OT: Organic food Availability

[Guest guest]

Hi,

As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a friend of

mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food in various

countries.

As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought this

would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according to

European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets (including

the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic foods at prices

only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even entire supermarkets

that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

" non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little bit

extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be free of

pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is certified

organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here now buy

" Bionade " (http://www.bionade.com) instead.

As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries, please

tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country / State (USA).

Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or just

in specialised shops?

Are organic restaurants available in your area?

Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods is

organic?

I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if there

are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

Regards

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Never figured out how to get onto the board, but keep getting the

interesting emails.

I have been around the West here. Mostly, the best organic produce is in

the co-ops. There is a chain around the west, in a number of more

progressive towns and cities. Corvallis, Oregon also has a fabulous co-op that

is

independent, and have two stores in that town.

In most cities, the chains have a token organic section. Safeway has been

the best I've seen. Trader Joe's isn't that good, and Whole Foods is

horrible. I didn't shop there much when I was near one. Everything is " fresh " .

Big deal. Unfortunately Walmart has gotten into it, and I suspect they are

watering down standards. I wouldn't shop there for organics even if I did

go there.

I know Seattle has some good outlets, and Huckleberries in Spokane and

around have very good organic selections. But in the rural areas, you need to

be near one of the towns where a good co-op has sprung up or you are out of

luck. Being around 7th Day Adventists seems to be good, too, they also are

into good food.

Best regards,

Tom

In a message dated 6/22/2009 11:12:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

rifeforum@... writes:

Hi,

As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a

friend of mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food in

various countries.

As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought

this would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according

to European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets

(including the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic

foods at prices only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even

entire supermarkets that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

" non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little

bit extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be

free of pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is

certified organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here

now buy " Bionade " (http://www.bionade.com) instead.

As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries,

please tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country / State

(USA).

Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or

just in specialised shops?

Are organic restaurants available in your area?

Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods

is organic?

I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if

there are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

Regards

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi,

      I'm familiar with the situation in several South American countries. There

is no awareness of the differnce of organic and non-organic. Take Paraguay for

example:

 

Until a few years ago only organic food existed, produced by small farmers and

the country was self-sufficent. In Nov 06 US troops were invited in ( Bush

propaganda claimed that the town of Ciudad del Este was a centre of Islamic

terrorism) - a move that was finally stopped by the protests of Brazil,

Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina (the rest of world kept quiet).

The hunt for terrorists had one result: some 90% of all agricultural land came

under the control of Monsanto - it is now one green desert planted with

genetically modified soy.

Paraguay is now the world's 4th largest producer of GM soy - all for export to

US.

(also 90% of the East is deforested, a world record)

 

Those farmers who got killed were called " terrorists " , those imprisoned

" criminals " , and " trouble makers " those who resisted eviction from their

lands. These terms are needed to be able to follow conversations by the pool of

American friends. Promissing to remedy Bishop Lugo got elected for President,

ending the world's longest lasting (61 years) dictatorship.

 

Food availability today: no coconut oil and no olive oil left as those trees

have all gone, there used to be hundreds od small organic beer brewers - none

left. Hardly any vegetables - all imported from Argentina and Brazil at prices

that people cannot afford. (Venezuela also has to import 70% of its food now).

 

Some firms are now producing GM-tomatoes - they do not rot - always stay firm -

throw them agains a wall and the dent is in the wall. People don't like them,

they have no flavour, but are cheap. Real tomatoes have disappeared.

 

Menonites to the rescue: these are some 30.000 people, a religious group

originating from Germany, that grows organic food on some 500.000 ha in the

Chaco, the desert in the West that makes up half of Paraguay. They settled their

in the 1930s and are autonomous.

They produce everything - organic milk, organic German sausage that is sold by

their German names (Zungenwurst, Bierwurst, etc), so the Paraguayans are

changing their diet to food they can afford. The Menonites do not stress the

point that all their food is organic.

Paraguayans wouldn't know the difference as of now, a matter that will change

over time only. Some info about the farmer's struggle to produce organic,

traditional food is here:

http://infoholix.net/category.php?mId=40

 

The land that is under soy is now sterile - you cannot produce anything but

GM-soy. There is no point in giving this land back to farmers, they couldn't do

anything with it. This is an issue that affects all of us. Germany recently

prohibited the growing of GM-corn and the US will take them to court for

violating WTO regulations. If Germany gives in it is only a matter of time and

there will be no " Bio " - cross-contamination ensures this. You can learn from

the Paraguayan example: when GM-soy is sprayed with Roundup there is no more

food growing on neighboring fields - no fruit trees - and no bee survives.

 

The Paraguayan big land owners (500 families own 98%) are aware of this. To them

it is a matter of economics, GM-soy yields $5,000 per hectar and vegies used to

yield below $1,000. With such profits you can fly your croissants in from Paris.

 

Cheers,

Wilfrid

       

Subject: OT: Organic food Availability

To: Rife

Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 11:07 AM

Hi,

As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a friend of

mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food in various

countries.

As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought this

would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according to

European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets (including

the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic foods at prices

only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even entire supermarkets

that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

" non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little bit

extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be free of

pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is certified

organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here now buy

" Bionade " (http://www.bionade. com) instead.

As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries, please

tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country / State (USA).

Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or just

in specialised shops?

Are organic restaurants available in your area?

Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods is

organic?

I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if there

are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

Regards

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi,

      I'm familiar with the situation in several South American countries. There

is no awareness of the differnce of organic and non-organic. Take Paraguay for

example:

 

Until a few years ago only organic food existed, produced by small farmers and

the country was self-sufficent. In Nov 06 US troops were invited in ( Bush

propaganda claimed that the town of Ciudad del Este was a centre of Islamic

terrorism) - a move that was finally stopped by the protests of Brazil,

Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina (the rest of world kept quiet).

The hunt for terrorists had one result: some 90% of all agricultural land came

under the control of Monsanto - it is now one green desert planted with

genetically modified soy.

Paraguay is now the world's 4th largest producer of GM soy - all for export to

US.

(also 90% of the East is deforested, a world record)

 

Those farmers who got killed were called " terrorists " , those imprisoned

" criminals " , and " trouble makers " those who resisted eviction from their

lands. These terms are needed to be able to follow conversations by the pool of

American friends. Promissing to remedy Bishop Lugo got elected for President,

ending the world's longest lasting (61 years) dictatorship.

 

Food availability today: no coconut oil and no olive oil left as those trees

have all gone, there used to be hundreds od small organic beer brewers - none

left. Hardly any vegetables - all imported from Argentina and Brazil at prices

that people cannot afford. (Venezuela also has to import 70% of its food now).

 

Some firms are now producing GM-tomatoes - they do not rot - always stay firm -

throw them agains a wall and the dent is in the wall. People don't like them,

they have no flavour, but are cheap. Real tomatoes have disappeared.

 

Menonites to the rescue: these are some 30.000 people, a religious group

originating from Germany, that grows organic food on some 500.000 ha in the

Chaco, the desert in the West that makes up half of Paraguay. They settled their

in the 1930s and are autonomous.

They produce everything - organic milk, organic German sausage that is sold by

their German names (Zungenwurst, Bierwurst, etc), so the Paraguayans are

changing their diet to food they can afford. The Menonites do not stress the

point that all their food is organic.

Paraguayans wouldn't know the difference as of now, a matter that will change

over time only. Some info about the farmer's struggle to produce organic,

traditional food is here:

http://infoholix.net/category.php?mId=40

 

The land that is under soy is now sterile - you cannot produce anything but

GM-soy. There is no point in giving this land back to farmers, they couldn't do

anything with it. This is an issue that affects all of us. Germany recently

prohibited the growing of GM-corn and the US will take them to court for

violating WTO regulations. If Germany gives in it is only a matter of time and

there will be no " Bio " - cross-contamination ensures this. You can learn from

the Paraguayan example: when GM-soy is sprayed with Roundup there is no more

food growing on neighboring fields - no fruit trees - and no bee survives.

 

The Paraguayan big land owners (500 families own 98%) are aware of this. To them

it is a matter of economics, GM-soy yields $5,000 per hectar and vegies used to

yield below $1,000. With such profits you can fly your croissants in from Paris.

 

Cheers,

Wilfrid

       

Subject: OT: Organic food Availability

To: Rife

Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 11:07 AM

Hi,

As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a friend of

mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food in various

countries.

As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought this

would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according to

European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets (including

the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic foods at prices

only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even entire supermarkets

that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

" non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little bit

extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be free of

pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is certified

organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here now buy

" Bionade " (http://www.bionade. com) instead.

As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries, please

tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country / State (USA).

Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or just

in specialised shops?

Are organic restaurants available in your area?

Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods is

organic?

I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if there

are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

Regards

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi:

One of the most important things we can do for our overall health is to eat

organic veggies, fruits, natural (no Growth hormones. antibiotics or

steroids) meat and poultry and wild, not farmed, fish. There are several

markets here in upstate New York that sell certified organic at a slightly

higher price. It's the only food I will eat - it's that important... I

also grow an all organic garden with veggies and fruits that I will eat

fresh all summer, and come fall, will can and freeze for winter usage. If

you grow an organic garden, it's important to check the kind of hose you are

watering with. Many imported and even many American made watering hoses are

lead lined. I'm not interested in watering my organic garden with lead...

In this entire area there is only one organic restaurant. I refuse to eat

in restaurants because I know the food is not organic and I'm unsure of its

preparation. I will never drink chlorinated water anywhere. Even the five

star hotels where I've stayed for business chlorinate their water so

strongly you could smell it from 20 feet away. Same with their showers. If

I go on trips now, I take a shower filter and a water purifying system. I

won't drink poison. I'm fortunate at home to have a free running

underground spring that is filled with wonderful minerals, is absolutely

uncontaminated (the water source is very deep in the ground). On a 90

degree F day, the water comes out of the ground at 40 degrees F. And its

free to gather, and store in glass gallon jugs for home use. Delicious!

Fresh and delicious. And much of the time I ozonate the drinking water and

using a particular water molecular changer, change the molecular structure

of the water to hexagonal which is much more absorbable and transits the

body much faster carrying waste out much more quickly.

I've eaten and drunk this way for years. I've had some minor internal

health challenges that I resolved myself without medical intervention, but I

haven't been " sick " in 33 years. Staying well is a life style - not just an

intermittent practice. If you're immune system is questionable, the bodily

terrain weakened, that is when chronic illness is able to set in. I think

it was Beauchamp arguing with Pasteur when he said: " The Terrain is

everything. " That's so true. Garbage in, garbage out - as the computer

whizzes say. It's true for what you eat, breathe and drink, too.

Because the air we breathe is so contaminated inside and outside, I have air

purifiers in every room of my humble abode. Working at home is much safer.

That's the eating, drinking and breathing life for me in upstate New York -

as pure as I can make it. And I keep learning more every day.

>

>

> Hi,

> As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a

> friend of mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food

> in various countries.

>

> As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought

> this would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

>

> Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according

> to European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets

> (including the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic

> foods at prices only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even

> entire supermarkets that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

>

> There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

> ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

>

> As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

> " non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little

> bit extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be

> free of pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is

> certified organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

>

> For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here now

> buy " Bionade " (http://www.bionade.com) instead.

>

> As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries,

> please tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country /

> State (USA).

>

> Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or

> just in specialised shops?

>

> Are organic restaurants available in your area?

>

> Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

>

> Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods

> is organic?

>

> I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if

> there are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

>

> Regards

>

>

> Moderator

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi:

One of the most important things we can do for our overall health is to eat

organic veggies, fruits, natural (no Growth hormones. antibiotics or

steroids) meat and poultry and wild, not farmed, fish. There are several

markets here in upstate New York that sell certified organic at a slightly

higher price. It's the only food I will eat - it's that important... I

also grow an all organic garden with veggies and fruits that I will eat

fresh all summer, and come fall, will can and freeze for winter usage. If

you grow an organic garden, it's important to check the kind of hose you are

watering with. Many imported and even many American made watering hoses are

lead lined. I'm not interested in watering my organic garden with lead...

In this entire area there is only one organic restaurant. I refuse to eat

in restaurants because I know the food is not organic and I'm unsure of its

preparation. I will never drink chlorinated water anywhere. Even the five

star hotels where I've stayed for business chlorinate their water so

strongly you could smell it from 20 feet away. Same with their showers. If

I go on trips now, I take a shower filter and a water purifying system. I

won't drink poison. I'm fortunate at home to have a free running

underground spring that is filled with wonderful minerals, is absolutely

uncontaminated (the water source is very deep in the ground). On a 90

degree F day, the water comes out of the ground at 40 degrees F. And its

free to gather, and store in glass gallon jugs for home use. Delicious!

Fresh and delicious. And much of the time I ozonate the drinking water and

using a particular water molecular changer, change the molecular structure

of the water to hexagonal which is much more absorbable and transits the

body much faster carrying waste out much more quickly.

I've eaten and drunk this way for years. I've had some minor internal

health challenges that I resolved myself without medical intervention, but I

haven't been " sick " in 33 years. Staying well is a life style - not just an

intermittent practice. If you're immune system is questionable, the bodily

terrain weakened, that is when chronic illness is able to set in. I think

it was Beauchamp arguing with Pasteur when he said: " The Terrain is

everything. " That's so true. Garbage in, garbage out - as the computer

whizzes say. It's true for what you eat, breathe and drink, too.

Because the air we breathe is so contaminated inside and outside, I have air

purifiers in every room of my humble abode. Working at home is much safer.

That's the eating, drinking and breathing life for me in upstate New York -

as pure as I can make it. And I keep learning more every day.

>

>

> Hi,

> As many of you know, I live in Germany and a recent discussion with a

> friend of mine brought up the subject of how easy it is to get organic food

> in various countries.

>

> As health is also determined by the quality of the food we eat, I thought

> this would be an interesting topic to discuss in this group.

>

> Here in Germany, it is very easy to buy certified organic foods, according

> to European standards and marked with the term " Bio " . All supermarkets

> (including the low price supermarkets) here carry a wide range of organic

> foods at prices only slightly higher than non-organic foods. There are even

> entire supermarkets that sell nothing but organic foods and drinks as well.

>

> There is even a local fast-food restaurant ( " Mcs " style) where all

> ingredients are certified organic and it appears to be doing very well.

>

> As organic foods generally taste better and have more nutrients than the

> " non-organic " (standard) varieties, a lot of people gladly pay that little

> bit extra (on average about 10% more) for foods and drinks certified to be

> free of pesticides, chemical fertilisers, etc. Nearly all the food I buy is

> certified organic and I feel the little extra cost is worthwhile.

>

> For example. instead of buying Coke, Fanta and Co., lots of people here now

> buy " Bionade " (http://www.bionade.com) instead.

>

> As we have a lot of people on this group from many different countries,

> please tell us about how easy it is get organic foods in your country /

> State (USA).

>

> Are such organic foods widely available in supermarkets where you live, or

> just in specialised shops?

>

> Are organic restaurants available in your area?

>

> Are the prices slightly or significantly higher?

>

> Do you eat organic foods yourself and if so, what proportion of your foods

> is organic?

>

> I am interested to see how this varies throughout the world and even if

> there are significant differences in the various states in the USA.

>

> Regards

>

>

> Moderator

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

In Calgary, western Canada, there is growing demand for organic. There are a few

stores which are totally organic. I think the prices vary from 20% to 200%

higher than regular food. Most of the produce here, regardless of whether or not

it's organic, is not very fresh. Last month, the blueberries were from Chile,

this month from Florida & California, and they often have visible mold in the

store. The Safeway & Superstore chains have a small selection of organics, at

only about 20% above regular costs.

Barb