Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

[Guest guest]

Thanks All,

It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day.

I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one.

There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%".

I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be?

Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG>

One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim.

The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative.

Thanks.

Ellen

43748

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…

Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Thanks All,

It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day.

I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one.

There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%".

I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be?

Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG>

One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim.

The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative.

Thanks.

Ellen

43748

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…

Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

180 degrees is what a hospital water temperature must be set for heat sterilize. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: ComfyPawsPC@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:13:00 ESTTo: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Sanitizing bottles? Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk? Yup, my milk bottles are put thru the dishwasher and air dried. I do recall that sanitizing isn't the same as disinfecting or sterilizing. I think my stuff is sanitized (reduction but not elimination of microorganisms) - my water heater is set a 160 and the dishwasher takes about 30 mins for one wash and rinse cycle. I think the higher the water temp the less time is required. HTHJacque

[Guest guest]

180 degrees is what a hospital water temperature must be set for heat sterilize. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: ComfyPawsPC@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:13:00 ESTTo: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Sanitizing bottles? Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk? Yup, my milk bottles are put thru the dishwasher and air dried. I do recall that sanitizing isn't the same as disinfecting or sterilizing. I think my stuff is sanitized (reduction but not elimination of microorganisms) - my water heater is set a 160 and the dishwasher takes about 30 mins for one wash and rinse cycle. I think the higher the water temp the less time is required. HTHJacque

[Guest guest]

180 degrees is what a hospital water temperature must be set for heat sterilize. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: ComfyPawsPC@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:13:00 ESTTo: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Sanitizing bottles? Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk? Yup, my milk bottles are put thru the dishwasher and air dried. I do recall that sanitizing isn't the same as disinfecting or sterilizing. I think my stuff is sanitized (reduction but not elimination of microorganisms) - my water heater is set a 160 and the dishwasher takes about 30 mins for one wash and rinse cycle. I think the higher the water temp the less time is required. HTHJacque

[Guest guest]

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180… When the water was tested at the “cleaning end” for hardness, etc for proper cleaning and sanitizing ratios, the water was 165-168 degrees.You lose a LOT of heat very quickly depending on how far away the heating unit is from where the water is needed (and our is not that far).When you get licensed they will check the temperature of your water at the usage end… it must be at least 160 degrees.If you have low bacteria counts, they will leave you alone… if you don’t, one of the things they will look at is your water quality and temperature (along with cleaning procedure obviously).For cleaning and sanitizing ratios to be the most beneficial they must be adjusted to your specific water quality.Different products work better with different temperature water… Clorox for instance works best with cool to warm water… it does not work near as well with really hot water. Thanks,Sheri Palko, owner/managerLocust Grove Farm, Farmstead Sheep's Milk Cheeseswww.locustgrovefarm.net

[Guest guest]

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180… When the water was tested at the “cleaning end” for hardness, etc for proper cleaning and sanitizing ratios, the water was 165-168 degrees.You lose a LOT of heat very quickly depending on how far away the heating unit is from where the water is needed (and our is not that far).When you get licensed they will check the temperature of your water at the usage end… it must be at least 160 degrees.If you have low bacteria counts, they will leave you alone… if you don’t, one of the things they will look at is your water quality and temperature (along with cleaning procedure obviously).For cleaning and sanitizing ratios to be the most beneficial they must be adjusted to your specific water quality.Different products work better with different temperature water… Clorox for instance works best with cool to warm water… it does not work near as well with really hot water. Thanks,Sheri Palko, owner/managerLocust Grove Farm, Farmstead Sheep's Milk Cheeseswww.locustgrovefarm.net

[Guest guest]

OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180… When the water was tested at the “cleaning end” for hardness, etc for proper cleaning and sanitizing ratios, the water was 165-168 degrees.You lose a LOT of heat very quickly depending on how far away the heating unit is from where the water is needed (and our is not that far).When you get licensed they will check the temperature of your water at the usage end… it must be at least 160 degrees.If you have low bacteria counts, they will leave you alone… if you don’t, one of the things they will look at is your water quality and temperature (along with cleaning procedure obviously).For cleaning and sanitizing ratios to be the most beneficial they must be adjusted to your specific water quality.Different products work better with different temperature water… Clorox for instance works best with cool to warm water… it does not work near as well with really hot water. Thanks,Sheri Palko, owner/managerLocust Grove Farm, Farmstead Sheep's Milk Cheeseswww.locustgrovefarm.net

[Guest guest]

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

try sanitizing with H202. you would have to do research on what ppm to use, but much better then clorox

Rhonda

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

try sanitizing with H202. you would have to do research on what ppm to use, but much better then clorox

Rhonda

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

try sanitizing with H202. you would have to do research on what ppm to use, but much better then clorox

Rhonda

Re: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

Thanks, but, I have a terrible reaction to chlorox, so I avoid it.

Some of the dishwashers get to 120, some higher . . .

I have not quite figured out how high the other set go.

Thanks,

Ellen

Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox.

[Guest guest]

We are lazy and want a quicker way . . . hence looking into a dish washer . . . does the water HAVE to be boiling, or can it be 120 . . . 145 . . . 180 . . . and do the job?

We currently heat them in our oven, but I am sure we are doing overkill.

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

[Guest guest]

We are lazy and want a quicker way . . . hence looking into a dish washer . . . does the water HAVE to be boiling, or can it be 120 . . . 145 . . . 180 . . . and do the job?

We currently heat them in our oven, but I am sure we are doing overkill.

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

[Guest guest]

We are lazy and want a quicker way . . . hence looking into a dish washer . . . does the water HAVE to be boiling, or can it be 120 . . . 145 . . . 180 . . . and do the job?

We currently heat them in our oven, but I am sure we are doing overkill.

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

[Guest guest]

You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Forgot to mention the food grade H2O2 used in place of soap. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Forgot to mention the food grade H2O2 used in place of soap. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

Forgot to mention the food grade H2O2 used in place of soap. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You can also not use soap in the dishwasher and use Apple Cider Vinegar. It is being used in place of acid in the cleaning of milking systems by some dairies. Works on a pipeline so I don't see why you can't use it in a dishwasher to the same effect. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.‎"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca You could run the bottles through your dishwasher and then do a rinse with a 50 ppm clorox solution. Let them air dry and don't put milk in the bottle until you can no longer smell the clorox. That should do it! When we wash our milk bottles we use an in-line heater that boosts our water temp to 185 and the bottles go through a rinse cycle, a wash cycle with detergent, another rinse, an acid wash cycle, and finally a clorox rinse cycle. Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com Thanks All, It does help. But, let me clarify. I am a home user, dropping my bottles at the farm to be filled. Same day. I have heard I can use a home dishwasher to sanitize . . . and am considering buying one. There are sani-cycles, hot water cycles and NFS comments that 'kill 99.999%". I'm wondering which to buy and asked the sales clerk for actual temps . . . so I can decide if it really will be 'enough'. Hence my Q . . . how hot does the water have to be? Now I am more confused than ever. <GGGGGGGGGGG> One of the model with 120 degrees, has the NFS claim. The only risk I have is making myself sick . . . or losing my milk ~ which, of course, I would rather not do. But the boiling of bottles is really making this 'cost' a lot. <G> I need an alternative. Thanks. Ellen 43748 OK… we are getting really technical now, but I hope this helps…Our commercial water heater thermostats is set to 180…

[Guest guest]

To sanitize bottles, why not wash with hot soapy water, rinse well, then boil in water bath, and air dry.

To: RawDairy Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 1:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Sanitizing bottles?

I've either used the dishwasher or hand washed. Sometimes both as our bottles have a very narrow neck and the dishwasher doesn't always get the water in well. Now, I'm hand washing only as our dishwasher is dead.HTH,>> Does anyone use their dishwasher to sanitize bottles?> > How hot does it have to be to really be safe for milk?> > Thanks.> Ellen> 43748>