Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 , So do you mean, if you feel even the SLIGHTEST HIT, LEAVE???? If that's the case for me, i'd be in my backyard day and night. Tho, sometimes there are " spots " in my house i feel sort of ok. Tho I KNOW the must is everywhere, just in differing amounts. I've already left my job. How does one go to get food?? Oh, anyone hear about the Air Sterilizer/Air Humidifier??? Costs about the same as a plain humidifier. I can so relate to all you suffering mcs'ers. I too am having a bad time. Sometimes I can see the light, sometimes it's all so dark. There's a song out called " move along. " Gotta remember it. Felice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 felice <anupath14@...> wrote: > > , > So do you mean, if you feel even the SLIGHTEST HIT, LEAVE???? If that's the case for me, i'd be in my backyard day and night. Yes, that is what I was forced to do. This is a terrible illness. But nobody believed that there was ANY way out of it - at all, ever. Nothing that we knew of, nothing that we found. No doctors anywhere could do a thing. Yet by the fall of '86, I realized that staying inside was slowly tearing me to pieces and I had to get outside as much as possible. I had an old camper, and I would just go out and sit in it and look at the back of Dr Cheney's office, recover a bit, and then try to survive the night inside. Over the years, I just gradually kept pushing in the same direction, better and more avoidance, more time outside, and the more I controlled mold exposure, the better I got, and the more amazed I was that no one wanted to hear about this weirdness. Hemispherx rejected me because I was " Still ambulatory " . The funded ampligen study was reserved only for those who couldn't walk, so I wasn't in it, which turned out to be my lucky break. People think that CFS is some kind of tiredness? Look at how desperate we were: Hillary . Osler's Web. http://www.cfs-news.org/amposler.htm#TOP - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 > > , > > > Oh, anyone hear about the Air Sterilizer/Air Humidifier??? > Costs about the same as a plain humidifier. > > I can so relate to all you suffering mcs'ers. I too am having a bad time. Sometimes I can see the light, sometimes it's all so dark. There's a song out called " move along. " Gotta remember it. Felice > Felice, I have been a member of this group for only 3 days, but your question about humidifiers prompted me to jump into this discussion, because I have just finished cleaning the VISIBLE mold off my 90 year old father's cold mist vaporizer, and I got a tiny mold reaction as a result of my one hour effort with that tiny bit of mold. He refuses to believe that the mold in his vaporizer has been making him sick and refuses to buy a replacement vaporizer. I am a life-long asthmatic (since age 9) who has had toxic mold reactions since a massive mold exposure on a job I had seven years ago. I am 63 years old, and can tell the difference, from experience, between an allergic/asthmatic reaction and a toxic mold reaction. My point is that we all want to feel that we are in control of our life decisions and our health decisions. In future postings, I will relate my mold experiences during the last seven years. Suffice it to say that our group members are NOT in control of anything, when it comes to mold. We are totally controlled by what mold does to us. We, especially those of us with a history of allergies and asthma from other causes, will always, for the rest of our lives, get a toxic reaction to mold, whenever we are exposed to it, in the future, after we are finished with our initial exposure experiences. Our immune system has learned, or is learning, that mold is trying to kill us, and it will always produce negative body reactions when mold is encountered in the future. The first mold exposure is always the worst, with the most suffering, for one simple reason ONLY. That reason is, that our mind, and our self-image of ourself as a self-reliant person, will not let us accept the simple truth that it " feels like we are dying " because we ARE dying. In my first mold exposure experience, I endured escalating mold toxicity symptoms for 30 days, trying to " figure out " what was making me so sick. It wasn't until I took a tour of the abandoned building in which my employer was the only occupant,and saw the mold covering all the floors and walls of the building I had been working in for 30 days, did my mind allow me to accept the reality of what my immune system had known from the first day that I started work. The " reality " was that the building was killing me. I was lucky. I survived my necessity to " understand " what was happening to me, before taking the only action that would keep me alive___LEAVE THE BUILDING! All my subsequent mold exposures (which I will relate in future postings)have been to INVISIBLE mold. Look around you, now. You don't see any VISIBLE mold-right? But your immune system knows that mold is killing you. That why you are feeling more and more sick every day. Please, stay alive,____LEAVE THE BUILDING! I am in total agreement with what said, in a previous posting. " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery period will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 " joseph salowitz " < wrote: > I am in total agreement with what said, in a previous > posting. " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive > correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the > building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one > week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The > longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery > period will be. > After I left the ampligen program, it took me about six months of acting like a total maniac about mold, detecting and avoiding on a scale that I have never heard anyone else describe until Branislav. Whether or not you improve after leaving a building all depends on your " PIR " Personal Impact Rating. If your PIR is beyond that which can be dealt with by just leaving a sick building, it's time to move on to the next step - avoiding mold whereever it is, which is much more difficult so most simply cannot. Which causes Carl to assess people at PIR six, which is equivalent to requiring a tent out in the desert because nothing else seems to work..., that is, unless you can detect mold and avoid it with sufficient degree of refinement that you can successfully operate in-between spore plumes, well inside contamination zones which would be otherwise intolerable to you. If I wasn't dodging mold plumes and decontaminating after passing through, virtually the only places left that would be safe for me would indeed be out in the woods or desert. But by getting these spores off before the immune system has a chance to upregulate, I can live in close proximity to mold plumes without fear. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 How do I compute my Personal Index? Jane Ann erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: " joseph salowitz " < wrote: > " [Our illness shows] a demonstration of positive > correlation of illness to decreased biotoxin exposure. " Leave the > building and you will regain your health. It takes me between one > week to three weeks to regain my health, after a mold exposure. The > longer the time period of mold exposure, the longer the recovery > period will be. > After I left the ampligen program, it took me about six months of acting like a total maniac about mold, detecting and avoiding on a scale that I have never heard anyone else describe until Branislav. Whether or not you improve after leaving a building all depends on your " PIR " Personal Impact Rating. If your PIR is beyond that which can be dealt with by just leaving a sick building, it's time to move on to the next step - avoiding mold whereever it is, which is much more difficult so most simply cannot. Which causes Carl to assess people at PIR six, which is equivalent to requiring a tent out in the desert because nothing else seems to work..., that is, unless you can detect mold and avoid it with sufficient degree of refinement that you can successfully operate in-between spore plumes, well inside contamination zones which would be otherwise intolerable to you. If I wasn't dodging mold plumes and decontaminating after passing through, virtually the only places left that would be safe for me would indeed be out in the woods or desert. But by getting these spores off before the immune system has a chance to upregulate, I can live in close proximity to mold plumes without fear. - --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 jane mosher wrote: > > How do I compute my Personal Index? Jane Ann > PIR, Personal Impact Rating, is a way that Carl Grimes developed to objectively assess just how seriously a person is affected. A lot of people claim that they are severely afflicted, even though they haven't lost their jobs or crawled out to live in a tent (yet). So you can compare a persons statements about what type of actions they are forced to take - and put their level of affliction or " Personal Impact " into an objective context. This allows you to give advice based upon their individual circumstances. A PIR 3 or 4 is trying to " hang on " and considers it almost unthinkable to abandon all their possessions. A PIR 5 or 6 wouldn't think of doing anything else. - /message/35282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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