Re: Moldy adventures

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" Branislav " <arealis@...> wrote:

> This goes on to show that although I am more sensitive than other

people, I merely react to an existing and really problematic

contaminations. The fact that other people don't react to smaller

amounts of toxins (which can make me ill for months) does not mean

that these contaminations do not exist, or that I feel them due to my

overloaded immune system.

>

But it DOES mean that you feel them due to your overloaded immune

system, at a level which others cannot perceive.

That is why you perceive it when they cannot.

In 1987, I was standing in a line with a few hundred people when I

felt " hit " .

Virtually everyone had been telling me that mold couldn't do this to

anyone. Here was my chance to find out if I were the only one or not.

I got to a point where I couldn't stand any longer, but if I were to

suddenly sit down, it would certainly draw attention.

It was sit down or fall down, so I sat.

Yes, people noticed, and suddenly I heard a few others " That looks

like a good idea " and " I have to sit down too, I can barely stand "

and " I feel faint " . And about a dozen people out of that group sat

down too. My action had unleashed a floodgate of people who had all

been trying to hide the way the room was affecting them.

I tried to pursuade doctors to witness this " effect " and even

proposed that if they monitored this place, they might be able to

make a rough assessment of the percentage of people who were

noticeably affected by this type of exposure.

The response I got from hundreds of doctors is that there was no

need to investigate such a thing, because it was impossible.

It has been amazing to watch doctors gradually changing their views,

but they must be doing it in secret, and not in front of someone who

presents mold evidence, because one day you find that someone who

held to their insistance that " mold illness is impossible " has

suddenly become a " mold expert " and is charging to give advice upon

what he formerly charged to say was a virtual impossibility.

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[Guest guest]

> But it DOES mean that you feel them due to your overloaded immune

> system, at a level which others cannot perceive.

> That is why you perceive it when they cannot.

We cannot know if the several people who were around me felt

absolutely nothing. Perhaps some of them had some problems afterwards.

They went in different directions very quickly. Even I didn't pay too

much attention at first. I thought it was an ordinary mold hit and

that it would pass quickly. If somebody was watching me, I would also

appear to behave mostly normaly.

I think there is a much simpler explanation. My genetic makeup is such

that I can feel very small amounts of toxins. I believe that the

HLA-DR genetic test will prove this beyond any doubt. I really look

forward to doing these tests.

In a way you are right too - my immune system gets overloaded DURING

exposures. Before these exposures it was not overloaded. Let's leave

it there, I have every reason to believe that it is so. The blood

tests will say the final word.

Thanks for the information about Dr. Shoemaker. Sylgja told me to

contact him by email, but I also think that the phone call is the only

way.

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Branislav wrote:

> I think there is a much simpler explanation. My genetic makeup is such

> that I can feel very small amounts of toxins. I believe that the

> HLA-DR genetic test will prove this beyond any doubt. I really look

> forward to doing these tests.

>

> In a way you are right too - my immune system gets overloaded DURING

> exposures. Before these exposures it was not overloaded. Let's leave

> it there, I have every reason to believe that it is so. The blood

> tests will say the final word.

The HLA DR can indicate whether you have the genetic makeup for

susceptibility, but does not determine whether those genes have been

expressed by a biotoxin exposure or cytokine challenge/cascade from

ionophore toxins.

That is what the 5 step exposure assessment protocol is for.

Dr Shoemakers methods provide a medical context for an explanation

rather than a definitive simple diagnostic test.

The " final word " reads more like a textbook.

I'm assuming that " briefcase guy " wouldn't have made it far if he were

affected by what he was carrying in the same way you were.

We are like two peanut allergy sufferers who are discussing our

methods for avoiding the slightest trace of peanut residue while

surrounded by people who range from nonreactive, all the way to deathly

affected - all viewing a single " trigger " from different perspectives.

To speak of peanut butter as " toxic " wouldn't sound reasonable to

those who have no reactivity at all.

To be scared to death of getting on a plane that serves peanuts sounds

more than reasonable to someone whose very life depends on it.

And we both know that there were periods in our lives when we were far

less reactive, so this aberration is just like peanuts in that the

range of reactivity can vary from nil to annihilation.

So to my way of thinking, if the " toxin " does not elicit a consistent

response from " normies " , then I consider that the difference between

their minimal or lesser response and mine is due to " where I am " on the

Power Curve of Exposure which dictates my personal reactivity.

Carl's Personal Impact Rating is a good start for creating a basis of

communication between people of varying reactivity to the same toxin,

because it is our own reactivity that determines what " toxic " means to

us, and what actions are appropriate to someone at that PIR.

And if you've encountered a more potent toxin, or have such a

reactivity that it includes sensing contaminated insects and remains

upregulated by exposures that do not have the capacity to create the

same effect on other HLA susceptible people, we might just have to

create a " PIR seven " to describe your level of response.

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[Guest guest]

this is interesting, i have mcs and react to all chemical smells,

usually coughing and airways close up and symptoms can range from

mild to pretty bad,can last from a few hours to 3 or 4 days. but what

i'm pretty sure is a myco slam paralizes me and instantly drains my

energy. cant move,legs give out and symptoms last several weeks and

infections come back. it doesn't seem to have much to do with how i

fell before it happens. i'm sure load has something to do with it,

but also the consentration of the irratant at the time.like if i get

a hit from someone that just sprayed perfume all over them(a direct

hit) and someone who did it hours ago(a indirect hit).but i never

have a warning of a myco slam, sometimes theres a mold smell around,

sometimes not. and many times I've smelt mold and suffered a hit but

not a slam.I have suffered a myco slam from outside air but its rare.

stores usually give me a chemical hit so i aviod as much as I

can.

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In , " Branislav " <arealis@...> wrote:

>

> > But it DOES mean that you feel them due to your overloaded

immune

> > system, at a level which others cannot perceive.

> > That is why you perceive it when they cannot.

>

> We cannot know if the several people who were around me felt

> absolutely nothing. Perhaps some of them had some problems

afterwards.

> They went in different directions very quickly. Even I didn't pay

too

> much attention at first. I thought it was an ordinary mold hit and

> that it would pass quickly. If somebody was watching me, I would

also

> appear to behave mostly normaly.

>

> I think there is a much simpler explanation. My genetic makeup is

such

> that I can feel very small amounts of toxins. I believe that the

> HLA-DR genetic test will prove this beyond any doubt. I really look

> forward to doing these tests.

>

> In a way you are right too - my immune system gets overloaded DURING

> exposures. Before these exposures it was not overloaded. Let's leave

> it there, I have every reason to believe that it is so. The blood

> tests will say the final word.

>

> Thanks for the information about Dr. Shoemaker. Sylgja told me to

> contact him by email, but I also think that the phone call is the

only

> way.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure, I have never had bronchiatis. and I only cough with

chemical hits and a few other smells that I haven't deturmined could

be chemically induced or not. I do get asthma symptoms with exsertion

but my lungs suffered a little in the first home and a lot in the

second home. hard to get diagnosed when most doctors offices and

waiting rooms bring on

mcs.

> >

> > > But it DOES mean that you feel them due to your overloaded

> immune

> > > system, at a level which others cannot perceive.

> > > That is why you perceive it when they cannot.

> >

> > We cannot know if the several people who were around me felt

> > absolutely nothing. Perhaps some of them had some problems

> afterwards.

> > They went in different directions very quickly. Even I didn't pay

> too

> > much attention at first. I thought it was an ordinary mold hit and

> > that it would pass quickly. If somebody was watching me, I would

> also

> > appear to behave mostly normaly.

> >

> > I think there is a much simpler explanation. My genetic makeup is

> such

> > that I can feel very small amounts of toxins. I believe that the

> > HLA-DR genetic test will prove this beyond any doubt. I really

look

> > forward to doing these tests.

> >

> > In a way you are right too - my immune system gets overloaded

DURING

> > exposures. Before these exposures it was not overloaded. Let's

leave

> > it there, I have every reason to believe that it is so. The blood

> > tests will say the final word.

> >

> > Thanks for the information about Dr. Shoemaker. Sylgja told me to

> > contact him by email, but I also think that the phone call is the

> only

> > way.

> >

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