Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Posted August 21, 2006 " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote: > > Your briefcase incounter sounds like one i had in a shoestore, now my daughter has to buy them for me and they have to air out outside for a while first. are you sensative to formalgahide? thats what i thought it was. varely made it out of the store, stomach upset quickly followed. zapped me big time. > Branislavs description of the briefcase incident is special in that the toxicity did not die down, and he could not air out or decontaminate the materials which were exposed. Not only that, but cross contamination after that brief exposure was spread to other items with little loss of effect. If anyone has had a similar experience of cross contamination potential of toxins which do not " die down " or diminish after a few days, I'd like to hear about it. The strategy I have been relying on depends upon the toxins denaturing over time. Toxins which do not would force a reassessment of my entire situation. - Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Posted August 21, 2006 when i moved from my first moldy home to the second one i had no idea of exposure at that time and moved all my belongings to the second home. so those belongings were still affecting me in the second home but the second home was so high in counts and no dought voc's were heavy. same common toxin produceing molds found at both places, but difference in some of effects because of which molds were puting out myco's and had became the dominate mold in each home and what ever voc's were in each home. anyway, it was when i moved back into my first home with very few of my belongings from the second home (because i had been told that i could take washable items, no couches,mattress,etc.)that even after washing them, i still suffered exposure from both homes because those items were still very toxic. how many times did i wash them items? I lost track but they were things i didn't want to part with. i kept them in airtight containers forever. finally someone told me to wash them in amonia and water and it worked. weather it was tottally due to that or a prosses of repeated washings, airing out outside several times or all of it together, i can not say, but Im pretty sure that anything, given time and repated washings and airing out eventually lose there power to affect you. maybe brainslav did not keep them long enough or set them outside for days to air, but yes i believe mycotoxins and other chemicals from voc's can go very deep into plastic and wood and other items. I guessed you missed the article i posted a while back about how mycotoxins are absorbed into pvc products, thats pretty hard plastic and its pretty amaseing that it absorbs anything but it does. > > > > Your briefcase incounter sounds like one i had in a shoestore, now > my daughter has to buy them for me and they have to air out outside > for a while first. are you sensative to formalgahide? thats what i > thought it was. varely made it out of the store, stomach upset quickly > followed. zapped me big time. > > > > Branislavs description of the briefcase incident is special in that > the toxicity did not die down, and he could not air out or > decontaminate the materials which were exposed. Not only that, but > cross contamination after that brief exposure was spread to other items > with little loss of effect. > If anyone has had a similar experience of cross contamination > potential of toxins which do not " die down " or diminish after a few > days, I'd like to hear about it. > > The strategy I have been relying on depends upon the toxins denaturing > over time. Toxins which do not would force a reassessment of my entire > situation. > - > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Posted August 21, 2006 Re: Brainislav > > Your briefcase incounter sounds like one i had in a shoestore, now my > daughter has to buy them for me and they have to air out outside for a > while first. are you sensative to formalgahide? thats what i thought it > was. varely made it out of the store, stomach upset quickly followed. > zapped me big time. > No, it it's not possible that formaldehyde was the contaminant. It just doesn't fit into this picture. As said, this contamination is unique in several ways. It is durable, it is very hard to remove from objects, and it retains cross-contamination properties for a long time, transferring them to newly contaminated objects. Though, if an object is washed immediately, especially if it's non-porous, it usually doesn't become contaminated; this probably has something to do with the process of mycotoxin absorption. It is also different from ALL other contaminations I ever encountered in that it doesn't appear to be very strong at first sight. I can find dozens of objects that will initially induce much more impressive hits than these toxins, but they will die down by themselves or be very easy to decontaminate. These toxins don't do much to a person during the first 2-3 days, except some itching and stomach upset, although admittedly one feels that something is very wrong and the clothes feel sticky. But then, after a few days you realize it's MUCH worse than you first thought, and it cannot be washed. It's insidious as that. This is definitely a mixture of living mold/spores and mycotoxins. Why? Because on some objects it actually became worse as the time passed by. The contamination on the clothes I wore that day varied over time. At first it was giving me mild itching, now the itching is much stronger and can be felt from a greater distance. is probably right in that this contamination is not acutely toxic for most people. But then, most people are not so sensitive as we are. That's the main problem. If this toxin and mold had been in 100 times greater concentration, they would probably have knocked down everyone. It would be a real bilogical weapon. It's kind of ironic that we are more or less continuously hit with bilogical weapons, but since they are in relatively small concentrations almost nobody can sense what we can. So instead of being thanked for being excellent " indicators " , we are being ridiculed. It seems two things are needed to destroy it: An antifungal agent to kill mold and spores, and the mycotoxin decomosition agent to destroy the mycotoxins. P.S. Just to clarify the word " briefcase " . I originally used the word suitcase, but the correct word would be traveling bag. The guy carried a large traveling bag, the one that has wheels and is pulled or drawn with hands or with some kind of rope. That's why I got the idea he was returning from holiday in the first place. - Branislav Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Posted August 21, 2006 oh, a travel bag, i hate to think what all they absorb, could be a toxic soup mix there. > > > > Your briefcase incounter sounds like one i had in a shoestore, now my > > daughter has to buy them for me and they have to air out outside for a > > while first. are you sensative to formalgahide? thats what i thought it > > was. varely made it out of the store, stomach upset quickly followed. > > zapped me big time. > > > > > No, it it's not possible that formaldehyde was the contaminant. > It just doesn't fit into this picture. > > As said, this contamination is unique in several ways. It is > durable, it is very hard to remove from objects, and it retains > cross-contamination properties for a long time, transferring them to > newly contaminated objects. Though, if an object is washed > immediately, especially if it's non-porous, it usually doesn't > become contaminated; this probably has something to do with the > process of mycotoxin absorption. > > It is also different from ALL other contaminations I ever encountered > in that it doesn't appear to be very strong at first sight. I can find > dozens of objects that will initially induce much more impressive hits > than these toxins, but they will die down by themselves or be very > easy to decontaminate. These toxins don't do much to a person during > the first 2-3 days, except some itching and stomach upset, > although admittedly one feels that something is very wrong and the > clothes feel sticky. But then, after a few days you realize it's MUCH > worse than you first thought, and it cannot be washed. It's insidious > as that. > > This is definitely a mixture of living mold/spores and mycotoxins. > Why? Because on some objects it actually became worse as the time > passed by. The contamination on the clothes I wore that day varied > over time. At first it was giving me mild itching, now the itching is > much stronger and can be felt from a greater distance. > > > is probably right in that this contamination is not acutely toxic > for most people. But then, most people are not so sensitive as we are. > That's the main problem. If this toxin and mold had been in 100 times > greater concentration, they would probably have knocked down everyone. > It would be a real bilogical weapon. It's kind of ironic that we > are more or less continuously hit with bilogical weapons, but > since they are in relatively small concentrations almost nobody can > sense what we can. So instead of being thanked for being excellent > " indicators " , we are being ridiculed. > > > > > It seems two things are needed to destroy it: An antifungal agent to > kill mold and spores, and the mycotoxin decomosition agent to destroy > the mycotoxins. > > > P.S. Just to clarify the word " briefcase " . I originally used the > word suitcase, but the correct word would be traveling bag. The guy > carried a large traveling bag, the one that has wheels and is pulled > or drawn with hands or with some kind of rope. That's why I got the > idea he was returning from holiday in the first place. > > - Branislav > Quote
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