Re: Re: 20 Box Fans /LIVE SIMPLY

[Guest guest]

It doesn't cause fans to overheat? I wonder if

you can cover back with activitated charcoal

filters. I'm more afraid of toxins. I catch

mold spores in both my cold air returns have MERV

11 filter fabric covering them, so mold spores

sould be cleaned out of air before being pulled

into air handling system. Be sure house has been

dusted very well, or turning fans on could at

least temporarily airosolize everything that has

settled and make it more likely you will breath

in it before you could easily pick it up with a

dust rag like GrabIts. So before you turn on

fan, make sure house is dust free as possible and

perhaps leave house when you first turn fans on

in case you missed some loose dust, i.e. top of

curtains, etc. Toxins cling to dust.

--- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> I meant 20 inch square box fans..

>

> The same size as the 20 inch furnace filters..

> The combination make a

> good, ultra cheap air cleaning device.. I

> figured this out for myself

> last year and it helped me a lot when i was

> living in mold hell,.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb--As usual, thank you for this wealth of information.

I had never thought that toxins would be dust but that is true.

Leigh

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

It doesn't cause fans to overheat? I wonder if

you can cover back with activitated charcoal

filters. I'm more afraid of toxins. I catch

mold spores in both my cold air returns have MERV

11 filter fabric covering them, so mold spores

sould be cleaned out of air before being pulled

into air handling system. Be sure house has been

dusted very well, or turning fans on could at

least temporarily airosolize everything that has

settled and make it more likely you will breath

in it before you could easily pick it up with a

dust rag like GrabIts. So before you turn on

fan, make sure house is dust free as possible and

perhaps leave house when you first turn fans on

in case you missed some loose dust, i.e. top of

curtains, etc. Toxins cling to dust.

--- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> I meant 20 inch square box fans..

>

> The same size as the 20 inch furnace filters..

> The combination make a

> good, ultra cheap air cleaning device.. I

> figured this out for myself

> last year and it helped me a lot when i was

> living in mold hell,.

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, I am not an expert, so bear that in mind, but the way I see it

is that mold particles are all different sizes. They aren't just

spores. Mold dries out and gets pulverized, and it blows around. MERV

11 does not remove the smallest particles. MERV 13 doesn't either.

They can cut it down, though. But that isn't enough to make it safe,

just enough to reduce some of the damage. You do what you can.

The most you can hope to do is reduce the amount of mold particles in

the air, but the smallest particles - the ones that go through filters

also are the most damaging ones. They are the ones that would make it

the deepest into your lungs.. But what can you do? With me, I had one

big, expensive HEPA unit and two box fans with filters.. (and no, they

didn't overheat)

Also, as points out, and its clearly important, and I suspect

he's right because it agrees with a lot of my own experience, there is

a NON-LINEAR RELATIONSHIP between toxin presence and people's

reactions to them.

Mold toxins are very strong.. nanogram quantities of them over a long

period of time do lots of damage... You can imagine how much air you

inhale in a day.. Don't you think that moist, wet lungs trap a lot of

what they respire? Much more than one of those Air-O-Cell filters that

is just designed to catch large, microscopically identifiable spores..

[Guest guest]

Live Simply, I've lost track of point you are

trying to make. I just said that perhaps blowing

things around in house isn't a good idea until it

is very well dusty, otherwise many fans blowing

will keep whatever dust is in house aerosolized

(spelling?) and not settled. It doesn't hurt you

if settled on things. You can take a grab it and

get it up so it doesn't get into air. I'm just

saying do the white glove test on window ledges

etc before creating a big breeze in house.

--- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> Okay, I am not an expert, so bear that in mind,

> but the way I see it

> is that mold

[Guest guest]

I think people have gotten sick for a long time from mold toxicity. Think about

all the older citizens who live in old homes with crawl spaces and basements.

Often they suffer pulmonary dysfunction.

darlenesb2000 <darlenesb2000@...> wrote: Bravo...this is what I

have been stating right along with doctors,

etc. I just dont understand how we can accurately figure this out,

when some professionals get negative results when they first test

somone that has been exposed to molds for a long time, and then those

are the ones that have signigiciant reactions right away. Either way

this all needs to be accmiplished with the people on both sides, and

needs the recognition that it so deserves. There are one two many

people all over the country that are very ill from this not so ancient

toxin that has goten a hold of us and just isn't letting go. I am

currently working on a project in getting this awareness out there

more so that it can be acknowledged more by all mankind, wether

professional or not. People need a clear and right down to the point

of how all of this truley can due much harm, maybe contibuting to the

cause dealth in someone...which I believe whole heartly it does.

Darlene

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Okay, I am not an expert, so bear that in mind, but the way I see it

> is that mold particles are all different sizes. They aren't just

> spores. Mold dries out and gets pulverized, and it blows around. MERV

> 11 does not remove the smallest particles. MERV 13 doesn't either.

>

> They can cut it down, though. But that isn't enough to make it safe,

> just enough to reduce some of the damage. You do what you can.

>

> The most you can hope to do is reduce the amount of mold particles in

> the air, but the smallest particles - the ones that go through filters

> also are the most damaging ones. They are the ones that would make it

> the deepest into your lungs.. But what can you do? With me, I had one

> big, expensive HEPA unit and two box fans with filters.. (and no, they

> didn't overheat)

>

> Also, as points out, and its clearly important, and I suspect

> he's right because it agrees with a lot of my own experience, there is

> a NON-LINEAR RELATIONSHIP between toxin presence and people's

> reactions to them.

>

> Mold toxins are very strong.. nanogram quantities of them over a long

> period of time do lots of damage... You can imagine how much air you

> inhale in a day.. Don't you think that moist, wet lungs trap a lot of

> what they respire? Much more than one of those Air-O-Cell filters that

> is just designed to catch large, microscopically identifiable spores..

>

[Guest guest]

depends of which subclass of ig you have tested. IgM indicates the recent

exposure whereas IgE indicates allergy and IgG indicates long term exposure.

darlenesb2000 <darlenesb2000@...> wrote: Bravo...this is what I

have been stating right along with doctors,

etc. I just dont understand how we can accurately figure this out,

when some professionals get negative results when they first test

somone that has been exposed to molds for a long time, and then those

are the ones that have signigiciant reactions right away. Either way

this all needs to be accmiplished with the people on both sides, and

needs the recognition that it so deserves. There are one two many

people all over the country that are very ill from this not so ancient

toxin that has goten a hold of us and just isn't letting go. I am

currently working on a project in getting this awareness out there

more so that it can be acknowledged more by all mankind, wether

professional or not. People need a clear and right down to the point

of how all of this truley can due much harm, maybe contibuting to the

cause dealth in someone...which I believe whole heartly it does.

Darlene

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Okay, I am not an expert, so bear that in mind, but the way I see it

> is that mold particles are all different sizes. They aren't just

> spores. Mold dries out and gets pulverized, and it blows around. MERV

> 11 does not remove the smallest particles. MERV 13 doesn't either.

>

> They can cut it down, though. But that isn't enough to make it safe,

> just enough to reduce some of the damage. You do what you can.

>

> The most you can hope to do is reduce the amount of mold particles in

> the air, but the smallest particles - the ones that go through filters

> also are the most damaging ones. They are the ones that would make it

> the deepest into your lungs.. But what can you do? With me, I had one

> big, expensive HEPA unit and two box fans with filters.. (and no, they

> didn't overheat)

>

> Also, as points out, and its clearly important, and I suspect

> he's right because it agrees with a lot of my own experience, there is

> a NON-LINEAR RELATIONSHIP between toxin presence and people's

> reactions to them.

>

> Mold toxins are very strong.. nanogram quantities of them over a long

> period of time do lots of damage... You can imagine how much air you

> inhale in a day.. Don't you think that moist, wet lungs trap a lot of

> what they respire? Much more than one of those Air-O-Cell filters that

> is just designed to catch large, microscopically identifiable spores..

>

[Guest guest]

You have to do HEPA vacumming of a space, esp. all horizontal

surfaces.. I would hope that people understood that.. I wouldn't use

filters to blow around dust.. HEPA vaccumming needs to be done esp.

after any kind of work that would stir up dust along with air

filtration.. Fans are no different than any other kind of air filter

in how they work.. HEPA air cleaning units blow air too.. I'm sure you

realize.. its the same thing.. I have 3 HEPA vaccumn cleaners ..BTW..