Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 I tried an air cleaner with an ionizer and it affected my chest like ozone did. Mine are plain hepa filter Quote
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 maribob7 and others, If you try this product I'd be very interested in knowing your experience, esp the successes. BTW, there's an interesting animation involving a strawberry at several Web sites including: http://www.best-vacuum.com/airfree-p2000.html The technology and concept of heating air beyond the combustion point of micro-organisms and other particles may be valid. I like the idea that it doesn't just kill mold but by " burning " it the mold is denatured (no longer mold so it isn't allergenic) and the mycotoxins are destroyed. I also like, and believe, their claims of no ozone, no UV, no ions and that it actually reduces ozone in the air. They hit all their " marks " concerning current issues with air purifiers. (All but one, that pesky CADR). However, because there is no filter the combustion particles, which will be much smaller than the originals, are released back into the air. Ultra fine particles are coming under increasing scrutiny by researchers. Red flags are further raised, high in the air, with some of their claims and the way they are worded. E.g. it has a blue light you can turn on and off with a dimmer. They call it an " anti-stress light. " They claim it is the most tested purifier by independant labs. They cite general claims and refer to international standards but I can find NO actual reports from any labs. Only claims. My final question addresses your statement that you might try it in the bathroom. That would probably be the most appropriate location because of room size. They claim effectiveness of 500 sq ft but I think 50-80 may be the maximum. This would put the CADR at an estimated 20-30 range like most other units that don't have a fan to force air through it. (You can buy other types with a CADR of at least 100 for under $100. Airfree costs about $200-$250). Why the small room? There is no fan, the unit is small, and the heating chamber is tiny. It relies on convection to slowly move air through it because if it goes faster it won't be heated enough to incinerate the particles. What radius around that device do you think will be improved? A clue is their (fine print) statement that it may take 20-30 days for " full effect " in a 500 sq ft room. I might agree as long as the room is undisturbed by people and no air movement takes place. If people aren't in it there is no need for the purifier. This looks like a Porsche but under close examination it seems more like a Matchbox Car. However, it just might work in a small place like your bathroom and I'd be interested in any reports, especially if it is successful. I can think of a closet or two that could use it. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I am considering on getting for just our bathroom an Airfree > Sterilizer. I understand the minuses that are listed about this > product, but I thought it would be ideal for our main bathroom. > > http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/compare-air.html?psysVid=0aqzrxv9 > > http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping.com/af-ap-airfree-air- > purifiers.html?psysVid=0aqzxqim > > Does anyone have experience with this? I am also thinking about > getting an IQ Air for our home, but the Airistar the KC mentions seems > worth looking into also. I have been fighting neurotoxins and lyme > disease and am thus very sensitive to air pollutants. Thanks. V > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 I saw a segment on " Today Show " and testor found less microbes in bathroom than in kitchen and office areas. If you have a ventilation fan, that should keep humidity down with showering and if there is a plumbing problem, you would need to fix that, no carpet or fabric drapery generally so where would air problem be in bathroom? Air tests in my home found the least problems in all areas that had hard surfaces. Main bathroom was the best room tested, garage was second best. If you have an air cleaner or good filter on your whole house line, everything stays cleaner including bathroom and kitchen areas. --- maribob7 <rvogenberger@...> wrote: > I am considering on getting for just our > bathroom an Airfree > Sterilizer. I understand the minuses that are > listed about this > product, but I thought it would be ideal for > our main bathroom. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Kitchen would be better room for sanitizer if it works since you bring a lot of germs into kitchen on food, fresh produce and meat and keeping kitchen areas clean is harder than keeping bathroom clean. > > I saw a segment on " Today Show " and testor found > less microbes in bathroom than in kitchen and > office areas. If you have a ventilation fan, > that should keep humidity Quote
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Thanks Carl and others for your analysis and input...very, very much appreciated. Believe me I am not just saying that. The problem I have with my shower is that it is huge and L shapped, and gets absolutely no air circulating in it. Compounded is the fact (I hope I don't gross too many out), that we have trained our little Yorkie to go potty in this walk-in shower (on what are called puddle pads). Often times he misses and even when he doesn't I do spray the area with non- toxic spray and shower it out with a hand held that I have. We live in a relatively new condo on a higher floor. We do have a ventilation fan, but to keep all the dampness out, it would almost have to be running all the time, due to constantly showering down the shower. When I saw this sanitizer, I thought maybe this would help the situation, as this shower does have a tendancy to mold, which I have been able to keep under control, although it does take more effort than usual. BTW what do you mean by " Ultra fine particles are coming under increasing scrutiny by researchers. " ? Are you refering to lung problems? If that is the case I would be very skeptical to use this unit, and will look into another option. I am just looking for something small that would help take care of just this bathroom. I would appreciate any suggestions along this line. As I mentioned before, I am considering an IQAir for our condo also. BTW, that was an interesting deal with the strawberry!!! I have another question which I will ask with another post. Thanks. V --- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: > > maribob7 and others, > > If you try this product I'd be very interested in knowing your > experience, esp the successes. BTW, there's an interesting animation > involving a strawberry at several Web sites including: > http://www.best-vacuum.com/airfree-p2000.html > > It relies on convection to slowly move air > through it because if it goes faster it won't be heated enough to > incinerate the particles. > Quote
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