Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 , Its a type of body work (non-invasive) in which the therapist focuses on the fluid which can best be felt on the cranium (skull) and the sacrum (the roughly triangular boney area at the base of the spine. Often the fluid doesn't flow freely for whatever reason and the therapist can help unblock it. Others on the list can probably provide a more detailed, scientific explanation. S -------------------------------------------------------------- We are about to start chelation. Could someone explain how cranial-sacral therapy works and ho it helps with chelation. Also, how do you get a 4 year old to do it? karen *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Funny, when we went through Sacreal Craneal, the DO said at some points he didn't even have to touch the head, the body could "feel"his hands presence...I didn't know they were actually moving fluid! This guy seemed sweet, but my husband didn't buy in to him...if nothing else, it helped my son to get an "easier" hair cut!-Shari Re: [ ] Cranial sacral therapy ,Its a type of body work (non-invasive) in which the therapist focuses on the fluid which can best be felt on the cranium (skull) and the sacrum (the roughly triangular boney area at the base of the spine. Often the fluid doesn't flow freely for whatever reason and the therapist can help unblock it. Others on the list can probably provide a more detailed, scientific explanation. S--------------------------------------------------------------We are about to start chelation. Could someone explain how cranial-sacral therapy works and ho it helps with chelation. Also, how do you get a 4 year old to do it?karen***[This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 A good therapist can do cranial-sacral on a child. Unlike most types of medical procedures, this one actually feels goood. Andy > Also, how do you get a 4 year old to do it? > karen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Some kids have to build up their tolerance for it or at least to stay on the table long enough to benefit from it. Once they start to receive the treatments though, they tend to want them more. There are various kinds of CST and some require longer still periods to accomplish than others. The one we started with, Orthobionomy, could be done in very short segments and was very calming so it helped him get used to the treatments better. You do need to be careful about who you choose to do CST on your child. Check their training and references carefully. While most kids really benefit from it, I have heard of a few cases where the wrong therapist caused problems for the child. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Hi 's mom, We just started this. My son has had two sessions. Too early to tell what, if anything, is happening, but I can tell you he has immediately crashed out in the car on the drive home.........he seemed so relaxed.....hmmm, wonder if that's a coincidence or a result/benefit from CST? Like with any other therapies/interventions we have tried, I'm keeping an open mind, but this (CST) like Kinesiology still has an element of hocus pocus to me.....but that's OK, if hocus pocus works and does no harm, I'm going to continue. Would you mind sharing what positive results you are seeing? And, are you chelating at the same time? Thanks, Elsie in TX [ ] cranial sacral therapy Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there is using cranial sacral therapy? We have been taking for the last few months and have been seeing some really positive result? 's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Hi Elsie, We are seeing positive results from the cranial sacral therapy. It is hard to always put your finger on the improvement except to say that she is really " on " and her vocabulary is soaring!!! She tells us all about how she feels, I am frustrated, I am confused, I am sad, I am really happy, etc. Her social skills are climbing too. One thing that was noticable is her motor skills really shot forward. She has a three wheeler that she loves to ride, but we have always had to walk beside her and help steer. She just couldn't get how to steer no matter how we tried!!! She went out one day, the day ofter a session and just drove and steered her little heart out! We are chealating. She started with DMSA alone in July and in Sept. we went to phase two and added ala. She broke out in an awful skin rash that lasted months with terrible open lesions. She didn't get more of those sores after the first awful outbreak, they just took months to heal. Then a few months ago she started breaking out in a rash all over her face and body that looks she was splattered with hot grease. Bright red spots. Her eyes get a red puffy scaly thing going on around the rims. We are chealating this weekend with ALA alone. She seems to do o.k. with that. Andy says that chealating with ala alone will get the mercury and other metals out. My doc says no, but it's been months now and I can't get any answers on what to do instead. I have great respect for our doctor, but sometimes you get lost in the shuffle, there are just soo many kids she is treating. I can't waste any more time though. Sometimes you have to go with what you think is right. is pretty much a typical little girl now. She has age appropriate language, her social skills are mildly delayed and her fine motor also mildly delayed. We are at the place now where we can breath again because we know that she will be o.k. Good luck with the cranial sacral! It does seem a little hocus pocus but whatever works. Nothing but " alternative therapies " has worked so far!!! has actually fallen asleep during two of the sessions and slept on the table for 45 minutes afterward. This from a very active little girl who doesn't take naps!!! Jane ('s mom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 Curty has seen three different types of cranial sacral therapists all with varying yet positive responses. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 We have just started cranial-sacral therapy as well. Haven't yet seen a real difference but it is too early to tell. Because CST requires that the patient lie very still, we've had the therapist come to our house after our son (who is 3 YO) has gone to sleep for the evening. The therapist can do her best work while he is sleeping - FYI... God Bless! S. Hooker, Ph.D., P.E. Director of Research PhytaGenics 902 Battelle Blvd., MSIN K2-10 Richland, WA 99352 Phone: 509-375-4420 FAX: 509-372-4660 email: brian.hooker@... [ ] Cranial Sacral Therapy Hi, I know that many have mentioned having done this therapy, and many have had good results. I have an appointment on Monday with an experienced therapist, to begin CST on my son. I would appreciate others sharing thier experiences with me and the positive results that have been seen. And feel free to give me any negitive experiences also, just so I will understand alittle more. If you would like to e-mail privately that would be wonderful.I would love to hear what I might expect to see with my son. Thanks so much, Leah ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 ---MOria or anyone another question, when my son was an infant my husband and I noticed to our horror that his scull was flattened on one side, he was not born this way and we were panicked aabout it. Our pediatrition chuckled at us for being so worried and told us it was due to sleeping on one side too long. My son did like to sleep on that side more than the other. Now due to SIDS they make the babies sleep on their sides. He told us to place him on the other side to sleep and that this would rectify itself over time. It did even out the shape of his head and he seemed fine and I have not thought about it since then. Is it possible that this has possibly effected the way my son detoxed? Do you think this had anything to do with my son absorbing metals and not detoxing them? Is it possible that cranial sacral therapy would help him in some way? Thanks for any input, Patti In @y..., " moriamerri " <moriam@e...> wrote: > > > WOuld someone explaine what this is and what it is used for? I did a > > search on the web to try and learn more but only got hits for places > > advertising that they provide this service. Thanks a lot! > > Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 > ---MOria or anyone another question, > when my son was an infant my husband and I noticed to our horror that > his scull was flattened on one side, he was not born this way and we > were panicked aabout it. Our pediatrition chuckled at us for being so > worried and told us it was due to sleeping on one side too long. My > son did like to sleep on that side more than the other. Now due to > SIDS they make the babies sleep on their sides. He told us to place > him on the other side to sleep and that this would rectify itself over > time. It did even out the > shape of his head and he seemed fine and I have not thought about it > since then. Is it possible that this has possibly effected the way my > son detoxed? Do you think this had anything to do with my son > absorbing metals and not detoxing them? Is it possible that cranial > sacral therapy would help him in some way? > Thanks for any input, Patti Hi Patti, I've heard of this " flat on one side " thing before Actually, I have no idea if this could still be an issue or could cause problems. In fact, the kinds of problems that cranial manipulation can help with MIGHT NOT be at all apparent in terms of what the head looks like. You need someone experienced to feel his head and tell you if it is has problems. How to know who is competent and experienced with this-- that I do NOT know. And I suspect it matters, since this is a hands-on thing, and since it seems pretty subtle to me. If you would like me to ask the osteopath I see for a referral, write me privately with your location and I'd be glad to. The other issue you alluded to: whether having shape and alignment problems could be related to having metals problems: I do not know, but I have definatly wondered about this. As to whether it could help your son, I think it could help many kids/adults--- but it is an individual thing-- depends on whether (or to what degree) he has the problems it addresses. Which is why you would have him checked out. I've read some pretty good cranial-sacral improvement stories on this list--- don't know if those parents are still here..... best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Hi Traci, I take my son Will who has mycolonic seizures, low muscle tone and global developmental & gross motor delays. What I have found with CST, now when he moves his moves are constructive moves not just moves that will get him no where. I think CST can help many children for many different reason. It is very expensive and I think it is worth it. Besides it is a tax deduction at year end. Take Care Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 I am considering taking Kennedy to a DO that does cranial sacral therapy. It will cost quite a bit, so I was wondering if anyone here does it and why did you do it and what results have you seen? Traci: I started my son with cranial sacral therapy about a year ago now. Evan is 21 mths now with global delays and formerly a g-tube. We had very positive results with him once we got through the first few sessions. Evan had a very difficult birth and she felt he was working through that experience--is that so, I don't really know, however, I can say that a certain peace or calm came over him that I'd never seen before after these crying spirts that took place while we were there. At apt. number 3 we saw a change in Evan, he was able to sit on his own for several minutes rather than seconds and his oral feeding ability increased greatly. We went to the apts. 1x/wk for about the first month and then moved it to every 2 wks. At the end of January we were able to have Evan's feeding tube removed. Now, mind you we did do speech therapy and I worked my tail off getting him to feed. I did not tell his therapist in the beginning that I was trying this because I thought they would think I was nuts. After about three weeks, his PT said are you doing anything different because Evan's strength has improved. I had to tell her then. She said that was great and when she did PT at a facility in Miami, they had the children there go once a month for CS and they saw positive results. She said she thought it was hokus-pokus until she tried it herself. Her words to me were, " it's powerful stuff. " I'm not sure this experience helps you, but I always figure, if it doesn't hurt my little guy, what do I have to lose. Oh, one last thing, our cranial sacral therapist said make sure you get a good one with certifications and experience because there are those out there that are not good or qualified. My therapist trained at the Upledger Institute so I felt confident and came highly recommended by a dr that headed up the childrens ward at the hospital. You might check out the Upledger web-site for referrals and watch the video of the treatment on the baby. Best wishes, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Lori -since you brought this up... After speaking to them I've been asked to write a proposal for Dr. Upledger http://www.upledger.com/home.htm about how working with our population of communication impaired children may be mutually beneficial. In addition to what you just stated -I know a few other people in our group who also shared good things about the cranial sacral therapy which is why I took my two boys -and I too believe it's beneficial based on what I saw. If it's not good for them -my boys love it and ask for it -so if nothing else they enjoy it -but there have been positive changes too -which is a plus. I plan to also discuss in the letter the possibilities of therapeutic listening aspects of dolphin sounds from when the dolphin is with a specific child in the water -and to see if there are any at all positive changes even outside the water using skull caps to measure brain waves etc. If it does appear promising -that would bring this type of therapy perhaps to more of our children. (even though I can't imagine anywhere near as much fun as actually being in the water with Flipper) If anyone else has anything to share about cranial sacral therapy. therapeutic listening therapy, or even dolphin therapy -as usual either good or bad -then please do. And please let me know if I can quote you to Dr. Upledger. BTW in regards to cranial sacral therapy I heard the twins are doing really great but they still don't know how to separate them and are still deciding the best way -they are back home again. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 , That is great news. I would love be close to a place that does Dolphin Therapy but living in MA well I guess we don't stand a chance of that. If you don't minds I would love to read your article. Thanks again for all you help Take Care Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I have a question--Is this really helpful? I want to have an open mind, especially since Andy once recommended it in one of his posts, but I had three different practitioners for my daughter and it all seemed like astrology or worse. I paid big bucks to try it and I heard all kinds of stuff, but in the end I saw no results. One practitioner was coming in from Colorado and was praised by all the others. He, too, seemed to be way weird. One person told me she could SEE into my daughter's body and then told me what she saw. I thought that her basic knowledge of anatomy was lacking. She saw things in the wrong place. Can anyone tell me if their child was actually helped? Also, all the so-called science these practioners pointed me to was disappointing. I really read all I could, but I could never find the science in it. In the end, I think it was only expensive massage therapy. I will do ANYTHING for my daughter, so I really want to know if this therapy will help her. in Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/ > I'm looking for a good cranial sacral therapist who has worked with > children (preferably autistic) in the Cleveland area. Anyone know a > resource to fine one? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 > I have a question--Is this really helpful? It depends on whether your child has a cranial problem or not. If not, it doesn't do much. If so it is very helpful. In uncommon cases profoundly so, or even curative. >I want to have an open mind, > especially since Andy once recommended it in one of his posts, but I had > three different practitioners for my daughter and it all seemed like > astrology or worse. The issue is to find good competent practitioners who can give you an honest opinion as to what shape she is in and how much she will benefit from this. Unfortunately as with all things under the bureacuratic control of licensing boards, competence is almost excluded from the pool of available practitioners. >I paid big bucks to try it and I heard all kinds of > stuff, but in the end I saw no results. One practitioner was coming in from > Colorado and was praised by all the others. He, too, seemed to be way weird. If they are way wierd, skip them. Cranial therapy is simply a form of manual medicine that people learn in medical school (not MD schools - other kinds) or continuing education courses. Regular doctors generally are able to put on a proper " public face " for patient contact, and if they aren't they most likely have psychiatricc problems severe enough to interfere with their ability to help patients. > One person told me she could SEE into my daughter's body and then told me > what she saw. As I said, psychiatric problems. Visual hallucinations are likely to interfere with a practitioner's ability to perform manipulative therapy properly. >I thought that her basic knowledge of anatomy was lacking. There is some interesting disccusson on the cranial academy's website about people who want to take their course needing to have adequate training in anatomy to be able to benefit from it - apparently this is a well known problem. > She saw things in the wrong place. > > Can anyone tell me if their child was actually helped? I have seen this in person, including tortuous ear canals where the eardrum couldn't be seen straightening out so that they looked normal - with a corresponding end to ear congestion and related hearing problems (as demonstrated by before and after audiology reports). As with all therapeutic interventions, this is NOT a one size fits all thing that is curative for all human ills. It is something that benefits that small subset of people with problems due to misalignment of cranial bones. In those cases it is extremely helpful. In other cases it doesn't do much. The real question isn't whether it helps some people - it does, as do most " wierd vooodoooo off the wall " therapies - but whether your daughter is one of the people it will help. From what you have said it doesn't seem very likely. >Also, all the > so-called science these practioners pointed me to was disappointing. I > really read all I could, but I could never find the science in it. I can since I rely on the older, correct definition of science - reproducible observations are truth and the scientific theory is the simplest one that explains them - rather than the trendy religious one requiring publications in fancy journals discussing esoteric research done with millions of dollars worth of equipment. Cranial therapy is based on reproducible observation, and techniques reasonably easy to teach to anyone who wants to learn them, and is parsimoniously described. Thus it is scientific despite the fact that it isn't one of the sciences that is currently " on the inside " politically. This is not to say that most practitioners are scientific, or have a clue what science is. But then medicine is an art, not a science. Check any dictionary. The major failing of modern medicine is turning people like your daughter into a statistic instead of trying to be creative and cure them. > In the end, I think it was only expensive massage therapy. That's all it is for a lot of people. It's only helpful if you have the problem it is directed at. Just as I often tell people on list that a hair test looks really very normal and they need to look at other possible causes, not everyone has a cranial problem. And as with my frequent mention of a trial of chelation anyway if someone wants to do it, once you have TRIED cranial therapy and seen no response you can be pretty sure the problem isn't a cranial problem. > I will do ANYTHING for my daughter, so I really want to know if this therapy > will help her. It may or may not, depending on her personal situation. Since you have tried several practitioners with no result, I think it is unlikely to help unless she has some of the classic indications such as liking to mash on her head, liking to mash her head into corners, or the heaboard of the bed, or the wall, or banging it against things, or an obvious odd shape or assymetry to her head or face. Also note that if you find an osteopath who does this, it is often covered by insurance at least for a few visits. If you pay cash, chiropractors, physical therapists, etc. are usually much cheaper than osteopaths. > > in Salt Lake City Andy . .. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 > I'm looking for a good cranial sacral therapist who has worked with > children (preferably autistic) in the Cleveland area. Anyone know a > resource to fine one? Thanks yes, there are a few websites with cranial referrals here: /files/HOW_TO_find_doctor look for the section about " cranial sacral " and " cranial osteopathy " . best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Natasha- Here is a link: http://www.upledger.com/therapies/cst.htm The therapist mediatates while laying hands on the head. It looked pretty hokky to me at first, but Dane always got the best results right after he got CST. Dane got this treatment for his tort and plagio. Dane's mom DOC Grad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Thank you for the link. Do you travel to Florida for this? Natasha "rmanias <rmanias@...>" <rmanias@...> wrote: Natasha-Here is a link:http://www.upledger.com/therapies/cst.htmThe therapist mediatates while laying hands on the head. It looked pretty hokky to me at first, but Dane always got the best results right after he got CST. Dane got this treatment for his tort and plagio. Dane's mom DOC GradFor more plagio info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Hi, I mentioned cranio sacral therapy in my intro, so thought I would explain. It really isn't about meditation. I took a course on myofascial release and cranio sacral treatment (I'm a pediatric OT). What may look like meditation is that you really have to have great body awareness (so you might have to close your eyes to concentrate) to feel the cranial pulses as you work on the skull. It does seem kind of "new-agey", but it is actually scientific. Because I work on functional tasks and don't actually do massage or spend lots of time with the modalities I mentioned, I have never been great at "feeling" a muscle release, the fascia move, the cranial sutures readjust. I think you have to do it all the time to be good at it. I guess I would compare it to being a chiropractor for the skull, but with very gentle manipulations. Some people don't believe in chiropractors, so you have to decide what's good for you. When I have done cranial sacral work, it's usually at the base of the skull, lower occiput region. You gently cradle that area, with one hand tractioning at the base of the sacrum (this is for small children). You can feel a relaxing of the muscles at the base of the head, and then you take up the "slack" and complete the stretch again. This helps kids with mobility problems and is generally relaxing. This is just one technique. There are practitioners all over the world, and the Upledger institute will give you a link that will tell you how to find practitioners on a website (I thought I saved this but can't find the link!) Best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 , Thanks so much for that great info on CST- we also found it very beneficial with our son in pt for tort. As you mentioned, there are different types of exercises, and we found the biggest muscle release by putting our palm and fingers just under the collar bone, with a finger at the base of the back of the neck (a little more complex than that)- and his shoulders would literally drop so much that soon our hand would be resting very much lower than where we started- we noted this by keeping an eye on the chin and how much space was created from when we started- not to mention you could physically see the muscle release, almost like a big "sigh". I was so glad our pt really emphasized this and taught us exercises to do at home, especially since I felt this was a little weird in the beginning by her closing her eyes and focusing, but after she explained it and taught us, I could totally see the benefit of it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!!! ' Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 At 14 months your son could still benefit from an active band. Where do you live, maybe there are options that you haven't been presented? We didn't try CST but we did try cranial osteopathy treatment when my son was about 17 months old. We didn't notice any changes. You might want to check out the other Group for Older Plagio children, many people on that board have tried CST. Good luck to you! Natasha Atlanta > > I am looking to hear about your experiences with Cranial Sacral > therapy. Was it helpful? Did you see an improvement in your child's > head shape? I am looking into it for my 14 month old son who has mild > positional plagiocephaly. It has improved a lot, just with > repositioning, as he has grown. > > Some days I look at him and think that it even I can barely notice it, > other days I look at him and I think that it is quite noticeable. My > husband can't even see it - he thinks it is completely better. I don't > really know what to do. From what it seems like, my insurance will not > cover any cst. I would really appreciate hearing your experiences. > > Also, what else is there to do at this age? Where I live they do not > offer banding. > > Thanks in advance, > > gil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 At 14 months your son could still benefit from an active band. Where do you live, maybe there are options that you haven't been presented? We didn't try CST but we did try cranial osteopathy treatment when my son was about 17 months old. We didn't notice any changes. You might want to check out the other Group for Older Plagio children, many people on that board have tried CST. Good luck to you! Natasha Atlanta > > I am looking to hear about your experiences with Cranial Sacral > therapy. Was it helpful? Did you see an improvement in your child's > head shape? I am looking into it for my 14 month old son who has mild > positional plagiocephaly. It has improved a lot, just with > repositioning, as he has grown. > > Some days I look at him and think that it even I can barely notice it, > other days I look at him and I think that it is quite noticeable. My > husband can't even see it - he thinks it is completely better. I don't > really know what to do. From what it seems like, my insurance will not > cover any cst. I would really appreciate hearing your experiences. > > Also, what else is there to do at this age? Where I live they do not > offer banding. > > Thanks in advance, > > gil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Hi Gil. We used cranial sacral therapy with our daughter Brielle starting at 4mos when we noticed plagio and tort, but were mild/moderate. We repositioned her did Physical therapy and cranial sacral therapy (one time a week) and were able to stay out of the band. You can check her out under Brielle B. She now goes to cranial sacral therapy one time a month. I do feel like the combination of everything helped alot. Good luck, Debbie and Brielle (10 mos repostioned)NJ > > I am looking to hear about your experiences with Cranial Sacral > therapy. Was it helpful? Did you see an improvement in your child's > head shape? I am looking into it for my 14 month old son who has mild > positional plagiocephaly. It has improved a lot, just with > repositioning, as he has grown. > > Some days I look at him and think that it even I can barely notice it, > other days I look at him and I think that it is quite noticeable. My > husband can't even see it - he thinks it is completely better. I don't > really know what to do. From what it seems like, my insurance will not > cover any cst. I would really appreciate hearing your experiences. > > Also, what else is there to do at this age? Where I live they do not > offer banding. > > Thanks in advance, > > gil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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