Re: Neurotoxins-Treatment Information Sheet by Teitelbaum M.D.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this article . I wondered why

noone mentioned Teidelbaum on this site. He

treats people for fungal infections for CFS,

however he is extremely expensive but has alot of

info on his site and you can do an online test

and that gives you a suggested protocol. Kind of

interesting. My dentist who is head and neck

pain specialist also told me about him before I

joined this group. Actually that is where I

first read about possible connection between CFS

and fungal infection.

--- erikmoldwarrior

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> Neurotoxins-Treatment Information Sheet

> by Teitelbaum M.D.

>

> www.Vitality101.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tazin Round wrote:

>

> ,

> I sure wish I would have seen this extensive explanation on the

CSM treatment before. When it was prescribed to me by the doctor in

Atlanta none of this was explained. In fact the way I was told to

take it was starting with one scoop a day and try to get to 3 scoops

a day. With those instructions I took it very slow because it

sounded like it was risky to either go fast or to take that much.

> By reading this information it would fully explain why I did not

benefit from the treatment at all or very little if I did. I should

be going to See Dr. Shoemaker very soon and now that I see this it

gives me that much belief that there is hope.

> I really appreciate you posting this. I think this should be

sent to each new person to the group because even though I have

learned allot here this page kind of sums up everything I have

learned about the treatment protocol.

> This was a great post , Thanks

> Chris...

> P.S. I thought this was interesting.. Spell checker

suggested " accumulator " for erikmoldwarrior "

>

" Accumulator " ? Sounds like a perfect term for someone like myself

who collects lots of useless trivia.

Some people think that because I'm not doing CSM, this means I'm

not in concert with Dr Shoemakers concepts.

But the CSM can only scrub toxins " after the fact " ... after they've

already gone through your body and done their damage and are

processed through the " anion organic transport system " into the

intestines.

CSM lowers the load of total burden and heads off a damaging immune

over-response, but it doesn't stop the toxins from getting into your

system.

I just put all my efforts into a strategy of " pre-emptive "

avoidance so I wouldn't have to take CSM.

Despite the difficulty involved, I did this at a time when the best

doctors in the world had given up on me - and the results were

spectacular.

As I said to them at the time, " I may not have all the answers,

but I've got one HELL of a clue " .

-

[Guest guest]

In my experience, what works best is to try to take the cholestyramine

on a completely empty stomach, wait an hour or so, and then, eat

something with a fair amount of fat in it to stimulate bile

production. If you are taking cholestyramine, you should also try to

get fiber.. to prevent constipation..

[Guest guest]

Honestly I can't say I disagree with you in your aproach. I tried it, allthough

clearly not the way I was supposed to but did not achieve the expected results

so until I see Dr. Shoemaker I have refrained in an expensivre round of

medications that I don't even have clear instructions on thier use. When I get

instructions from the source I will then try anything as I don't feel I have any

other option at this point anyway.

Thanks,

Chris...

P.S. No trivia is useless in my opinion... Spell check has decided not to work

so sorry for any miss spelling.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

Tazin Round wrote:

>

> ,

> I sure wish I would have seen this extensive explanation on the

CSM treatment before. When it was prescribed to me by the doctor in

Atlanta none of this was explained. In fact the way I was told to

take it was starting with one scoop a day and try to get to 3 scoops

a day. With those instructions I took it very slow because it

sounded like it was risky to either go fast or to take that much.

> By reading this information it would fully explain why I did not

benefit from the treatment at all or very little if I did. I should

be going to See Dr. Shoemaker very soon and now that I see this it

gives me that much belief that there is hope.

> I really appreciate you posting this. I think this should be

sent to each new person to the group because even though I have

learned allot here this page kind of sums up everything I have

learned about the treatment protocol.

> This was a great post , Thanks

> Chris...

> P.S. I thought this was interesting.. Spell checker

suggested " accumulator " for erikmoldwarrior "

>

" Accumulator " ? Sounds like a perfect term for someone like myself

who collects lots of useless trivia.

Some people think that because I'm not doing CSM, this means I'm

not in concert with Dr Shoemakers concepts.

But the CSM can only scrub toxins " after the fact " ... after they've

already gone through your body and done their damage and are

processed through the " anion organic transport system " into the

intestines.

CSM lowers the load of total burden and heads off a damaging immune

over-response, but it doesn't stop the toxins from getting into your

system.

I just put all my efforts into a strategy of " pre-emptive "

avoidance so I wouldn't have to take CSM.

Despite the difficulty involved, I did this at a time when the best

doctors in the world had given up on me - and the results were

spectacular.

As I said to them at the time, " I may not have all the answers,

but I've got one HELL of a clue " .

-

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[Guest guest]

Tazin Round <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

>

> Honestly I can't say I disagree with you in your aproach. I tried

it, allthough clearly not the way I was supposed to but did not

achieve the expected results so until I see Dr. Shoemaker I have

refrained in an expensivre round of medications that I don't even

have clear instructions on thier use. When I get instructions from

the source I will then try anything as I don't feel I have any other

option at this point anyway.

> Thanks,

> Chris...

What approach was it that you tried?

I'm only doing extreme avoidance.

Relying on CSM doesn't work if a person is still enduring exposures

that exceed CSM's ability to aid in detoxification.

It doesn't prevent the mess, it only mops it up.

The only way that CSM really protects against biotoxin illness is

by scrubbing toxins that have already passed through. If CSM doesn't

help, perhaps it may be that it would have - except that the toxin

exposure is still ongoing, and is just too high.

CSM " not helping " shouldn't necessarily be seen as a failure of CSM.

Since CSM does do what it is supposed to, the fact that CSM didn't

perform as expected is a clue that perhaps the " barrel " is still

filling up faster than the CSM can sop it out.

Regarding VCS. I've heard rumors that people who have been slammed

down to a very low point and then have a slight recovery can

sometimes pass the VCS. As Dr Shoemaker says, a sick person might

pass, but a healthy one wouldn't fail.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I said I tried this, I meant I was taking CSM for awhile. I am certain it

works like it is suppose to so in saying that it could be that " the gun is still

loaded " or at the very least I know that according to your original post I was

not told the correct way to take it and that is why I believe I did not reach

the results I was hoping for. I do know it was helping but now I know that if I

had been taking it based on your post it would have worked much better. Now that

I am so close to seeing Dr. Shoemaker I will wait and start from the beginning

under his care. I believe this will make all the difference. I don't expect to

be " cured " but even a small amount of relief will be a god send.

Chris...

accumulator <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

Tazin Round <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

>

> Honestly I can't say I disagree with you in your aproach. I tried

it, allthough clearly not the way I was supposed to but did not

achieve the expected results so until I see Dr. Shoemaker I have

refrained in an expensivre round of medications that I don't even

have clear instructions on thier use. When I get instructions from

the source I will then try anything as I don't feel I have any other

option at this point anyway.

> Thanks,

> Chris...

What approach was it that you tried?

I'm only doing extreme avoidance.

Relying on CSM doesn't work if a person is still enduring exposures

that exceed CSM's ability to aid in detoxification.

It doesn't prevent the mess, it only mops it up.

The only way that CSM really protects against biotoxin illness is

by scrubbing toxins that have already passed through. If CSM doesn't

help, perhaps it may be that it would have - except that the toxin

exposure is still ongoing, and is just too high.

CSM " not helping " shouldn't necessarily be seen as a failure of CSM.

Since CSM does do what it is supposed to, the fact that CSM didn't

perform as expected is a clue that perhaps the " barrel " is still

filling up faster than the CSM can sop it out.

Regarding VCS. I've heard rumors that people who have been slammed

down to a very low point and then have a slight recovery can

sometimes pass the VCS. As Dr Shoemaker says, a sick person might

pass, but a healthy one wouldn't fail.

-

Life is a balance of holding on and letting go...

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