Re: A Rash from Milk Thistle? /Angel

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, I did not say that milk thistle killed fungus

or yeast. I was taking it hoping to detox liver,

to improve health of my liver, etc, all the

reasons they give to take it.

Here is what my email said:

" It

seems every time I take something to either kill

yeast or fungus I get

a rash. I understand that. However now it seems I

get a rash from

things I'm told to take for mycotoxins too. Croft

recommended L Cystein and

my face broke out in rash. So I stopped that for

awhile and now I

tried milk thistle and got small rash of same

'bubbly type' on inner elbow area. Does that

make sense to anyone?? Could it mean substance is

letting toxins

loose in my body, rather than dragging them out?

Perhaps my liver

just can't take anything in great quantity. "

Angel:

In a later email I added that I got the bubbly

rash from ALA, when trying to detox from high

lead levels (exposed to lead after dry sanding

some paint that turned out to have underlayers of

leaded paint- 2003), so it seems I'm reacting to

detoxing.

I'm assuming liver trouble because exception is I

got same rash to taking Tylenol, after just a

week of one at bedtime and one in middle of night

to help me sleep during a week I was having

trouble. Rash was identical, so I would say rash

is coming from my liver since Tylenol is known to

be toxic to liver. Also previous to Nystatin

fiasco I used to take Tylenol to help me sleep

like that and got no rash, so liver trouble is my

conclusion. With the Tylenol, I also got stomach

cramping, nausea, loss of appetite and other

signs of liver trouble. Rash stopped hurting the

morning after first night I did NOT take Tylenol

so it was my liver for sure. The rash looked the

same and was even in same area of rash from

Nystatin and ALA, bubbly rash around my wrists,

and forearm underskin, some on back of hands.

Rashes from things I took to detox from 'toxins'

have been different. L Cystein caused a red

blotchy rash on face that was not bubbly but may

have developed into bubbles, don't know as I

stopped it. It took several days to clear up.

The rash from milk thistle looked identical to

earlier rashes, started out with itching and no

sign of rash and then bubbling rash developed.

What I've read as 'an itch that rashes'. Itch is

first and then later rash appears. On my arms

again but this time in crook of elbow (area where

you give blood). I wondered if reaction to

giving blood but the bubbly look seems to go

along with toxic rashes but I can try a small

amount of milk thistle again after it disappears.

So my post is in agreement with your comment that

milk thistle is meant to aide liver in dumping

toxins and could be Herx reaction. However Herx

reaction is to be avoided. It desireable only to

see if an antimicrobial or antifungal is working

since toxins showing up is sign of die-off.

After you get Herx reaction showing medicine is

indeed killing microbe you are supposed to back

off because toxins exiting skin is sign liver

cannot keep up with detoxing and that is a bad

thing because these excess toxins the liver or

kidneys cannot get out fast enough can damage

organs. Every doctor, which are all practice

alternative medicine- otherwise you wouldn't even

be having conversation in the first place, say to

stop medicine until rash disappears and then

restart at lower dose, or if sign is slight, to

back down to smaller dose, because rashing is not

desireable except for that one time sign that

agent is working. However since milk thistle is

not killing any microbes, this must only be just

due to release of toxins from liver. So I'm a

little scared now. My one doctor says I'm too

sick to detox by conventional means (my cancer

was in pelvic area)and to sauna or do IV's of

minerals and vit C. I did the IV's for awhile

and was okay with them but haven't tried them

since my 'overdose' of Nystatin last summer so

not sure how I would react now.

I talked to a woman and her husband at Dallas

Clinic who read and incidentally recommended

reading " Detox or Die " and she said she was not

responding well to detox efforts and her doctor

also said she was too sick to use detoxifiers. I

guess this is concern that liver may already be

too damaged. She had become sick for mortuary

work inhaling formaldehyde. She was doing sauna

treatment. I don't know what else. I wanted to

ask her but ran out of time. Her husband said if

I read " Detox or Die " , don't start to try to

detoxify until you have finished reading the

entire book to the end. He said his wife started

to try the things recommended in book as she read

them and outcome wasn't good. He didn't

elaborate but he said you have to read the whole

thing to the end to understand how to do it

correctly for your own situation. Maybe some

cautionary things at end.

In the meantime I'm going to try the saunas.

My Y has a dry heat sauna included in my

membership.

--- LymeAngl@... wrote:

> ********I have been doing volunteer work in the

> Hepatitis communities for 10

> years and never have I ever heard of someone

> getting a rash from Milk

> Thistle....Who told you that Milk Thistle kills

> yeast or fungus? I have never

> heard of that. Milk Thistle is to help the

> liver function and process and to

> dump toxins....it releases toxins from the

> liver, it doesn't kill to my

> knowledge.....the rash could possibly be a

> herxing reaction where toxins are trying

> to leave the body, but IMHO I wouldn't call it

> an allergic reaction by any

> means....

>

> Angel Huggzz

> or Angel

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, I would stop everything now and try some benedryl.

They usually give that in the hospital when you have severe allergic

reaction. Try some zinz oxide on rash, it seems to help me. Just my

advise, I am no expert. The other

>

> > ********I have been doing volunteer work in the

> > Hepatitis communities for 10

> > years and never have I ever heard of someone

> > getting a rash from Milk

> > Thistle....Who told you that Milk Thistle kills

> > yeast or fungus? I have never

> > heard of that. Milk Thistle is to help the

> > liver function and process and to

> > dump toxins....it releases toxins from the

> > liver, it doesn't kill to my

> > knowledge.....the rash could possibly be a

> > herxing reaction where toxins are trying

> > to leave the body, but IMHO I wouldn't call it

> > an allergic reaction by any

> > means....

> >

> > Angel Huggzz

> > or Angel

>