Re: Is an air purifier INEFFECTIVE against carpet off

October 23, 2006

I need to voice my opinion on a couple comments here and NO I am not

targeting anyone. I have heard over the years how the poor and low

income families suffer much more than the rich from this type of

exposure. That's true with any illness. You can't place blame on

many weathy individuals because they have been such a great success

financially in their life. They are only proving for their family

like we are trying to do. Many of the weathy are not the decision

are not decision makers. As you have heard before, there are no

boundries, this crosses all boarders and it can effect every

individual, rich or poor, black or white, male or female. So I think

we need to get off that kick and concentrate on the real issue, not

just why a minority may receive better treatment than others. With

this illness who is to say they are getting the correct treatment

anyway. They would have to still do their research just like we are

and sometimes the weathy that can afford to lay out boocoo bucks

have a tendency to agree with what any physician may tell them.

Those of us that are less fortunate have no choice but to search,

document, spend many hours investigating, because we don't have the

funds to waste, but we are striving for the same thing. Proper,

accurate diagnosis and treatment in a timely fashion.

Sharon & I are just like many of you on this board, we have to do

without just to put food on the table, to keep toliet paper in your

bathroom and hopefully you will have a little left over at the end

of the month to get that $10. prescription or bloodwork. Normally we

don't. I own a car, if you want to call it that and a house, well I

should say the bank still owns both, so I do not qualify for many of

these federal programs. You have to be living nearly on the street

before you can receive assistance. When we tried to apply it was

always the same answer, you make $100. too much. So it's not easy on

anyone dealing with medical issue, it's the same across the board.

The main reason for bankruptcy, seperations, divorce, suicide, must

I go on!

KC

> >

> > Re: utterly flawed theory aimed at gutting

> > environmental protections:

> >

> > 1.) No one knows for sure whether small exposure

> > are harmful or not, or whether extreme avoidance

> > is the best way to handle mold exposure.

> > Certainly getting to cleanest environment we can

> > has to be a good thing. Whether or not 'any'

> > contact at all is harmful or beneficial or

> > neutral, none of us know for sure.

>

> At this point, MY #1 concern is my own situation, and getting

better.

>

> I had many years, basically, of serious mold

> exposure, and I need to get better. The best model that I have

seen to date

> is the TILT model which is also

> Dr. Shoemakers and others. This isn't talking about average

people, ist

> talking about people who are already sick. AND BECAUSE OF THE

DISINFORMATION

> CAMPAIGN, I personally think that a significant number of people

who are

> sick from mold illness are not aware of the fact that mold is

probably the

> cause of their illnesses.

>

> Look at just one important illness, age related cognitive decline

driven by

> vascular insufficiency. In other words, dementia in older people.

Dr. S.

> says that 24% of us have the genes that make us potentially

sensitive to

> mold illness. How many older people, do you think, live in older

houses,

> many of which they can't maintain all that well. very many. Lets

say 10%,

> for the sake of this discussion..

>

> Applying that logic, I think its safe to say that there are

probably

> MILLIONS of older people JUST in this country who are getting

senile - or

> more accurately, THINK they are getting senile, but aren't

necessarily

> permanently injured yet - NEEDLESSLY... Thats why its important to

> understand this issue in all its complexity.. and not apply

simplistic

> catch-all logic...

>

> That model says that the body cant begin to recover until the

exposure gets

> very low.. That jibes well with my experience..

>

> 2.) To be complete in discussion one should hear

> > opposite, perfectly valid, theories.

>

> Americans are inherently democratic, so that logic works for

ideas, but it

> isn't the way science necessarily works.

>

> And it needs to be stated that often, people get terribly mixed up.

>

> Its true, that some exposure to, for example, bacteria,

strengthens the

> immune system. Kids who grow up on farms, for example, tend to be

healthier

> than kds who grow up in hyperclean suburban homes.. BUT.. the

problem is

> that this is not some innocent discussion.. Its a discussion which

is

> determining public policy and the powers that be are trying to

weaken every

> protection we have.. DON'T WORRY, people will get the exposures

they get

> and they will build up immunity.. Its NOT positive to go backwards

on

> environmental protections in order to protect us. WE ALL KNOW

WHY...

>

> > It's

> > older than anyone in this group. My parents

> > worried they kept my sister too clean and that is

> > why she got polio, so nothing new at all. That

> > was viral exposure though and this is toxins, but

> > also I was referring to exposure to mold.

>

> The reason I think this is BAD BAD BAD is because SO many people

are

> probably sick from mold and don't know it. Thats just MY opinion.

Its based

> on my own experience. I REALLY didn't want to believe that MOLD

was what was

> making me sick because yes, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT I RE-EVALUATE

MANY OF THE

> EXPERIENCES going back years in that light.. But I did and after I

did

> things that didn't before started making sense.. and now this is

what I

> feel. I am not going to try to explain it to you any more, you

either

> understand or you don't.

>

> Look, I am just looking at all the people I know who have

described symptoms

> to me like mine..

> I might be wrong, of course.. but I think that few people have the

> intellectual courage to put this whole thing together because its

> disturbing.. But we need to, and then get to work, together, to

fix it

> instead of all the drama..

>

> Children do not have strong immune systems since

> > they are 'new' and haven't been exposed to them

> > yet, so it is as old as that recommendation that

> > children and the elderly be vaccinated, before

> > adults. The elderly since there immune systems

> > are old and maybe not strong anymore. Children

> > because their immune systems are new and haven't

> > developed many antibodies yet. Without exposure

> > you can lose immunity to many things that is why

> > vaccines are supposed to be given over again or

> > wear out over time.

>

> Whatever.

>

> YOU DON'T MAKE PEOPLE HEALTHY WITH POISONS...

>

> YOU DON'T CREATE LOOPHOLES BIG ENOUGH TO DRIVE TRUCKS THROUGH...

>

> 4.) I'm not proposing this is case or that people

> > purposely go out and expose themselves to things

> > as there is enough we run into accidentally to

> > take care of that. I'm just stating that there

> > is an opposite theory out there so nothing to say

> > for sure that some exposure daily is a terrible

> > thing, that will ruin the other 23 hours of a day

> > you were away from it. May be true, may not be

> > true. Noone knows for sure. All these are

> > theories.

>

> Again, I think the scary thing is the cumulative nature of these

things.

> And also the fact that even though POOR PEOPLE DON'T, they usually

CAN'T

> COMPLAIN..

>

> doesn't mean that those exposures aren't happening on a massive

scale..

>

> For example, think of all the (often) illegal immigrants who

often, end up

> being the ones who clean up mold in this country.. IN THE REAL

WORLD... (not

> the world of us, who make noise about this.. who are better

informed than

> 99.9999% of the rest of the world on this..)

>

> Well, they need to FEED THEIR FAMILIES TOO.. and wow, they are

HUMAN TOO,

> and guess what, 24% of THEM are also sensitive to mold.. But they

CAN'T

> COMPLAIN, because they are marginalized nonbeings in America..

>

> Well, what goes around comes around.. How we treat the powerless

is very

> important in how well the future will see us. DID WE DEAL WITH THIS

> CHALLENGE OR DID WE TRY TO DENY IT AND SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG?

>

> However society treats them is how it will treat us too.. I

suspect - They

> are just the tip of the iceberg..

>

> 5.) I don't know that people who need to live in

> > a metal capsule and move around with the wind,

> > should criticize others for not following.

> > However I might have to do that too, so not

> > criticizing either. If I did, I wouldn't feel

> > superior to others in my solution. I'd just feel

> > sorry for them and me too.

>

> Hey, your beef is with me.. not others...

>

> I thank those other people for making me aware of this viewpoint

and I

> rsisted it at first for the same reasons, I suppose, but now,

facing the way

> my own body has reacted to things bluntly, I have to admit indeed

declare

> that its right..

>

> Yes, it has taken me a long time to realize that its the right

one..

>

October 23, 2006

KC, well put I must add. Molds/toxins/mycotoxins/fungi, etc do not

discriminate. These toxins do not know who is rich, poor, caucasion or

otherwise, etc. It can happen to anyone at any given time. Darlene

tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: I need

to voice my opinion on a couple comments here and NO I am not