by the HFA diagnosis.> >> > Today, I met with the psychologist at San s Regional Center (a> > community-based, private nonprofit corporation that is funded by the State> > of California to serve people with developmental disabilities as required by> > the Lanterman Developmental Disabilities Act), who disqualified him from> > receiving services because she disagrees with the HFA dx and feels he likely> > meets diagnostic criteria for Pervasive Developmental Disorder NOS.> >> > I feel so overwhelmed... tears. It's so hard...> >> > It's comforting to know that others have traveled this road and are so> > willing to share their experience.> >> > Thanks for allowing me

to share.> > Yemie> >> >> >>

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It took seven months for them to do the assessment, it started with an initial meeting with us and our son for about an hour, observation of him at school and an hour and half Autism assessment. The last session was done two weeks ago.

Applying will give you appeal rights and the case can be redetermined down the road. I don't think it's a waste of time, even when it's frustrating we have to keep fighting for our kids.

Wishing you all the best!!

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Hi - I was about to call the San Diego Regional Center this week. My 7 yr old was diagnosed with Aspergers in Aug. by a child psych and when I learned that soon Aspergers will be lumped under the Autism label I asked about that when I went to Compass Family Center for resources. Our counselor told us that the Regional Center will indeed want something that states Autism - not Aspergers so we could use the school IEP report which says Autism. So it sounds like the REgional Center does their own eval - gosh, I'm just not sure I want to put my son through that again - especially if they probably won't consider him severe enough to qualify him. It's been back to back evals since Aug. Do you think it's a waste of time? Especially with all the budget cuts? > > > I am just frustrated!!! My 8 yr son was dx July 2010 with HFA. The school> > refused to qualify him under Autism but did qualify him under Other Health> > Impairment by only focusing on his prior borderline diagnosis of ADHD, which> > was ruled out by the HFA diagnosis.> >> > Today,

I met with the psychologist at San s Regional Center (a> > community-based, private nonprofit corporation that is funded by the State> > of California to serve people with developmental disabilities as required by> > the Lanterman Developmental Disabilities Act), who disqualified him from> > receiving services because she disagrees with the HFA dx and feels he likely> > meets diagnostic criteria for Pervasive Developmental Disorder NOS.> >> > I feel so overwhelmed... tears. It's so hard...> >> > It's comforting to know that others have traveled this road and are so> > willing to share their experience.> >> > Thanks for allowing me to share.> > Yemie> >> >> >>

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The Children's Health Council is the best! We drive 45 miles one way just to go there. They are the nicest, friendliest people and actually understand and help our kids out. We spent years at different psychiatrists that were expensive and useless. We were disqualified from san andreas too. They only deal with autistic kids, not aspergers kids. good luckDeborahSycamore Art StudiosSycamore Art SchoolDeborah GustlinGraphic & Web DesignArt classes for K-12www.sycamoreartstudios.comwww.sycamoreartschool.comHome: 408-710-0892 Business: 408-710-6070From: Yemeseratch Girma

<yemieg@...> Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:39:32 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Overwhelmed

Thanks Pam and Debra. I will look into the Children's Health Council.

From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 11:39:12 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Overwhelmed

I agree.Pam> > > I am just frustrated!!! My 8 yr son was dx July 2010 with HFA. The school> > refused to qualify him under Autism but

did

qualify him under Other Health> > Impairment by only focusing on his prior borderline diagnosis of ADHD, which> > was ruled out by the HFA diagnosis.> >> > Today, I met with the psychologist at San s Regional Center (a> > community-based, private nonprofit corporation that is funded by the State> > of California to serve people with developmental disabilities as required by> > the Lanterman Developmental Disabilities Act), who disqualified him from> > receiving services because she disagrees with the HFA dx and feels he likely> > meets diagnostic criteria for Pervasive Developmental Disorder NOS.> >> > I feel so overwhelmed... tears. It's so hard...> >> > It's comforting to know that others have traveled this road and are so> > willing to share their experience.> >> > Thanks for allowing me

to share.> > Yemie> >> >> >>

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