Re: No lazy, hazy summer /Weird crazy mammo technician

[Guest guest]

I thought 'mold allergies' was something every

allergist tested for. My very traditional

allergist tested me for mold allergies. No

wonder I can't find an outdoor mold count

anywhere....It's like things are getting worse as

far as recognition is concerned....or are they

running scared now?

The medical establishment are getting down right

'scary'!!!

Story:

I get thermoscans for breast lumps instead of

mammograms. No radiation, no pressure, which I

think can cause tissue damage that can then lead

to cancer. Thermoscan detected lump in left

breast, so doctor sent me to a Breast Surgery

Group which does ultrasounds and consults. I was

scared because I figured surgeons would want to

do surgery but finally I went. They do

ultrasounds there and also mammograms but were

willing to work with my doctor who does

thermograms. I was waiting for my ultrasound

when woman came in from radiology and said that

thermograms were not recognised by FDA (thank

goodness. I'm afraid of them too), and that I

need to have a mammogram done. (Anyway, doesn't

a doctor 'prescribe' a mammogram, rather than a

technician run after you offering it?) I thanked

her for information but said I preferred the

thermogram and declined the offer. I had my

ultrasound and then she came back in as I was

about to leave and into room and stood between me

and the door and went into her dialogue again

about how unsafe it was for me to not get a

mammogram. I said I would accept risk and didn't

want one. She said, " I really think you should

have one and would like to give you one now

before you leave. "

EEK!!!!!!!!! I wish I had a cellphone, I would

have called 911 because she was spooking me out.

Outcome of ultrasound was that I still had lump

but that it was smaller than it was 2 years

before so doctor was happy with direction of lump

and I checked out, but isn't that the weirdess

thing. I thought she wasn't going to let me out

of there without a mammogram, that perhaps

several people would come in and tie me down or

something. Weird. All I could think of is they

have that expensive equipment and they want to

use it, or she paid for her expensive training

and she doesn't like the idea people may not want

them anymore. I really couldn't figure out why

she was so interested or pushy, but it REALLY

freaked me out. I felt like I was dreaming and

it was one of those weird dreams that you wake up

sweating and panicky!

--- tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

> Even doctors of environmental medicine are

> being investigated for

> suggesting that a patient is suffering from

> mold allergies.

>

[Guest guest]

BBW,

I have had breast cancer, so these are my (unsolicited) thoughts based on having

had it. I do think radiation can cause breast cancer at certain dosages. I

didn't have any mammograms before I got breast cancer, though, and I don't think

radiation causes breast cancer for everyone, and honestly out of all exams you

can have, mammograms are pretty low (lower than chest x-rays, lower than much

background radiation including long computer time). It's all a risk/benefit

ratio.

But I think if you don't want a mammogram you don't have to get one, and it

sounds like this technician wa pretty out of hand. They can't force you to get

an exam you don't want. But maybe she has seen some cases, as have I, where

people did not get mammograms and died, often at very young ages, of breast

cancer.

However, if you have a palpable lump, an ultrasound is good to go with. And why

not get a biopsy?? It's the only thing that can test for cancer for sure

anyway. My lump was not visible on mammo, only ultrasound. It was very

aggressive and if I didn't have it removed I believe I would be dead today.

Any info you have on the thermoscan appreciated -- you can send it off list if

you don't want it on this list.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Lori,

Just a old email I'm adding some comments to: a

high percentage of people that get biospy even if

found benign go on to have breast cancer. Many

believe when small they don't even get the

correct tissue when biopsing. I did have biopsy

and will never do it again. I had my doubts

going in but I was really rushed by everyone.

Technician, who was doctor, kept taking tissue

but said wasn't sure she was hitting it, it was

so small, hard to see. No negative reading may

mean nothing. On other hand a tumor is your

body's way of separating something dangerous in

your body from spreading, so biopsies are highly

suspect of spreading cancer that could have been

kept confined until body was able to destroy it.

On another topic, I forgot to mention that you

can direct order ProLab test kits from the

company by just calling tollfree number that

comes in package, instead of keep looking for

them at Home Depot. I find they usually only have

a couple or are out of them. I've done this

before but forgot to mention.

I haven't been reading in group lately as I'm

busy with something else but wanted to mention

the alternative ways to get Home Depot plates and

picked out this old email to use to respond.

I hope your move is coming along okay.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> BBW,

>

> I have had breast cancer, so these are my

> (unsolicited) thoughts based on having had it.

> I do think radiation can cause breast cancer at

> certain dosages. I didn't have any mammograms

> before I got breast cancer, though, and I don't

> think radiation causes breast cancer for

> everyone, and honestly out of all exams you can

> have, mammograms are pretty low (lower than

> chest x-rays, lower than much background

> radiation including long computer time). It's

> all a risk/benefit ratio.

>

> But I think if you don't want a mammogram you

> don't have to get one, and it sounds like this

> technician wa pretty out of hand. They can't

> force you to get an exam you don't want. But

> maybe she has seen some cases, as have I, where

> people did not get mammograms and died, often

> at very young ages, of breast cancer.

>

> However, if you have a palpable lump, an

> ultrasound is good to go with. And why not get

> a biopsy?? It's the only thing that can test

> for cancer for sure anyway. My lump was not

> visible on mammo, only ultrasound. It was very

> aggressive and if I didn't have it removed I

> believe I would be dead today.

>

> Any info you have on the thermoscan appreciated

> -- you can send it off list if you don't want

> it on this list.

>

> Lori

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi BBW,

Thanks for this info. Yes, there is evidence that needle core biopsies in

particular may spread cancer. I don't think they cause cancer, my guess is that

you are right, they don't get the correct tissue when small, and an extraction

should be done if it's a very suspicious lump. Biopsies are unfortunately the

only way to confirm cancer for sure. I've just seen way too many young women

die of breast cancer that did NOT get biopsied or checked in time in some other

way. But you are right, I do think biopsies do spread cancer. I only had one

biopsy on the cancer and it was positive right off the bat and I do think it

broke up the tissue and caused it to start spreading, but luckily by the time of

surgery it had only started to spread and there was one tiny cell that could be

found beyond the breast.

I did find where you can order the Pro-Lab kits, that is very good info to have.

I am hoping we are done with them for now but it is always good to know and tell

others. I think they are cheaper some places online, too.

We haven't been able to start moving yet, but we should be able to start in

about a week from now. I have been feeling better since we stopped using our

air conditioner, and we took it out last night. We are going to throw out our

sofa and it will be a while before we can get another one, but it is right by

the air conditioner so I think it has to go. As a matter of fact I was feeling

much better and then accidentally fell asleep on it today and now I feel worse

again, so I think that's it for the sofa and certainly for me sitting on it.

Thanks

Lori