Re: Is an air purifier INEFFECTIVE against carpet off-gass??? If so,........

[Guest guest]

Steve,

The carpet may just be too moldy or toxic. Also

even though $200 sounds like alot, I doubt it

would do more than one small room. Unfortunately

the most effective ones are usually more

expensive but cost is not the determing factor.

However it couldn't have the filter quantity and

quality to do much. I paid 800.00 for mine and

it really only does a couple of rooms well, maybe

three if conditions weren't very bad but with bad

conditions even a very good air filter would not

be enough. Air purifiers are good for keeping

room from getting contaminated from slightly bad

air, but not from decontaminating a very toxic

environment. The problem is too big for all of

us. I'm totally burnt out and bleeding money.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> WHY??????? The fumes are all over...there is NO

> safe room in

> house

[Guest guest]

First things first:

2. go out for 2 weeks and offgss the capet: crank up the heat windows

closed for 2 days, somone ELSE not you goes in airs it out....clean carpet

with vinegar/water....let dry throw down arm/hammer baking soda

3. crank up the heat windows closed repeat steps 1-3 for 2 weeks

by that time MOST of it will have dissipated....

spray carpet with liquid zeolite let sit for 24 hours...then put down

zeolite carpet fresh....2 days

crsnk uo the heat....clean carpet now with zeloite liquid

then use afm carpet sealant thst shoul make it bearable.

thsts how i did my apartment years ago

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, shybasset wrote:

> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:05:35 -0000

> From: shybasset <shybasset@...>

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> Subject: [] Is an air purifier INEFFECTIVE against carpet

> off-gass??? If so,........

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> WHY??????? The fumes are all over...there is NO safe room in

> house.....this is too BIG for me...can't deal with

> it...depressed....even next week will get on 2 YEAR waiting list for a

> buy-in retirement home.....even that home may have a bad apt with

> FUMES in it!!! The MCS came at me 2 weeks ago and intensifies each

> day!!! with MANY different odors,,,,not just carpet Junk!tHERE is NO

> safe place anywhere....and now I'm paronoid....it has affected my

> friends, and al;l my lifestyle....hurting as bad mentally as

> physically....HOW will covering carpet with Dennyfoli STOP the

> fumes....what do I do when I put house up for sale....leave the foil

> on carpet???? Strange looks...wont sell....very confused....Steve

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[Guest guest]

GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In 30 days your symptoms will disappear, or lessen enough, to allow

you

to make long-term plans. Once you are OUT, OUT, OUT, don't return

even

for 5 minutes to pick anything up, or your immune system will react

again, as if you had never left the house. This illness of ours

destroys our ability to think clearly. So, don't try to " think about

it " , just get the H--L out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@...>

wrote:

>

> WHY??????? The fumes are all over...there is NO safe room in

> house.....this is too BIG for me...can't deal with

> it...depressed....even next week will get on 2 YEAR waiting list

for

a

> buy-in retirement home.....even that home may have a bad apt with

> FUMES in it!!! The MCS came at me 2 weeks ago and intensifies each

> day!!! with MANY different odors,,,,not just carpet Junk!tHERE is

NO

> safe place anywhere....and now I'm paronoid....it has affected my

> friends, and al;l my lifestyle....hurting as bad mentally as

> physically....HOW will covering carpet with Dennyfoli STOP the

> fumes....what do I do when I put house up for sale....leave the

foil

> on carpet???? Strange looks...wont sell....very confused....Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Getting out is top priority for sure. Not

knowing where to go yet, he is trying to ALSO

consider whether it is something he could 'fix'

quickly, like covering or removing carpet. I

think it is worth the try to cover carpet with

the pro-tec May referred to or the

Dennyfoil. At least what little time you may

need to be there, you would be better off. It

may help you to know whether problem in

contaminated carpet. If it is, you could have it

removed (by someone other than yourself). I ran

to nice expensive entended stay TYPE of hotel,

like Extended Stay named hotel, and am now in

tiny room with moldy a/c unit and I only feel

okay here when I can open the windows. This has

cost me 44.00 a day for two months, so a couple

thousand dollars to learn all about hotels and

their window a/c problems, and I do not feel

better here. However I only have ten more days

on rate I got here.

--- joseph salowitz <josephsalowitz@...>

wrote:

> GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

There are different schools of thought on whether

reexposure is good or bad. Some believe that

contant with that which made you ill keeps your

immune system primed against that agent and helps

to heal faster. They believe that if you totally

leave and stay away from that agent for long

period, THEN you develop intolerance to it and

can NEVER be around it again, perhaps leading one

to need to live life as does it. However

noone knows for sure as there are no studies done

on this yet. I'm sure there will be. I used to

be home 4 days a week 24 hours a day, with only a

couple hours away here and there for errands, so

maybe home 20-22 hours every day on non working

days, now it is opposite. I'm away 22-23 hours a

day and home about an hour, or two if meeting

someone there about work on house, so that has to

make a HUGE difference.

--- joseph salowitz <josephsalowitz@...>

wrote:

> GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Once you are OUT, OUT,

> OUT, don't return

> even

> for 5 minutes to pick anything up, or your

> immune system will react

> again, as if you had never left the house.

[Guest guest]

I am 63 years old. I have had allergic asthma for 54 of those 63

years. I have also had many different toxic mold reactions for the

last 7 years. I'm having one right now, as I write this warning.

Toxic mold reaction is NOT an allergy, nor is it asthma. It may help

exacerbate co-existing allergies and asthma, but it's a whole

different illness.

I had allergy desensitizing shots, in my youth, for a 20 year

period. They did not help me. They only made me sicker. After much

medical research, I discovered that desensitizing shots only help

one third of recipients. Even that, in my opinion, is an overly

generous estimate. There is a great deal of information known about

the function of the immune system in allergy and asthma. There is

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING known about how the immune system is involved

with toxic mold reaction.

My many recurring toxic mold reactions have taught me, that, as time

goes by, I am made sick by ever smaller and smaller exposures to

mold. Recently, I was even made sick by cleaning the mold off a cold-

air mist vaporizer that my father kept on, at night, by his bedside,

to " HELP HIS BREATHING " . Only when I saw that his breathing was

getting worse, rather than better, did I examine the vaporizer for

mold. Remember! Where there is water, there will always be mold.

The bottom line is that no one should equate the theory of

desensitizing against allergy and asthma,by " priming " your immune

system with ever increasing doses of the agent that made you sick,

with the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that continued exposure to toxic mold

will " prime " you for your premature funeral.

If you are lucky enough, as I was, to live through your initial

toxic mold experience, you will discover, as I discovered, that

future mold reaction experiences will be triggered by ever

decreasing quantities of mold. This is my answer to the statement

previously posted [below].

> Some believe that contact with that which made you ill keeps your

> immune system primed against that agent and helps

> to heal faster.

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with what you have written, I am 56, have had

repeated exposures for 15 years, have tried allergy shots that made

me sick, and have increasing sensitisation

>

> I am 63 years old. I have had allergic asthma for 54 of those 63

> years. I have also had many different toxic mold reactions for the

> last 7 years. I'm having one right now, as I write this warning.

> Toxic mold reaction is NOT an allergy, nor is it asthma. It may

help

> exacerbate co-existing allergies and asthma, but it's a whole

> different illness.

>

> I had allergy desensitizing shots, in my youth, for a 20 year

> period. They did not help me. They only made me sicker. After much

> medical research, I discovered that desensitizing shots only help

> one third of recipients. Even that, in my opinion, is an overly

> generous estimate. There is a great deal of information known

about

> the function of the immune system in allergy and asthma. There is

> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING known about how the immune system is involved

> with toxic mold reaction.

>

> My many recurring toxic mold reactions have taught me, that, as

time

> goes by, I am made sick by ever smaller and smaller exposures to

> mold. Recently, I was even made sick by cleaning the mold off a

cold-

> air mist vaporizer that my father kept on, at night, by his

bedside,

> to " HELP HIS BREATHING " . Only when I saw that his breathing was

> getting worse, rather than better, did I examine the vaporizer for

> mold. Remember! Where there is water, there will always be mold.

>

> The bottom line is that no one should equate the theory of

> desensitizing against allergy and asthma,by " priming " your immune

> system with ever increasing doses of the agent that made you sick,

> with the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that continued exposure to toxic mold

> will " prime " you for your premature funeral.

>

> If you are lucky enough, as I was, to live through your initial

> toxic mold experience, you will discover, as I discovered, that

> future mold reaction experiences will be triggered by ever

> decreasing quantities of mold. This is my answer to the statement

> previously posted [below].

>

>

> > Some believe that contact with that which made you ill keeps your

> > immune system primed against that agent and helps

> > to heal faster.

>