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So do you mean, if you feel even the SLIGHTEST HIT, LEAVE????

If that's the case for me, i'd be in my backyard day and night. Tho, sometimes

there are " spots " in my house i feel sort of ok. Tho I KNOW the must is

everywhere, just in differing amounts.

I've already left my job. How does one go to get food??

Oh, anyone hear about the Air Sterilizer/Air Humidifier???

Costs about the same as a plain humidifier.

I can so relate to all you suffering mcs'ers. I too am having a bad time.

Sometimes I can see the light, sometimes it's all so dark. There's a song out

called " move along. " Gotta remember it. Felice

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felice <anupath14@...> wrote:

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> So do you mean, if you feel even the SLIGHTEST HIT, LEAVE????

If that's the case for me, i'd be in my backyard day and night.

Yes, that is what I was forced to do. This is a terrible illness.

But nobody believed that there was ANY way out of it - at all, ever.

Nothing that we knew of, nothing that we found. No doctors anywhere

could do a thing.

Yet by the fall of '86, I realized that staying inside was slowly

tearing me to pieces and I had to get outside as much as possible.

I had an old camper, and I would just go out and sit in it and look

at the back of Dr Cheney's office, recover a bit, and then try to

survive the night inside.

Over the years, I just gradually kept pushing in the same

direction, better and more avoidance, more time outside, and the

more I controlled mold exposure, the better I got, and the more

amazed I was that no one wanted to hear about this weirdness.

Hemispherx rejected me because I was " Still ambulatory " .

The funded ampligen study was reserved only for those who couldn't

walk, so I wasn't in it, which turned out to be my lucky break.

People think that CFS is some kind of tiredness?

Look at how desperate we were: Hillary . Osler's Web.

http://www.cfs-news.org/amposler.htm#TOP

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> > Oh, anyone hear about the Air Sterilizer/Air Humidifier???

> Costs about the same as a plain humidifier.

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> I can so relate to all you suffering mcs'ers. I too am having a

bad time. Sometimes I can see the light, sometimes it's all so

dark. There's a song out called " move along. " Gotta remember it.

Felice

>

Felice,

I have been a member of this group for only 3 days, but your

question about humidifiers prompted me to jump into this discussion,

because I have just finished cleaning the VISIBLE mold off my 90

year old father's cold mist vaporizer, and I got a tiny mold

reaction as a result of my one hour effort with that tiny bit of

mold. He refuses to believe that the mold in his vaporizer has been

making him sick and refuses to buy a replacement vaporizer. I am a

life-long asthmatic (since age 9) who has had toxic mold reactions

since a massive mold exposure on a job I had seven years ago. I am

63 years old, and can tell the difference, from experience, between

an allergic/asthmatic reaction and a toxic mold reaction.

My point is that we all want to feel that we are in control of our

life decisions and our health decisions. In future postings, I will

relate my mold experiences during the last seven years. Suffice it

to say that our group members are NOT in control of anything, when

it comes to mold. We are totally controlled by what mold does to us.

We, especially those of us with a history of allergies and asthma

from other causes, will always, for the rest of our lives, get a

toxic reaction to mold, whenever we are exposed to it, in the

future, after we are finished with our initial exposure experiences.

Our immune system has learned, or is learning, that mold is trying

to kill us, and it will always produce negative body reactions when

mold is encountered in the future.

The first mold exposure is always the worst, with the most

suffering, for one simple reason ONLY. That reason is, that our

mind, and our self-image of ourself as a self-reliant person, will

not let us accept the simple truth that it " feels like we are dying "

because we ARE dying. In my first mold exposure experience, I

endured escalating mold toxicity symptoms for 30 days, trying

to " figure out " what was making me so sick. It wasn't until I took a

tour of the abandoned building in which my employer was the only

occupant,and saw the mold covering all the floors and walls of the

building I had been working in for 30 days, did my mind allow me to

accept the reality of what my immune system had known from the first

day that I started work. The " reality " was that the building was

killing me.

I was lucky. I survived my necessity to " understand " what was

happening to me, before taking the only action that would keep me

alive___LEAVE THE BUILDING! All my subsequent mold exposures (which

I will relate in future postings)have been to INVISIBLE mold. Look

around you, now. You don't see any VISIBLE mold-right? But your

immune system knows that mold is killing you. That why you are

feeling more and more sick every day. Please, stay alive,____LEAVE

THE BUILDING!

I am in total agreement with what said, in a previous

posting. " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive

correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the

building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one

week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The

longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery

period will be.

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" joseph salowitz " < wrote:

> I am in total agreement with what said, in a previous

> posting. " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive

> correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the

> building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one

> week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The

> longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery

> period will be.

>

After I left the ampligen program, it took me about six months of

acting like a total maniac about mold, detecting and avoiding on a

scale that I have never heard anyone else describe until Branislav.

Whether or not you improve after leaving a building all depends on

your " PIR " Personal Impact Rating.

If your PIR is beyond that which can be dealt with by just leaving a

sick building, it's time to move on to the next step - avoiding mold

whereever it is, which is much more difficult so most simply

cannot. Which causes Carl to assess people at PIR six, which is

equivalent to requiring a tent out in the desert because nothing

else seems to work...,

that is, unless you can detect mold and avoid it with sufficient

degree of refinement that you can successfully operate in-between

spore plumes, well inside contamination zones which would be

otherwise intolerable to you.

If I wasn't dodging mold plumes and decontaminating after passing

through, virtually the only places left that would be safe for me

would indeed be out in the woods or desert. But by getting these

spores off before the immune system has a chance to upregulate, I

can live in close proximity to mold plumes without fear.

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How do I compute my Personal Index? Jane Ann

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: " joseph

salowitz " < wrote:

> " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive

> correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the

> building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one

> week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The

> longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery

> period will be.

>

After I left the ampligen program, it took me about six months of

acting like a total maniac about mold, detecting and avoiding on a

scale that I have never heard anyone else describe until Branislav.

Whether or not you improve after leaving a building all depends on

your " PIR " Personal Impact Rating.

If your PIR is beyond that which can be dealt with by just leaving a

sick building, it's time to move on to the next step - avoiding mold

whereever it is, which is much more difficult so most simply

cannot. Which causes Carl to assess people at PIR six, which is

equivalent to requiring a tent out in the desert because nothing

else seems to work...,

that is, unless you can detect mold and avoid it with sufficient

degree of refinement that you can successfully operate in-between

spore plumes, well inside contamination zones which would be

otherwise intolerable to you.

If I wasn't dodging mold plumes and decontaminating after passing

through, virtually the only places left that would be safe for me

would indeed be out in the woods or desert. But by getting these

spores off before the immune system has a chance to upregulate, I

can live in close proximity to mold plumes without fear.

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jane mosher wrote:

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> How do I compute my Personal Index?

Jane Ann

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PIR, Personal Impact Rating, is a way that Carl Grimes developed to

objectively assess just how seriously a person is affected.

A lot of people claim that they are severely afflicted, even though

they haven't lost their jobs or crawled out to live in a tent (yet).

So you can compare a persons statements about what type of actions

they are forced to take - and put their level of affliction

or " Personal Impact " into an objective context.

This allows you to give advice based upon their individual

circumstances.

A PIR 3 or 4 is trying to " hang on " and considers it almost

unthinkable to abandon all their possessions.

A PIR 5 or 6 wouldn't think of doing anything else.

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