Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous.... Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. Edwin Shank From: BarbaraJ Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:42 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: GNRH and Lutalyse Edwin, Can I have permission to use this article below in my blog? If you'd like I can make you anonymous, I have a small readership of mostly family, but they think we are nuts for drinking raw milk, yet most of them consider themselves healthy eaters. Thank you! Barb in Colorado GNRH and Lutalyse I'm sure Cheyenne and others don't intend to paint all conventional farmers with one paint brush. If a non-certified-organic farmer is farming responsibly by organic principles but simply has not gone to the effort and cost to get certified, I know that I, for one, would feel he is one of us, striving for the same cause, producing the same product, just without the paper trail and audit to prove it. Salatin of Polyface farm is a prime example of this type of organic-yet-not-certified farmer. The disgraceful and unethical actions that Cheyenne is referring to is when a conventional fellow tries to green wash his product by playing on the ignorance of the consumer. GNRH and Lutalyse are two powerful reproductive hormones that are in extremely common use in conventional dairy. Lutalyse is so powerful an estrus stimulant that If a dairyman by mistake injects a pregnant cow with as little as 5ml, she will abort her calf and be in estrus within 72 hrs even if she had been far along in her pregnancy. In a common ovulation synchronization program a cow who is not pregnant will receive up to four hormone shots for every time she is bred. How do I know ? I farmed for more than 15 years as a conventional dairyman. Believe me its true. Probably 80-85% of conventional cows are managed this way. Yet their milk may be sold as hormone free. I know a conventional dairyman who is direct marketing his milk as "Hormone Free" because he do not use Monsanto's rBGH (recumbent Bovine Growth Hormone). When I asked this fellow if he uses the reproductive hormones GNRH and Lutalyse , he admitted that "yes, he still does use those." So to the consumer, What does hormone free mean? It usually means the milk is free from the one hormone that you are educated enough to ask about, rBGH or rBST. The ones you don't know about,?.... they only hope you don't find out about. If your farmer is not certified organic, you better ask him point blank if he is using the reproductive hormones GNRH & Lutalyse. Keep your eyes open! Edwin Shank Shankstead EcoFarmHome of The Family Cow LLC 3854 Olde Scotland RoadChambersburg PA 17202 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 03/12/09 10:38:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous.... Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, " What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones? " They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous.... Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, " What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones? " They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I believe it is also dangerous for asthmatics to handle these drugs. We don't use them on our farm for that reason. We also will not have Micotil on the farm either becuase it kills people. Heck of a side effect if you ask me. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadahttp://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." —Edmund Burke Re: GNRH and Lutalyse Maybe I'll learn to keep my mouth shut at some point, but there is a bit of free time at the moment and I believe in educating or at least prompting discussions where I can. A quick note from a mod, or anyone else, that they really would wish I wouldn't and I will go back to lurking and keeping my mouth shut. ;o)Out of curiosity, are you against the use of Lutalyse in the case of a cow with metritis after calving? We had a wonderful 8 year old Jersey cow who ended up barren because we did not catch her metritis in time. It went untreated. The simplest and least invasive course is one to two shots (two if the infection still is there a few weeks later) of Lutalyse to empty the uterus of the infection. It opens the cervix and expels the contents of the uterus (which is why it will abort a cow that is pregnant). Hoolie did not get treated and had to be sold a year and a half later as an open barren cow. One or two shots of a hormone (which is the same as the hormones found in the cow's body) could have given Hoolie a longer life. I should mention that our herd's reproductive health, overall, is generally pretty stellar. At herd health checks the vet was generally commenting on just how healthy and clean the cows' reproductive health was. One reason we don't catch thing like Hoolie's issue early enough. We also always relied on the vet to administer lutalyse if it was warranted as needed. We now have a bottle on hand, just in case. It sat for over two years before it was used. I used it on a goat who had been in labor and then stalled with the cervix closing with the dead kid stuck behind it. I used the lutalyse to open the cervix back up so we could get the dead kid out. It was a decision that was not made lightly. Vercua's health and safety were our main concern though. That was our 173rd kidding on the farm and the first time we even considered the use of Lutalyse.Or how about a cystic cow? Just cull her? Carina was cystic as a heifer, a rapid cycler. She finally settled to a bull who could breed her multiple times and break the cysts each time. Settled back the first year first service (AI). Settled back the second time first service (AI). Then she went on to be cystic in her third lactation again. We opted to use GNRH and lutalyse to break it up so she could settle. An unfortunate side effect was the twins she settled with, but she settled. Our first time using GNRH and I'm not sure we would go that route again. A (stray) bull had been running with the herd for over a month when we had the vet check her and she still did not settle until after the series of shots. Maybe if we had waited long enough the bull might have settled her, but she was very worn down after rapid cycling for two months straight and it does do damage to the uterine health to be cystic that long as well as her overall condition. A cow in heat, especially a cow like Carina was, spends most of their time out on pasture chasing other cows, being ridden and not grazing or resting. Cull the cow? Or give her another chance by utilizing artificial hormones once or twice in her lifetime?Where is the line drawn? Do you not offer/sell milk when a cow is in heat because her level of hormones is risen above it normal resting level? Or is it only when the rise is caused by artificial hormones?Everyone who drinks raw milk should know how their farmer operates and why. The why is the important part. Ask why. Ask them to explain their choices. If you don't like them, start up a discussion with the farmer about your concerns, but keep in mind that the person who actually does the day to day labor, might just have an understanding about a situation that you are not aware of. There may be a valid reason for doing what they do. If, after your discussion, the farmer is set in their ways and isn't interested in considering things from another point of view, and you are simply not comfortable with their way of farming, then seek a farmer who operates the way you would prefer. RoseannaJourney's End JerseysMorning Mist Herdville, OHDost Thou Have Milk?Jerseys, Jersey/Norwegian Reds, Boers, Nubians and crossbreedshttp://www.freewebs .com/journeysend jerseyshttp://www.freewebs .com/morningmist herd No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 20:42:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 here is a link. http://www.lutalyse.com/pahimages/msds_us/Lutalyse.pdf--- Subject: Re: GNRH and LutalyseTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:07 PM Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous... . Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 here is a link. http://www.lutalyse.com/pahimages/msds_us/Lutalyse.pdf--- Subject: Re: GNRH and LutalyseTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:07 PM Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous... . Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Most heifers calve at 24 months so a 23 month old heifer isn't that far off. I have another suggestion for avoiding calving paralysis and that is a C-section. That is expensive but what should have been done. Our Angus bulls through about 80 pound calves. I would not breed them to a Jersey hiefer and if I did by accident or not, I would expect a C-section bill. I have a friend that regularly aborts her purebred heifers because all her bull calves are on the same pastures. Well that is till one year she miscounted and aborted a viable calf that she had to take care of etc and a 14 month old heifer had to deliver. Seriously people why are we using bandaids instead of cures? If you have a regular problem with stray bull is there nothing that can be done? Legally or maybe a higher fence or maybe a higher power electric fencer? Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/ All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke Re: GNRH and Lutalyse > I almost mentioned the use of Lute to abort young heifers, but decided I > didn't want to open taht can of worms at this point. > Aborting animals is not something family has ever done lightly. > However, after this past summer with Nala, it is something we will > consider more strongly in the future. > We had a stray beef bull show up from the local sale barn (a fairly normal > occurance unfortunately). He settled 27 head, from our 9 year old cow down > to some 12-14 month old heifers. We aborted the youngest one but let the > other two keep their pregnancies. We figured he was Angus and we've never > had trouble with our Jersey heifers calving out Angus calves. > Nala freshened at 23 months old with the largest calf of the entire group. > The dead bull calf ahd to be pulled. She ended up with calving paralysis. > A pinched nerve. She was down for three weeks before she could stand > again. She just about died. We had the vet out and the vet said her body > was shutting down and wasn't sure why she was treating her, but we > insisted. We've been more than willing to go the extra mile for any of our > animals (who else would treat a meat wether for Listeriosis that requires > shots every 4 hours for days on end?). > Had we gone ahead and aborted her when the vet confirmed her pregnant, we > could have avoided all the difficulties. She has permanent scarring and > permanent damage. Peaked at 40 pounds a day even though she wasn't milked > for the first 3 weeks post calving. I just AIed her a week and a half ago > with a smaller statured Jersey bull. > She was lucky. > > Roseanna > Journey's End Jerseys > Morning Mist Herd > ville, OH > Dost Thou Have Milk? > Jerseys, Jersey/Norwegian Reds, Boers, Nubians and crossbreeds > http://www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys > http://www.freewebs.com/morningmistherd > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 MERIAL LTD. 3239 SATELLITE BLVD., DULUTH, GA, 30096 Telephone: Website: www.merial.com Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information published. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the product label or package insert. CYSTORELIN® Merial NADA 098-379, Approved by FDA C-03004-R5 Item No. 82830201 (Gonadorelin Diacetate Tetrahydrate) FOR INJECTION For the treatment of cystic ovaries in cattle CAUTION: Federal (U.S.A.) law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian. DESCRIPTION: CYSTORELIN® is a sterile solution containing 50 micrograms of gonadorelin (GnRH) diacetate tetrahydrate per milliliter suitable for intramuscular or intravenous administration. Gonadorelin is a decapeptide composed of the sequence of amino acids- 5-oxoPro-His-Trp-Ser-Tyr-Gly-Leu-Arg-Pro-Gly-NH2- a molecular weight of 1182.32 and empirical formula C55H75N17O13. The diacetate tetrahydrate ester has a molecular weight of 1374.48 and empirical formula C59H91N17O21. Gonadorelin is the hypothalamic releasing factor responsible for the release of gonadotropins (e.g., LH, FSH) from the anterior pituitary. Synthetic gonadorelin is physiologically and chemically identical to the endogenous bovine hypothalamic releasing factor. PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY: Endogenous gonadorelin is synthesized and/or released from the hypothalamus during various stages of the bovine estrus cycle following appropiate neurogenic stimuli. It passes via the hypophyseal portal vessels, to the anterior pituitary to effect the release of gonadotropins (e.g. LH, FSH). Synthetic gonadorelin administered intravenously or intramuscularly also causes the release of endogenous LH or FSH from the anterior pituitary. Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate has been shown to be safe.. The LD50 for mice and rats is greater than 60 mg/kg, and for dogs, greater than 600 mcg/kg, respectively. No untoward effects were noted among rats or dogs administered 120 mcg/kg/day or 72 mcg/kg/day intravenously for 15 days. It has no adverse effects on heart rate, blood pressure, or EKG to unanesthetized dogs at 60 mcg/kg. In anesthetized dogs it did not produce depression of myorcardial or system hemodynamics or adversely affect coronary oxygen supply or myocardial oxygen requirements. The intravenous administration of 60 mcg/kg/day of gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate to pregnant rats and rabbits during organogenesis did not cause embryotoxic or teratogenic effects. The intramuscular administration of 1000 mcg to normally cycling dairy cattle had no effect on hematology or blood chemistry. Further, CYSTORELIN does not cause irritation at the site of intramuscular administration in dogs. The dosage administered was 72 mcg/kg/day for seven (7) days. INDICATIONS AND DOSAGE: CYSTORELIN® is indicated for the treatment of ovarian follicular cysts in dairy cattle. Ovarian cysts are non-ovulated follicles with incomplete luteinization which result in nymphomania or irregular estrus. Historically, cystic ovaries have responded to an exogenous source of luteinizing hormone (LH) such as human chorionic gonadotropin. CYSTORELIN initiates release of endogenous LH to cause ovulation and luteinization. The recommended intravenous or intramuscular dosage of CYSTORELIN is 100 mcg (2 mL) per cow. Each mL of CYSTORELIN contains: Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate 50 mcg Benzyl Alcohol 9 mg Sodium Chloride 7.47 mg Water for Injection, U.S.P. q.s. pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). PRECAUTIONS: Not for use in humans. Keep this and all drugs out of reach of children. The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) contains more detailed occupational safety information. To report adverse effects in users, to obtain an MSDS, or for assistance call 1-. KEEP REFRIGERATED: 2°-8°C (36°-46°F). HOW SUPPLIED: CYSTORELIN is available in a concentration of 50 mcg/mL pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). CYSTORELIN is supplied in multi-dose vials containing 10 mL of sterile solution. Marketed by: Merial Limited, 3239 Satellite Blvd., Duluth, GA 30096-4640 U.S.A. Technical Support 1- Merial Limited, a company limited by shares registered in England and Wales (registered number 3332751) with a registered office at PO Box 327, Sandringham House, Sandringham Avenue, Harlow Business Park, Harlow, Essex CM19 5QA, England, and domesticated in Delaware, USA as Merial LLC. ® Registered trademark of Merial Limited. © 2005 Merial Limited. All Rights Reserved. Rev. 03-2005 NAC No.: 11110082 Subject: Re: GNRH and LutalyseTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:07 PM Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous... . Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 MERIAL LTD. 3239 SATELLITE BLVD., DULUTH, GA, 30096 Telephone: Website: www.merial.com Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information published. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the product label or package insert. CYSTORELIN® Merial NADA 098-379, Approved by FDA C-03004-R5 Item No. 82830201 (Gonadorelin Diacetate Tetrahydrate) FOR INJECTION For the treatment of cystic ovaries in cattle CAUTION: Federal (U.S.A.) law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian. DESCRIPTION: CYSTORELIN® is a sterile solution containing 50 micrograms of gonadorelin (GnRH) diacetate tetrahydrate per milliliter suitable for intramuscular or intravenous administration. Gonadorelin is a decapeptide composed of the sequence of amino acids- 5-oxoPro-His-Trp-Ser-Tyr-Gly-Leu-Arg-Pro-Gly-NH2- a molecular weight of 1182.32 and empirical formula C55H75N17O13. The diacetate tetrahydrate ester has a molecular weight of 1374.48 and empirical formula C59H91N17O21. Gonadorelin is the hypothalamic releasing factor responsible for the release of gonadotropins (e.g., LH, FSH) from the anterior pituitary. Synthetic gonadorelin is physiologically and chemically identical to the endogenous bovine hypothalamic releasing factor. PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY: Endogenous gonadorelin is synthesized and/or released from the hypothalamus during various stages of the bovine estrus cycle following appropiate neurogenic stimuli. It passes via the hypophyseal portal vessels, to the anterior pituitary to effect the release of gonadotropins (e.g. LH, FSH). Synthetic gonadorelin administered intravenously or intramuscularly also causes the release of endogenous LH or FSH from the anterior pituitary. Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate has been shown to be safe.. The LD50 for mice and rats is greater than 60 mg/kg, and for dogs, greater than 600 mcg/kg, respectively. No untoward effects were noted among rats or dogs administered 120 mcg/kg/day or 72 mcg/kg/day intravenously for 15 days. It has no adverse effects on heart rate, blood pressure, or EKG to unanesthetized dogs at 60 mcg/kg. In anesthetized dogs it did not produce depression of myorcardial or system hemodynamics or adversely affect coronary oxygen supply or myocardial oxygen requirements. The intravenous administration of 60 mcg/kg/day of gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate to pregnant rats and rabbits during organogenesis did not cause embryotoxic or teratogenic effects. The intramuscular administration of 1000 mcg to normally cycling dairy cattle had no effect on hematology or blood chemistry. Further, CYSTORELIN does not cause irritation at the site of intramuscular administration in dogs. The dosage administered was 72 mcg/kg/day for seven (7) days. INDICATIONS AND DOSAGE: CYSTORELIN® is indicated for the treatment of ovarian follicular cysts in dairy cattle. Ovarian cysts are non-ovulated follicles with incomplete luteinization which result in nymphomania or irregular estrus. Historically, cystic ovaries have responded to an exogenous source of luteinizing hormone (LH) such as human chorionic gonadotropin. CYSTORELIN initiates release of endogenous LH to cause ovulation and luteinization. The recommended intravenous or intramuscular dosage of CYSTORELIN is 100 mcg (2 mL) per cow. Each mL of CYSTORELIN contains: Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate 50 mcg Benzyl Alcohol 9 mg Sodium Chloride 7.47 mg Water for Injection, U.S.P. q.s. pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). PRECAUTIONS: Not for use in humans. Keep this and all drugs out of reach of children. The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) contains more detailed occupational safety information. To report adverse effects in users, to obtain an MSDS, or for assistance call 1-. KEEP REFRIGERATED: 2°-8°C (36°-46°F). HOW SUPPLIED: CYSTORELIN is available in a concentration of 50 mcg/mL pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). CYSTORELIN is supplied in multi-dose vials containing 10 mL of sterile solution. Marketed by: Merial Limited, 3239 Satellite Blvd., Duluth, GA 30096-4640 U.S.A. Technical Support 1- Merial Limited, a company limited by shares registered in England and Wales (registered number 3332751) with a registered office at PO Box 327, Sandringham House, Sandringham Avenue, Harlow Business Park, Harlow, Essex CM19 5QA, England, and domesticated in Delaware, USA as Merial LLC. ® Registered trademark of Merial Limited. © 2005 Merial Limited. All Rights Reserved. Rev. 03-2005 NAC No.: 11110082 Subject: Re: GNRH and LutalyseTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:07 PM Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous... . Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 MERIAL LTD. 3239 SATELLITE BLVD., DULUTH, GA, 30096 Telephone: Website: www.merial.com Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information published. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the product label or package insert. CYSTORELIN® Merial NADA 098-379, Approved by FDA C-03004-R5 Item No. 82830201 (Gonadorelin Diacetate Tetrahydrate) FOR INJECTION For the treatment of cystic ovaries in cattle CAUTION: Federal (U.S.A.) law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian. DESCRIPTION: CYSTORELIN® is a sterile solution containing 50 micrograms of gonadorelin (GnRH) diacetate tetrahydrate per milliliter suitable for intramuscular or intravenous administration. Gonadorelin is a decapeptide composed of the sequence of amino acids- 5-oxoPro-His-Trp-Ser-Tyr-Gly-Leu-Arg-Pro-Gly-NH2- a molecular weight of 1182.32 and empirical formula C55H75N17O13. The diacetate tetrahydrate ester has a molecular weight of 1374.48 and empirical formula C59H91N17O21. Gonadorelin is the hypothalamic releasing factor responsible for the release of gonadotropins (e.g., LH, FSH) from the anterior pituitary. Synthetic gonadorelin is physiologically and chemically identical to the endogenous bovine hypothalamic releasing factor. PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY: Endogenous gonadorelin is synthesized and/or released from the hypothalamus during various stages of the bovine estrus cycle following appropiate neurogenic stimuli. It passes via the hypophyseal portal vessels, to the anterior pituitary to effect the release of gonadotropins (e.g. LH, FSH). Synthetic gonadorelin administered intravenously or intramuscularly also causes the release of endogenous LH or FSH from the anterior pituitary. Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate has been shown to be safe.. The LD50 for mice and rats is greater than 60 mg/kg, and for dogs, greater than 600 mcg/kg, respectively. No untoward effects were noted among rats or dogs administered 120 mcg/kg/day or 72 mcg/kg/day intravenously for 15 days. It has no adverse effects on heart rate, blood pressure, or EKG to unanesthetized dogs at 60 mcg/kg. In anesthetized dogs it did not produce depression of myorcardial or system hemodynamics or adversely affect coronary oxygen supply or myocardial oxygen requirements. The intravenous administration of 60 mcg/kg/day of gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate to pregnant rats and rabbits during organogenesis did not cause embryotoxic or teratogenic effects. The intramuscular administration of 1000 mcg to normally cycling dairy cattle had no effect on hematology or blood chemistry. Further, CYSTORELIN does not cause irritation at the site of intramuscular administration in dogs. The dosage administered was 72 mcg/kg/day for seven (7) days. INDICATIONS AND DOSAGE: CYSTORELIN® is indicated for the treatment of ovarian follicular cysts in dairy cattle. Ovarian cysts are non-ovulated follicles with incomplete luteinization which result in nymphomania or irregular estrus. Historically, cystic ovaries have responded to an exogenous source of luteinizing hormone (LH) such as human chorionic gonadotropin. CYSTORELIN initiates release of endogenous LH to cause ovulation and luteinization. The recommended intravenous or intramuscular dosage of CYSTORELIN is 100 mcg (2 mL) per cow. Each mL of CYSTORELIN contains: Gonadorelin diacetate tetrahydrate 50 mcg Benzyl Alcohol 9 mg Sodium Chloride 7.47 mg Water for Injection, U.S.P. q.s. pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). PRECAUTIONS: Not for use in humans. Keep this and all drugs out of reach of children. The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) contains more detailed occupational safety information. To report adverse effects in users, to obtain an MSDS, or for assistance call 1-. KEEP REFRIGERATED: 2°-8°C (36°-46°F). HOW SUPPLIED: CYSTORELIN is available in a concentration of 50 mcg/mL pH adjusted with potassium phosphate (monobasic and dibasic). CYSTORELIN is supplied in multi-dose vials containing 10 mL of sterile solution. Marketed by: Merial Limited, 3239 Satellite Blvd., Duluth, GA 30096-4640 U.S.A. Technical Support 1- Merial Limited, a company limited by shares registered in England and Wales (registered number 3332751) with a registered office at PO Box 327, Sandringham House, Sandringham Avenue, Harlow Business Park, Harlow, Essex CM19 5QA, England, and domesticated in Delaware, USA as Merial LLC. ® Registered trademark of Merial Limited. © 2005 Merial Limited. All Rights Reserved. Rev. 03-2005 NAC No.: 11110082 Subject: Re: GNRH and LutalyseTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:07 PM Can someone post the label from these hormones on here so folks can see what we are talking about. Consumers might want to know about the SYNTHETIC hormone (I wouldn't mock God by saying they are the same)residues that are in their milk, maybe even their raw milk, and the danger that poses. Has Weston Price put this info out yet? It's something that should get broadcast around the world so consumers know and can start putting pressure on farmers and regulators. There are getting to be enough informed consumer groups that we need to get together and demand that these things are banned. Cheyenne > > You may use it Barb. I didn't say anything untrue so you don't need to make me anonymous... . Though I know for a fact, some of he conventional guys would cream me for bringing this to light. > > The pharmaceutical companies and the conventional dairies who depend on these drugs for their Ovulation Synchronization (OvSync) programs have been holding their breath every since the consumer jerked their chains on rBGH. I've been to meetings where the question on everyone's tongue has been, "What are we going to do when the public finds out about the reproductive hormones?" They truly are afraid. > > Edwin Shank > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 1) what is their farmng situation? do they rent, own? do they have control of the day to day decisions? My dad- Cheyenne wrote:Yes, but if your "education" is with ASSUMPTIONS like below, that without grain the cow will be skin and bones,etc., you aren't educating, just repeating the same old tired line. Feeding forage only works great, but it requires skill and QUALITY forage.Maybe your cow/s would be skin and bones, but don't tell people it's impossible, because I'm helping farmers all over the US get off the grain train. --------- First off, I never "tell people it's impossible". Please don't read more into this than what is there. Our cows would be skin and bones if WE (note WE) didn't supplement with grain. IF this Gal knew us and knew our farm practices she would understand and maybe be able to empathize with us and have patience. For more info read on. But your assumptions Cheyenne are just as bad. The "assumption" that we feed corn because we want to or think we have to. The "assumption" that we don't have a clue as to what we are doing. The "assumption" that we have no "SKILL" when it comes to grazing. What I failed to mention is that we have farmed for 23 years. This is the FIRST YEAR that WE have had control of the farm! I din't feel every tid-bit of info about our farm was necessary. A few questions need to be asked before you jump all over someone. 1) what is their farmng situation? do they rent, own? do they have control of the day to day decisions? 2) why do they feed corn? What are their pastures like? 3) What information do they have? What do they know about grazing? ect, etc. There are many more to ask but I think you get the picture! If you Don't know what is going on, on a farm and sopme one posts something it is much easier to ASK simple questions than to have to eat crow later on. the answers to the q's above for our farm (if you think you must know): 1) what is their farmng situation? do they rent, own? do they have control of the day to day decisions? We rent our 'crop ground' and some pasture. We now have control over the day to day operations and decisions for our farm. Before this they were made by my dad-in-law and he has 'retired' and stepped aside. 2) why do they feed corn? What are their pastures like? We feed corn BECAUSE WE KNOW our pastures are not where we want them. Therefore we supplement for ALL seasons. Do we like it? not particularly. Are we working on shanging the way we operate? yes. But it will take time AND MONEY! and right now we have more time than money. 3) What information do they have? What do they know about grazing? ect, etc. My Dad-in-law has grazed for years. Rotational grazing. We will continue to do so. Are we stupid farmers? no; and yes, we do know about grazing also. We go to conferences and read publications and books and watch youtube videos on pature walks and building pastures and parlors. We are in contact with "experts". GET THE PICTURE? Some act like you have all the answers. but you don't. You may have lots of knowledge but NO ONE has ALL the answers. IF you stop learning you are dead. If you spread the knowledge that you have, kudos to you. This group would be much more inviting and interesting if there wasn't so much BACK BITING! SO Much knowledge here that so many are willing to sharing without the constant slamming of other people. It can be a real TURN OFF. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.12/1998 - Release Date: 03/12/09 18:23:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Before you get so upset, go back and read your post. You didn't say YOUR cows. Maybe I read too much into it, but I see that response all the time. Stated as fact, that if cows don't get grain they will be thin. And then the comment that the lady that wants grass fed may be a right wing extremist????? Don't get bent out of shape if comments like that are misunderstood. I didn't say YOU didn't have skill. I said it takes skill and QUALITY. Both are factors in cutting out grain. They apply to ALL of us. I'll try to take more time in my response next time so you know what I'm saying. My posts cover a lot, and seldom deal with one person or issue. I go after conventional farming as a whole and throw out thoughts to make people think. Get the picture? I'm about done with this as I'd rather not argue about the " benefits " or " necessity " of hormones or other poisons. Nutrient dense, organic(doesn't have to be certified), LOCAL, agriculture is the only future we have. Most disease and health problems will go by the wayside when we displace the conventional NPK band aide mentality. I never said I had all the answers, but I freely share what I have learned. I've paid for my farm from a milk check (mostly from $11 and $12 milk in the '90's), so I know it works. But, I'm also an activist. My children deserve a clean future. I will never back down from that. You can call it back biting, but I will continue to be a thorn in the side of anyone that promotes any kind of perpetual poison use. There are better ways, and even better ways being discovered all the time. Your right, we can never stop learning and improving. Conventional ag has done that for far too long! Cheyenne > Yes, but if your " education " is with ASSUMPTIONS like below, that without grain the cow will be skin and bones,etc., you aren't educating, just repeating the same old tired line. Feeding forage only works great, but it requires skill and QUALITY forage.Maybe your cow/s would be skin and bones, but don't tell people it's impossible, because I'm helping farmers all over the US get off the grain train. > > --------- > First off, I never " tell people it's impossible " . Please don't read more into this than what is there. Our cows would be skin and bones if WE (note WE) didn't supplement with grain. IF this Gal knew us and knew our farm practices she would understand and maybe be able to empathize with us and have patience. For more info read on. > > But your assumptions Cheyenne are just as bad. The " assumption " that we feed corn because we want to or think we have to. The " assumption " that we don't have a clue as to what we are doing. The " assumption " that we have no " SKILL " when it comes to grazing. > > What I failed to mention is that we have farmed for 23 years. This is the FIRST YEAR that WE have had control of the farm! I din't feel every tid-bit of info about our farm was necessary. > > A few questions need to be asked before you jump all over someone. > 1) what is their farmng situation? do they rent, own? do they have control of the day to day decisions? > > 2) why do they feed corn? What are their pastures like? > > 3) What information do they have? What do they know about grazing? ect, etc. > > There are many more to ask but I think you get the picture! If you Don't know what is going on, on a farm and sopme one posts something it is much easier to ASK simple questions than to have to eat crow later on. > > the answers to the q's above for our farm (if you think you must know): > 1) what is their farmng situation? do they rent, own? do they have control of the day to day decisions? We rent our 'crop ground' and some pasture. We now have control over the day to day operations and decisions for our farm. Before this they were made by my dad-in-law and he has 'retired' and stepped aside. > > 2) why do they feed corn? What are their pastures like? We feed corn BECAUSE WE KNOW our pastures are not where we want them. Therefore we supplement for ALL seasons. Do we like it? not particularly. Are we working on shanging the way we operate? yes. But it will take time AND MONEY! and right now we have more time than money. > > 3) What information do they have? What do they know about grazing? ect, etc. My Dad-in-law has grazed for years. Rotational grazing. We will continue to do so. Are we stupid farmers? no; and yes, we do know about grazing also. We go to conferences and read publications and books and watch youtube videos on pature walks and building pastures and parlors. We are in contact with " experts " . GET THE PICTURE? > > Some act like you have all the answers. but you don't. You may have lots of knowledge but NO ONE has ALL the answers. IF you stop learning you are dead. If you spread the knowledge that you have, kudos to you. > > This group would be much more inviting and interesting if there wasn't so much BACK BITING! SO Much knowledge here that so many are willing to sharing without the constant slamming of other people. It can be a real TURN OFF. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.12/1998 - Release Date: 03/12/09 18:23:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 We let the pregnancy go because she was going to be of age and we have not had calving paralysis in our herd before. The thing was, the bull was not pure Angus. He was black and polled, but heterozygously polled. We did not know until after the calves started ariving because he was never claimed. We had no history on the bull. The fellow, who knew exactly where the bull was, never stepped forward to claim him. We have usually used Angus for clean up bulls over the years, with the Jersey delivering their calves with no issues from 22 months and up. Usually those heifer freshening under 24 months of age to the bulls do so because they escaped and got into the bull's pasture, and not because we put them with him. Never a problem with calving paralysis of the like before. Why should we have expected it this time? Strays have become common in the past couple of years as the business at the local sale barn has picked up. We are less than a mile from the sale barn and the first farm those animals hit when they head East. They tend to stop here as well. Parts of our perimiter doesn't even have fencing and what is there is a strand or two of barbed wire because that is all that is needed with docile Jerseys. We went years without seeing a stray. We've had four in less than a year and a half (that bull, a steer, a beef cow and a beef heifer). We had a stray buck one year as well. The Sale barn is working on their unloading system. They are aware of the problem. Normally the animals are claimed but an owner of a beef bull that gets into a dairy herd? They generally aren't going to claim that animal because they assume the dairy herd owner is going to make them pay the costs to abort the animals. We let the cows calve out on pasture when the weather allows and do not keep them penned up in calving pens. We kept an eye on Nala very closely as she got closer, but with no due dates, we still missed the beginning of the delivery. The calf was half way out and stuck when I found her with her head downhill. I got her turned around and tried to pull the calf. My father finally got the calf out. We went well beyond what a typical farmer would do because we had made the mistake of not aborting the pregnancy for her safety. She delivered the largest calf in the group and we had some older, much larger 8-9 year olds delivering bull calves as well. Out of 26 pregnancies (which resulted in 27 calves) her's was the largest calf of the lot, out of the smallest heifer. A 22 month old Jersey/Norwegian Red spit out her bull calf out of the same bull with ease. Things happen and it is always a case by case situation. Call it a band aid if you wish, to me a C-Section is just as much of a bandaid and even more stress on the cow, than one shot of hormones early on in a pregnancy. When we breed cows that cannot naturally pass calves on their own without assistance, I have to wonder why? I've heard of some Jersey breeders that routinely pull every calf. Why in the world would a Jersey breeder have to pull calves with the Jersey's ease of calving? We don't go around aborting animals willy-nilly. It is not something taken lightly, but for the health and well being of the heifers involved, it is something we will utilize. Just like if we really had need for a C-section (and I surely hope that we never get to the point where our girls cannot calve on their own), we would do it. It is great to have the options available to save the lives of those under your care. Roseanna Journey's End Jerseys Morning Mist Herd ville, OH Dost Thou Have Milk? Jerseys, Jersey/Norwegian Reds, Boers, Nubians and crossbreed http://www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys http://www.freewebs.com/morningmistherd > > Most heifers calve at 24 months so a 23 month old heifer isn't that far off. > I have another suggestion for avoiding calving paralysis and that is a > C-section. That is expensive but what should have been done. Our Angus > bulls through about 80 pound calves. I would not breed them to a Jersey > hiefer and if I did by accident or not, I would expect a C-section bill. > I have a friend that regularly aborts her purebred heifers because all her > bull calves are on the same pastures. Well that is till one year she > miscounted and aborted a viable calf that she had to take care of etc and a > 14 month old heifer had to deliver. > Seriously people why are we using bandaids instead of cures? > If you have a regular problem with stray bull is there nothing that can be > done? Legally or maybe a higher fence or maybe a higher power electric > fencer? > > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/ > All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for > enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 We let the pregnancy go because she was going to be of age and we have not had calving paralysis in our herd before. The thing was, the bull was not pure Angus. He was black and polled, but heterozygously polled. We did not know until after the calves started ariving because he was never claimed. We had no history on the bull. The fellow, who knew exactly where the bull was, never stepped forward to claim him. We have usually used Angus for clean up bulls over the years, with the Jersey delivering their calves with no issues from 22 months and up. Usually those heifer freshening under 24 months of age to the bulls do so because they escaped and got into the bull's pasture, and not because we put them with him. Never a problem with calving paralysis of the like before. Why should we have expected it this time? Strays have become common in the past couple of years as the business at the local sale barn has picked up. We are less than a mile from the sale barn and the first farm those animals hit when they head East. They tend to stop here as well. Parts of our perimiter doesn't even have fencing and what is there is a strand or two of barbed wire because that is all that is needed with docile Jerseys. We went years without seeing a stray. We've had four in less than a year and a half (that bull, a steer, a beef cow and a beef heifer). We had a stray buck one year as well. The Sale barn is working on their unloading system. They are aware of the problem. Normally the animals are claimed but an owner of a beef bull that gets into a dairy herd? They generally aren't going to claim that animal because they assume the dairy herd owner is going to make them pay the costs to abort the animals. We let the cows calve out on pasture when the weather allows and do not keep them penned up in calving pens. We kept an eye on Nala very closely as she got closer, but with no due dates, we still missed the beginning of the delivery. The calf was half way out and stuck when I found her with her head downhill. I got her turned around and tried to pull the calf. My father finally got the calf out. We went well beyond what a typical farmer would do because we had made the mistake of not aborting the pregnancy for her safety. She delivered the largest calf in the group and we had some older, much larger 8-9 year olds delivering bull calves as well. Out of 26 pregnancies (which resulted in 27 calves) her's was the largest calf of the lot, out of the smallest heifer. A 22 month old Jersey/Norwegian Red spit out her bull calf out of the same bull with ease. Things happen and it is always a case by case situation. Call it a band aid if you wish, to me a C-Section is just as much of a bandaid and even more stress on the cow, than one shot of hormones early on in a pregnancy. When we breed cows that cannot naturally pass calves on their own without assistance, I have to wonder why? I've heard of some Jersey breeders that routinely pull every calf. Why in the world would a Jersey breeder have to pull calves with the Jersey's ease of calving? We don't go around aborting animals willy-nilly. It is not something taken lightly, but for the health and well being of the heifers involved, it is something we will utilize. Just like if we really had need for a C-section (and I surely hope that we never get to the point where our girls cannot calve on their own), we would do it. It is great to have the options available to save the lives of those under your care. Roseanna Journey's End Jerseys Morning Mist Herd ville, OH Dost Thou Have Milk? Jerseys, Jersey/Norwegian Reds, Boers, Nubians and crossbreed http://www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys http://www.freewebs.com/morningmistherd > > Most heifers calve at 24 months so a 23 month old heifer isn't that far off. > I have another suggestion for avoiding calving paralysis and that is a > C-section. That is expensive but what should have been done. Our Angus > bulls through about 80 pound calves. I would not breed them to a Jersey > hiefer and if I did by accident or not, I would expect a C-section bill. > I have a friend that regularly aborts her purebred heifers because all her > bull calves are on the same pastures. Well that is till one year she > miscounted and aborted a viable calf that she had to take care of etc and a > 14 month old heifer had to deliver. > Seriously people why are we using bandaids instead of cures? > If you have a regular problem with stray bull is there nothing that can be > done? Legally or maybe a higher fence or maybe a higher power electric > fencer? > > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/ > All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for > enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 We let the pregnancy go because she was going to be of age and we have not had calving paralysis in our herd before. The thing was, the bull was not pure Angus. He was black and polled, but heterozygously polled. We did not know until after the calves started ariving because he was never claimed. We had no history on the bull. The fellow, who knew exactly where the bull was, never stepped forward to claim him. We have usually used Angus for clean up bulls over the years, with the Jersey delivering their calves with no issues from 22 months and up. Usually those heifer freshening under 24 months of age to the bulls do so because they escaped and got into the bull's pasture, and not because we put them with him. Never a problem with calving paralysis of the like before. Why should we have expected it this time? Strays have become common in the past couple of years as the business at the local sale barn has picked up. We are less than a mile from the sale barn and the first farm those animals hit when they head East. They tend to stop here as well. Parts of our perimiter doesn't even have fencing and what is there is a strand or two of barbed wire because that is all that is needed with docile Jerseys. We went years without seeing a stray. We've had four in less than a year and a half (that bull, a steer, a beef cow and a beef heifer). We had a stray buck one year as well. The Sale barn is working on their unloading system. They are aware of the problem. Normally the animals are claimed but an owner of a beef bull that gets into a dairy herd? They generally aren't going to claim that animal because they assume the dairy herd owner is going to make them pay the costs to abort the animals. We let the cows calve out on pasture when the weather allows and do not keep them penned up in calving pens. We kept an eye on Nala very closely as she got closer, but with no due dates, we still missed the beginning of the delivery. The calf was half way out and stuck when I found her with her head downhill. I got her turned around and tried to pull the calf. My father finally got the calf out. We went well beyond what a typical farmer would do because we had made the mistake of not aborting the pregnancy for her safety. She delivered the largest calf in the group and we had some older, much larger 8-9 year olds delivering bull calves as well. Out of 26 pregnancies (which resulted in 27 calves) her's was the largest calf of the lot, out of the smallest heifer. A 22 month old Jersey/Norwegian Red spit out her bull calf out of the same bull with ease. Things happen and it is always a case by case situation. Call it a band aid if you wish, to me a C-Section is just as much of a bandaid and even more stress on the cow, than one shot of hormones early on in a pregnancy. When we breed cows that cannot naturally pass calves on their own without assistance, I have to wonder why? I've heard of some Jersey breeders that routinely pull every calf. Why in the world would a Jersey breeder have to pull calves with the Jersey's ease of calving? We don't go around aborting animals willy-nilly. It is not something taken lightly, but for the health and well being of the heifers involved, it is something we will utilize. Just like if we really had need for a C-section (and I surely hope that we never get to the point where our girls cannot calve on their own), we would do it. It is great to have the options available to save the lives of those under your care. Roseanna Journey's End Jerseys Morning Mist Herd ville, OH Dost Thou Have Milk? Jerseys, Jersey/Norwegian Reds, Boers, Nubians and crossbreed http://www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys http://www.freewebs.com/morningmistherd > > Most heifers calve at 24 months so a 23 month old heifer isn't that far off. > I have another suggestion for avoiding calving paralysis and that is a > C-section. That is expensive but what should have been done. Our Angus > bulls through about 80 pound calves. I would not breed them to a Jersey > hiefer and if I did by accident or not, I would expect a C-section bill. > I have a friend that regularly aborts her purebred heifers because all her > bull calves are on the same pastures. Well that is till one year she > miscounted and aborted a viable calf that she had to take care of etc and a > 14 month old heifer had to deliver. > Seriously people why are we using bandaids instead of cures? > If you have a regular problem with stray bull is there nothing that can be > done? Legally or maybe a higher fence or maybe a higher power electric > fencer? > > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/ > All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for > enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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