Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

[Guest guest]

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 1:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

I've either used the dishwasher or hand washed. Sometimes both as our bottles have a very narrow neck and the dishwasher doesn't always get the water in well. Now, I'm hand washing only as our dishwasher is dead.HTH,>> Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?> > How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk?> > Thanks.> Ellen> 43748>

[Guest guest]

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 1:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

I've either used the dishwasher or hand washed. Sometimes both as our bottles have a very narrow neck and the dishwasher doesn't always get the water in well. Now, I'm hand washing only as our dishwasher is dead.HTH,>> Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?> > How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk?> > Thanks.> Ellen> 43748>

[Guest guest]

Spray bottles with Colloidal Silver and let air dry will sanitize.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 7:24:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it!

When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle.

Jan Haybert

Evergreen Farm

haybert@...

utterlyfresh.com

Thanks All,

It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day.

I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one.

There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%".

I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be?

Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG>

One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim.

The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative.

Thanks.

Ellen

43748

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…

Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Spray bottles with Colloidal Silver and let air dry will sanitize.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 7:24:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it!

When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle.

Jan Haybert

Evergreen Farm

haybert@...

utterlyfresh.com

Thanks All,

It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day.

I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one.

There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%".

I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be?

Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG>

One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim.

The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative.

Thanks.

Ellen

43748

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…

Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Spray bottles with Colloidal Silver and let air dry will sanitize.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 7:24:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it!

When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle.

Jan Haybert

Evergreen Farm

haybert@...

utterlyfresh.com

Thanks All,

It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day.

I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one.

There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%".

I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be?

Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG>

One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim.

The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative.

Thanks.

Ellen

43748

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…

Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

So the milk does not get contaminated . . .

<G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.

We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.

(and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)

However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.

Ellen

Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.

[Guest guest]

So the milk does not get contaminated . . .

<G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.

We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.

(and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)

However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.

Ellen

Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.

[Guest guest]

when i can food i never sterilize my jars. wash and rinse them in good in hot soapy water or run them thru the dish washer. I don't usually do the lids either. maybe a hot water bath for them. we don't sterilize our milk jars either.

is right we have been programmed for sterilizing and clean, clean, clean! actually i believe a little dirt won't hurt you. (on hands not food containers.) if germs never get into your body how can your body ever become immune to them? i have some family members that they are constantly washing hands. Not sure if this is because they are afraid of germs or they are neat freaks but they and their kids are always sick. colds, flu not once or twice a year but multiple times a year. our family may come in grab a cookie to eat, not get to washing hands. a little dirt, most times, won't hurt you. rarely does my hubby get sick. the rest of us maybe a cold one maybe 2x's a year. Usually because they compromise themselves, as most teenagers do, late to bed, getting up early for school activities. just my thoughts.

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

So the milk does not get contaminated . . .

<G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.

We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.

(and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)

However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.

Ellen

Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.

[Guest guest]

when i can food i never sterilize my jars. wash and rinse them in good in hot soapy water or run them thru the dish washer. I don't usually do the lids either. maybe a hot water bath for them. we don't sterilize our milk jars either.

is right we have been programmed for sterilizing and clean, clean, clean! actually i believe a little dirt won't hurt you. (on hands not food containers.) if germs never get into your body how can your body ever become immune to them? i have some family members that they are constantly washing hands. Not sure if this is because they are afraid of germs or they are neat freaks but they and their kids are always sick. colds, flu not once or twice a year but multiple times a year. our family may come in grab a cookie to eat, not get to washing hands. a little dirt, most times, won't hurt you. rarely does my hubby get sick. the rest of us maybe a cold one maybe 2x's a year. Usually because they compromise themselves, as most teenagers do, late to bed, getting up early for school activities. just my thoughts.

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

So the milk does not get contaminated . . .

<G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.

We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.

(and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)

However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.

Ellen

Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.

[Guest guest]

>> when i can food i never sterilize my jars.

But, but, but . . . don;t they GET sanitized in the water bath? IT does seem like an unneeded step to sanitize the jars before and during.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

>> when i can food i never sterilize my jars.

But, but, but . . . don;t they GET sanitized in the water bath? IT does seem like an unneeded step to sanitize the jars before and during.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Nodding nodding

I am having a hard time finding the difference between sanitizing and sterilizing and . . . enough.

NFS says 120 will kill 99.999% of food born . . .

So seems like that ought to be enough . . .

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

[Guest guest]

Nodding nodding

I am having a hard time finding the difference between sanitizing and sterilizing and . . . enough.

NFS says 120 will kill 99.999% of food born . . .

So seems like that ought to be enough . . .

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

[Guest guest]

THANKS! So for milk, I can do the 120 and be 'sanitary' because the risk will be small anyway. THANKS!

In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro

[Guest guest]

THANKS! So for milk, I can do the 120 and be 'sanitary' because the risk will be small anyway. THANKS!

In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro

[Guest guest]

thanks Belinda. Really, it's all common sense!

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?> > > > > So the milk does not get contaminated . . .> > <G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.> > We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.> > (and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)> > However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.> > Ellen> > > > > Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.>

[Guest guest]

thanks Belinda. Really, it's all common sense!

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?> > > > > So the milk does not get contaminated . . .> > <G> We assumed we needed to, like canning foods.> > We pick up once every two weeks, buying enough milk to last that 2 weeks. We are drinking the last of it the day we go to pick up.> > (and, yes, I rinse all my dishes in very hot water ~ have to wear gloves and keep my fingers our of the running water.)> > However, MOST dishes hold food or drink for less than an hour. On occasion, we store leftover for a few days ~ not weeks.> > Ellen> > > > > Why are you sanitizing bottles? Do you sanitize all your dishes and glassware? Just curious.>

[Guest guest]

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

>> when i can food i never sterilize my jars.

But, but, but . . . don;t they GET sanitized in the water bath? IT does seem like an unneeded step to sanitize the jars before and during.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

>> when i can food i never sterilize my jars.

But, but, but . . . don;t they GET sanitized in the water bath? IT does seem like an unneeded step to sanitize the jars before and during.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

ok. this should help clear the confusion. I found this on the inet on a beer brewing forum (??)

Sanitize - to render sanitary, or free from elements, such as filth orpathogens, that endanger health. This does not mean ALL possiblemicroorganisms, etc, but MOST. Sanitizing does not remove ALL bacteria,microorganisms, etc.Sterilize - to render sterile, or to make free from ALL live bacteria orother microorganisms. Kind of a "total kill" of everything.Something that is sterilized can also be considered sanitary, butsomething that is sanitized is not sterile.In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

Nodding nodding

I am having a hard time finding the difference between sanitizing and sterilizing and . . . enough.

NFS says 120 will kill 99.999% of food born . . .

So seems like that ought to be enough . . .

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

[Guest guest]

ok. this should help clear the confusion. I found this on the inet on a beer brewing forum (??)

Sanitize - to render sanitary, or free from elements, such as filth orpathogens, that endanger health. This does not mean ALL possiblemicroorganisms, etc, but MOST. Sanitizing does not remove ALL bacteria,microorganisms, etc.Sterilize - to render sterile, or to make free from ALL live bacteria orother microorganisms. Kind of a "total kill" of everything.Something that is sterilized can also be considered sanitary, butsomething that is sanitized is not sterile.In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

Nodding nodding

I am having a hard time finding the difference between sanitizing and sterilizing and . . . enough.

NFS says 120 will kill 99.999% of food born . . .

So seems like that ought to be enough . . .

Maybe with the canning liquid?? IDK if that qualifies as 'sterilizing' the jars.

[Guest guest]

i don't know why washing in a dw won't work. go for it.

ro

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

THANKS! So for milk, I can do the 120 and be 'sanitary' because the risk will be small anyway. THANKS!

In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro

[Guest guest]

i don't know why washing in a dw won't work. go for it.

ro

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

THANKS! So for milk, I can do the 120 and be 'sanitary' because the risk will be small anyway. THANKS!

In brewing, sanitary is the standard. In medicine, sterile.

Ro