Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 What I am interested in and am asking about are the Air-O-Cell cassettes. I was hoping that those on this list that are familiar with this form of air sampling might respond. Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME In a message dated 10/23/2006 10:05:53 PM Central Standard Time, barb1283@... writes: Look what useless test toxic mold lab is trying to sell after knocking Pro Lab because " there is mold everywhere " : <_http://www.toxicmolhttp://wwhttp://w_ (http://www.toxicmoldlab.com/KIT1.htm) > For 12.00 you can get a stick that will change color if there are protein substances found on surface which AMY indicate mold instead of the $10 Pro Lab dish that will not only tell you it is mold but that it is viable since it will grow, for $2.00 less. Both methods require further analysis to identify. > > _http://www.toxicmolhttp://wwhttp://www._ (http://www.toxicmoldlab.com/WARNING.htm) > > problems useing petri dishes > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 , Thank you for your persistence in addressing your question. Air-O-Cell cassettes are made by Zefon www.zefon.com. Allergenco has a similar product and there are a couple of others. Also check out the new Web site by Ian Cull at http://www.iaqcomparisons.com/ for a review by an expert on this and other products. Cassettes are well known, widely used, and respected by professionals. They may well be the dominant method of collection. Like all other tools they have their strengths and weaknesses, will reveal only part of the whole picture regarding mold and must be used properly. Some characteristics with a reminder that there are many pitfalls with mold sampling and analysis. 1. Airborne only, not surface. Sampled during quiet or disturbed air makes a difference. Airborne mold is lumpy, not uniform. 2. All spores (viable and non-viable) can be detected rather than just the ones that will grow as with cultuure plates. Often called " Total spore count " but that is more a potential than a reality. Can sometimes identify fragments which some believe are more important than spores. 3. Cannot tell difference between Penicillium and Aspergillus which is why the result is labeled Pen/Asp or Pen/Asp-like. Other small spores may be mistaken for Pen/Asp also. Or they are mistaken for other types of particles. Needs a really good mycologist to read the slide somewhat accurately. 4. Level and type of other particles in the air can block the view of some of the spores. The debris rating must also be considered as it can affect potential results by as much as 80%. 5. Air flow rate of 15 lpm is critical. Too fast or too slow changes the size of particle that is captured. 6. Turn-around by the lab is a couple of days rather than 7-10 for cultures. Can be expedited for 24 hr turn or less. 7. However, QLab is presenting at IAQA this week in Nashville a 24 hour turn time for viable spores. This is new and revolutionary and many of us can't wait to see what Dr Tang has to show us. 8. Stachybotrys is usually more easily identified with cassettes analyzed by microscopy rather than by culturing, although the labs are going a much better job by using different media, etc. with cultures. 9. Stachybotrys, however, can be present and emitting molecular or non-spore components that will never be seen by a spore-based method of analysis, whether from air or surfaces. These are just some of the factors concerning cassette capturing with analysis by microscope. My biggest concern with the home kits is the lab used for analysis. The cheap, cut-rate labs will be the least likely to have experienced mycologists looking through the microscope. Even the excellent labs can have problems getting enough highly trained mycologists to accurately analyze a large number of samples in a short time. These labs receive thousand of samples every day. And mycologists are more critical to accuracy with microscopy of cassettes than for culturing because of the reduced information available from a spore rather than vegetative growth from controlled environmental conditions. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > What I am interested in and am asking about are the Air-O-Cell > cassettes. I was hoping that those on this list that are familiar > with this form of air sampling might respond. Bobbins, RN, > L.Ac, QME > > In a message dated 10/23/2006 10:05:53 PM Central Standard Time, > barb1283@... writes: > > Look what useless test toxic mold lab is trying to sell after > knocking Pro Lab because " there is mold everywhere " : > > <_http://www.toxicmolhttp://wwhttp://w_ > (http://www.toxicmoldlab.com/KIT1.htm) > > > For 12.00 you can get a stick that will change color if there are > protein substances found on surface which AMY indicate mold instead > of the $10 Pro Lab dish that will not only tell you it is mold but > that it is viable since it will grow, for $2.00 less. Both methods > require further analysis to identify. > > > > _http://www.toxicmolhttp://wwhttp://www._ > (http://www.toxicmoldlab.com/WARNING.htm) > > problems useing petri > dishes > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Carl, Thank you for your very informative response. I am so appreciative of your help with this. I agree with you that testing has its limitations. Air sampling by professionals in my last 3 dwellings did help guide me in making certain decisions. I think for my particular situation, learning to use these cassettes for myself is the best way to go. This is something that I knew sooner or later I would need to do and hoped that it would be later or not at all. And yes, from everything I know in microscopic evaluation, it is the quality of the lab used that will help to determine the accuracy of the slide. If I purchase the cassettes from Zefon, do you know where I could purchase the pump? Do you think that I would be able to figure out how to calibrate this on my own? I am looking into a course I could take that would help with this. I am going to run a search of this for Los Angeles and the cost, however, I need to move quickly. With gratitude, Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME In a message dated 10/24/2006 12:00:47 PM Central Standard Time, grimes@... writes: , Air-O-Cell cassettes are made by Zefon www.zefon.com. Allergenco has a similar product and there are a couple of others. Also check out the new Web site by Ian Cull at _http://www.iaqcompahttp://www._ (http://www.iaqcomparisons.com/) for a review by an expert on this and other products. Quote
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